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  1. mjhubbard's Avatar
    So does using data and voice at the same time with two radios burning, 6 of one half dozen of the other....

    That is a huge difference maker for me...I dont care about the advanced functionality, but what I do care about is data and voice at the same time. I do live in a good 4g area, so if I can make a call to a landline using VoLTE on my end, so I can keep using data, that is good enough for me.
    11-07-2014 09:00 AM
  2. Almeuit's Avatar
    So does using data and voice at the same time with two radios burning, 6 of one half dozen of the other....

    That is a huge difference maker for me...I dont care about the advanced functionality, but what I do care about is data and voice at the same time. I do live in a good 4g area, so if I can make a call to a landline using VoLTE on my end, so I can keep using data, that is good enough for me.
    You won't be able to call a landline and have VoLTE -- You must be calling another Verizon customer on a Verizon VoLTE capable phone, in a VoLTE area, and you as well be in a VoLTE area. This can be found on their VoLTE announcement (VoLTE - Verizon Wireless) where they state "For a customer to make or receive a VoLTE call, both parties must have VoLTE-enabled devices and be in an area where VoLTE is available. ".
    11-07-2014 10:56 AM
  3. doogald's Avatar
    You won't be able to call a landline and have VoLTE -- You must be calling another Verizon customer on a Verizon VoLTE capable phone, in a VoLTE area, and you as well be in a VoLTE area. This can be found on their VoLTE announcement (VoLTE - Verizon Wireless) where they state "For a customer to make or receive a VoLTE call, both parties must have VoLTE-enabled devices and be in an area where VoLTE is available. ".
    I think that's only for the VoLTE features like HD Voice and video calling. I still think that when you turn on the feature on your account, all calls are sent VoLTE when you make them in an LTE area. I know that people on the Maxx boards were complaining about dropped calls when they were driving and they were not making calls to other VoLTE customers.

    Well, I found one post: http://forums.androidcentral.com/mot...ml#post3975311

    Same thread, also see this post: http://forums.androidcentral.com/mot...ml#post4005692
    11-07-2014 11:26 AM
  4. Almeuit's Avatar
    I think that's only for the VoLTE features like HD Voice and video calling. I still think that when you turn on the feature on your account, all calls are sent VoLTE when you make them in an LTE area. I know that people on the Maxx boards were complaining about dropped calls when they were driving and they were not making calls to other VoLTE customers.

    Well, I found one post: http://forums.androidcentral.com/mot...ml#post3975311

    Same thread, also see this post: http://forums.androidcentral.com/mot...ml#post4005692
    I don't think so. It plainly says to make a VoLTE call you need .. X , X and X. Not to make an HD call.
    11-07-2014 01:10 PM
  5. Coronado is dead's Avatar
    I don't think so. It plainly says to make a VoLTE call you need .. X , X and X. Not to make an HD call.
    I've seen a lot of recent stuff saying that the Volte was to anyone, but will drop if lost. HD voice requires both people on voLTE though. The deal VZW and ATT just signed was for HD voice only, not for voLTE connections.

    I think the article linked previously is just poorly/wrongly worded.

    It would be like saying you could only use google voice to call non-landline phones.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    11-07-2014 01:20 PM
  6. Almeuit's Avatar
    I've seen a lot of recent stuff saying that the Volte was to anyone, but will drop if lost. HD voice requires both people on voLTE though. The deal VZW and ATT just signed was for HD voice only, not for voLTE connections.

    I think the article linked previously is just poorly/wrongly worded.

    It would be like saying you could only use google voice to call non-landline phones.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    That isn't like saying that -- since not every carrier is the same. Just like VoLTE on Verizon .. as you said .. if you lose LTE you drop the call. On T-Mobile if I lose LTE it drops to HSPA without a hiccup... So carriers can be different.

    I just find it to be black and white and right off Verizon's website (not an article that someone wrote where they could have said it wrong) -- But it is possible it is out of date as well. To me though it is pretty straight forward and simply states VoLTE and nothing about HD voice.
    11-07-2014 01:37 PM
  7. Almeuit's Avatar
    To add more research to this topic..

    HD Voice and Video Calling Coming Soon to Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Network

    As stated here they say..... "HD Voice and Video Calling work only when both people are in the Verizon 4G LTE coverage area and are using VoLTE-enabled smartphones from Verizon. The calling experience customers know today remains the same if one Verizon customer uses a VoLTE-enabled phone and the other doesn’t, or if a customer with a Verizon smartphone calls a customer of another carrier or a landline phone. "

    So that sounds like if you have a VoLTE device and call someone who doesn't have it (another carrier / landline) it will use the standard everyone knows today (CDMA -- Not VoLