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  1. philly's Avatar
    why is google even making android M... I mean kitkat works fine.
    06-02-2015 04:53 PM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    why is google even making android M... I mean kitkat works fine.
    lol

    via Asus Zenfone 2. Android Central Moderator.
    06-02-2015 05:01 PM
  3. travaz's Avatar
    I have a friend that has a Moto X on VZW and when I asked about upgrading to 5.1 all he had to say was what's 5.1? He feels like it's a pain tin the you know what to upgrade and is perfectly happy with his X. He is not a techie and could care less if the phone gets upgraded. He would be a caller to VZW support if he tries to upgrade. He would have issues and be on the VZW line in search of help for something anyone of us could easily take care of.

    Why did Google release M? Cause it is a marvelous, malleable, mischievous, but not misanthropic, misconstrued masterpiece.
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    06-02-2015 05:38 PM
  4. dmoss84's Avatar
    What helpful information are you looking for? This is a discussion with a lot if varying opinions. That's what a message board is meant for. When Lollipop has some solid information/dates for the Turbo you're more than welcome to create a new thread to discuss it.
    I've seen two threads now deleted that had information that I found helpful.

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    06-02-2015 05:43 PM
  5. vzwuser76's Avatar
    Attachment 179395



    You misunderstand the point and you're asking people to lower their expectations when you say something like that.

    To be honest I think a lot of us want the same experience you get with a Nexus phone or an iPhone. Namely timely working updates. Google is a big company, they can do it if they want to. People thought putting the same OS that runs the same software on a PC, a phone, a tablet could never be done. And now Microsoft is proving them wrong. People should stop trying to convince everyone to have lowered expectations.
    You call it lowering expectations, what he said is probably the reality of the situation. Just like when they hold an update back for older models until the newer one releases, which carriers have done in the past. Doing so might get a few people to upgrade to the newer model, where if they released it prior to the launch, they may just stick with their current device.

    Yes Google is a big company, but the only updates they handle is for their Nexus devices. Any non Nexus device update is handled by the OEM & carriers. The reason you don't have those issues with a non carrier Nexus or an iPhone is that they don't go through the carriers for approval, they simply push the updates to their devices. OEMS have to modify Google's update for their device for their skin. And while Motorola appears to be running a stock version of Android, there are some differences. And then there's the carrier's involvement as well. So far, Apple is the only device that carriers are hands off with in terms of updates, due to Apple leveraging their position to make it happen. That's one of the reasons why no one thought Verizon would ever get a Nexus device again, after what happened with the Galaxy Nexus. The only way you're going to get the update experience that you would with a Nexus or iPhone, is to get a Nexus or iPhone, simple as that. Some may surprise us like the Moto X has done recently, but that's the exception that proves the rule. If it's carrier branded, and not an iPhone, chances are you'll be dealing with waiting for updates.
    06-02-2015 05:53 PM
  6. Jheebs's Avatar
    June 10th people...June 10th...FINALLY!

    http://www.idigitaltimes.com/droid-t...ive-ota-446485

    Posted via the Android Central App
    06-02-2015 06:39 PM
  7. GeodudeFFP's Avatar
    You call it lowering expectations, what he said is probably the reality of the situation. Just like when they hold an update back for older models until the newer one releases, which carriers have done in the past. Doing so might get a few people to upgrade to the newer model, where if they released it prior to the launch, they may just stick with their current device.

    Yes Google is a big company, but the only updates they handle is for their Nexus devices. Any non Nexus device update is handled by the OEM & carriers. The reason you don't have those issues with a non carrier Nexus or an iPhone is that they don't go through the carriers for approval, they simply push the updates to their devices. OEMS have to modify Google's update for their device for their skin. And while Motorola appears to be running a stock version of Android, there are some differences. And then there's the carrier's involvement as well. So far, Apple is the only device that carriers are hands off with in terms of updates, due to Apple leveraging their position to make it happen. That's one of the reasons why no one thought Verizon would ever get a Nexus device again, after what happened with the Galaxy Nexus. The only way you're going to get the update experience that you would with a Nexus or iPhone, is to get a Nexus or iPhone, simple as that. Some may surprise us like the Moto X has done recently, but that's the exception that proves the rule. If it's carrier branded, and not an iPhone, chances are you'll be dealing with waiting for updates.
    That hits the nail on the head as far as Google's (i.e., Android's) problem. I'll always stick with Android (I love it), but Google should "carry a big stick" and push updates to phones and eliminate the carrier bottleneck, just as Microsoft does for PC's. Yeah, yeah, I know...many issues there...but it COULD be done if they forced it.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    06-02-2015 06:49 PM
  8. maxman1's Avatar
    You call it lowering expectations, what he said is probably the reality of the situation. Just like when they hold an update back for older models until the newer one releases, which carriers have done in the past. Doing so might get a few people to upgrade to the newer model, where if they released it prior to the launch, they may just stick with their current device.

    Yes Google is a big company, but the only updates they handle is for their Nexus devices. Any non Nexus device update is handled by the OEM & carriers. The reason you don't have those issues with a non carrier Nexus or an iPhone is that they don't go through the carriers for approval, they simply push the updates to their devices. OEMS have to modify Google's update for their device for their skin. And while Motorola appears to be running a stock version of Android, there are some differences. And then there's the carrier's involvement as well. So far, Apple is the only device that carriers are hands off with in terms of updates, due to Apple leveraging their position to make it happen. That's one of the reasons why no one thought Verizon would ever get a Nexus device again, after what happened with the Galaxy Nexus. The only way you're going to get the update experience that you would with a Nexus or iPhone, is to get a Nexus or iPhone, simple as that. Some may surprise us like the Moto X has done recently, but that's the exception that proves the rule. If it's carrier branded, and not an iPhone, chances are you'll be dealing with waiting for updates.
    I might add that the frequency of the Apple updates is not necessarily something to look upon as a paradigm. My wife's first smart phone was an iPhone and like many others, she's reluctant to change since she fears "having to learn a completely different phone" - she presently has the 6 Plus. Many of Apple's "upgrades" are thinly veiled bug fixes and I can tell you first hand they have every bit the foibles of Android & even the current OS release has bugs that defy explanation. Apple NEVER admits a shortcoming or mistake, nor do they definitively detail what's included in most of their "upgrades" - with good reason I might add.
    06-02-2015 06:57 PM
  9. deesugar's Avatar
    You call it lowering expectations, what he said is probably the reality of the situation.
    No I'm saying the situation needs to change. People like him are lowering expectations by acquiescing. Billion dollar companies don't need help with excuses to do nothing from people like that. Guess which stance is more likely to make a company like Google change for the better?
    06-02-2015 06:59 PM
  10. travaz's Avatar
    June 10th people...June 10th...FINALLY!

    Droid Turbo Android 5.1 Lollipop Update Release Date Confirmed: Device Will Receive OTA Rollout On June 10



    I hope this is true but it is a tweet from a writer on Android Police, Would like to see some info on where he got the info. Hoping but not getting too excited yet.
    Posted via the Android Central App
    06-02-2015 08:08 PM
  11. TurboHope's Avatar
    So lollipop runtime is ART, and the standard setting on our phones is Dalvik. Just wondering if any of you have already gone in developer options and switched to ART, if so what's your take??

    Posted via the Android Central App
    06-02-2015 09:27 PM
  12. deesugar's Avatar
    So lollipop runtime is ART, and the standard setting on our phones is Dalvik. Just wondering if any of you have already gone in developer options and switched to ART, if so what's your take??

    Posted via the Android Central App
    It has one of the annoying bugs included in the current version of KitKat on the Droid:

    http://forums.androidcentral.com/mot...ml#post4029002
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    06-02-2015 09:35 PM
  13. vzwuser76's Avatar
    No I'm saying the situation needs to change. People like him are lowering expectations by acquiescing. Billion dollar companies don't need help with excuses to do nothing from people like that. Guess which stance is more likely to make a company like Google change for the better?
    So we should try to effect change in the mobile companies for the better. There seriously aren't any better places to put that energy, or any better causes to support? These are phones, you're making it sound like we're trying to end companies polluting the environment or human trafficking. If my phones works, I'm good. If you want to put your energy into making them change, more power to you. But that doesn't mean everyone has to do as you do. You're making this sound more important than it is, nothing or no one is going to be hurt if they don't push an update. It's a phone.

    If you seriously can't deal with it, my advice is to find a company who will fulfill your needs and give them your business. In doing so you'll also force the company you left to reevaluate their business. These companies may listen to their customers, but money speaks louder than words, or in other words, vote with your wallet.
    06-02-2015 09:50 PM
  14. deesugar's Avatar
    So we should try to effect change in the mobile companies for the better.
    I don't see anything wrong with that since we pay a lot of money for premium phones like the Droid and monthly fees to Verizon. Add all that money up over a year and see how you feel.


    There seriously aren't any better places to put that energy, or any better causes to support?
    That's always true but this is an Android forum, so...


    These are phones, you're making it sound like we're trying to end companies polluting the environment or human trafficking.
    Am I really making it sound like that or am I just being a vocal consumer?


    But that doesn't mean everyone has to do as you do.
    They don't but it sure would be awesome if I had that power!
    I think people understand they have free will, at least I hope they do


    You're making this sound more important than it is, nothing or no one is going to be hurt if they don't push an update. It's a phone.
    For someone who claims to find updates very unimportant why do you care so much and are so vocal on a thread about updates?!?


    If you seriously can't deal with it, my advice is to find a company who will fulfill your needs and give them your business. In doing so you'll also force the company you left to reevaluate their business. These companies may listen to their customers, but money speaks louder than words, or in other words, vote with your wallet.
    Sometimes that works but it's more effective when large groups let companies know their displeasure. In fact usually to be effective it helps to let a company know as a group your displeasure before you take your money elsewhere.
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    06-02-2015 10:10 PM
  15. TechCaptain's Avatar
    So lollipop runtime is ART, and the standard setting on our phones is Dalvik. Just wondering if any of you have already gone in developer options and switched to ART, if so what's your take??

    Posted via the Android Central App
    I did on my Maxx and there are some noticeable improvements and speed ups.

    Sent from my (still relevant) Droid Maxx
    TurboHope likes this.
    06-02-2015 10:33 PM
  16. Ry's Avatar
    iOS updates and Android updates are really apples to oranges.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    06-02-2015 10:40 PM
  17. tdizzel's Avatar
    I don't see anything wrong with that since we pay a lot of money for premium phones like the Droid and monthly fees to Verizon. Add all that money up over a year and see how you feel.
    I feel like I have an incredible phone that does everything I want other than making me a sandwich. And it does everything I want on Kit Kat, so I could care less about Lollipop. I'm kinda dreading getting an update because I'm about 98% certain that it will break something that I am currently enjoying.
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    06-02-2015 10:45 PM
  18. KPMcClave's Avatar
    I did on my Maxx and there are some noticeable improvements and speed ups.

    Sent from my (still relevant) Droid Maxx
    I noitced the same with ART when I had my Maxx. Which makes it more perplexing that it doesn't work right on the Turbo.
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    06-02-2015 10:49 PM
  19. deesugar's Avatar
    I'm kinda dreading getting an update because I'm about 98% certain that it will break something that I am currently enjoying.
    If you're 98% sure 5.1 is going to break something you should read up on it first to make sure. But it's a 100% sure things will eventually break staying on KitKat as the devs use API's in the newer OS versions.
    06-02-2015 10:54 PM
  20. maxman1's Avatar
    iOS updates and Android updates are really apples to oranges.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    Understated & very true. What's I find astounding is that dealing with one operating system on only a single brand of phone is they routinely push out flawed updates with alarming frequency. As example, unless recently patched, there is a serious exploit in Messaging that renders the app useless by someone sending a text containing a specific character string. I won't post the string for obvious reasons but it's available on Twitter & some websites or at least, was. FWIW, I learned of it from a victim. If this were Android I suspect it would be front page news.
    06-02-2015 11:02 PM
  21. Eclipse2K's Avatar
    Understated & very true. What's I find astounding is that dealing with one operating system on only a single brand of phone is they routinely push out flawed updates with alarming frequency. As example, unless recently patched, there is a serious exploit in Messaging that renders the app useless by someone sending a text containing a specific character string. I won't post the string for obvious reasons but it's available on Twitter & some websites or at least, was. FWIW, I learned of it from a victim. If this were Android I suspect it would be front page news.
    Most likely. I too won't go spreading that combination but its ridiculous that it exists. Apple really messed up there and I'll call them out on it. I assure you I'd call out Google if this happened on Android too. Talk about a "game breaking" glitch of sorts, huh?
    06-02-2015 11:12 PM
  22. Ry's Avatar
    If you're 98% sure 5.1 is going to break something you should read up on it first to make sure. But it's a 100% sure things will eventually break staying on KitKat as the devs use API's in the newer OS versions.
    Motorola could make changes to how AOSP handles certain features.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
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    06-02-2015 11:26 PM
  23. vzwuser76's Avatar
    I don't see anything wrong with that since we pay a lot of money for premium phones like the Droid and monthly fees to Verizon. Add all that money up over a year and see how you feel.



    That's always true but this is an Android forum, so...



    Am I really making it sound like that or am I just being a vocal consumer?



    They don't but it sure would be awesome if I had that power!
    I think people understand they have free will, at least I hope they do



    For someone who claims to find updates very unimportant why do you care so much and are so vocal on a thread about updates?!?



    Sometimes that works but it's more effective when large groups let companies know their displeasure. In fact usually to be effective it helps to let a company know as a group your displeasure before you take your money elsewhere.
    Again, if you're unhappy with what they're doing, go with another OS, or at the very least, another Android OEM. Everyone is saying how great all the other OEMS are doing with updating to LP. The truth of the matter is, the only phone that has been affected by this is the Turbo. All of the other Motorola phones (current models and some of last years) are on LP, so it's doubtful this problem rests with Motorola. And since it's close internally to the Nexus 6, there shouldn't be any reason that Motorola would have issues updating the Turbo. So the only one left is Verizon, they have the final say on updates going out, and so far Motorola is the only one of the two even talking about the update, Verizon is quiet as per usual.

    The point about trying to change the company was, as I and others have said many times before on here, that saying it here won't make a bit of difference. There's nothing anyone on here can do to effect the change you want. As far as me saying you're making it sound worse than it is, is your Turbo unusable? If not, then use it. If it is, then contact Verizon or Motorola and see if they can make a fix. And if they can't fix it, they should get you into another device that will work for you. Again, they're the only ones who can resolve the situation for you. I've had phones that were crap in the past, and I first tried to see if there was a fix on the forums. Failing that, I contacted Verizon and kept on them until the situation was resolved.

    The reason I "care" so much is that, this thread would be nowhere near the size it is if it weren't for the back and forth on who's to blame, are we even going to get updates, etc. In reality this thread has passed it's usefulness. If anyone wanted to find actual information on the update, they'd have to wade through now 34 pages of arguing to find it. For the actual information we actually have on the update, this thread should be about 1 page long.

    That very well may he true, but the problem is not everyone has the issues others do with the Turbo. In actuality, I can't think of one of the issues that people have started threads about that I'm having an issue with. So how can I voice my displeasure about it when I don't have any? If what you're looking to do is to get a group together and contact Verizon/Motorola, then why not have a separate thread with that specific goal? That would draw only the people who actually have issues and want to let VZW & Moto know about their problems. And if there are people looking for that kind of thing, how will they find it buried in this thread dedicated for news about the LP update?
    06-03-2015 03:24 AM
  24. vzwuser76's Avatar
    I noitced the same with ART when I had my Maxx. Which makes it more perplexing that it doesn't work right on the Turbo.
    See, and that's weird because I also switched over to ART on my Maxx, and I didn't notice any difference speed or efficiency at all. I was told that it was because KK was still made to run Dalvik, but once you had ART on LP, which it was designed to run on, that that is where the difference would be noticeable.
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    06-03-2015 03:27 AM
  25. 88horizon5speed's Avatar
    Yea buddy! Checked the news and it sounds official, 5.1 will start OTA rollout for us on June 10!
    06-03-2015 05:29 AM
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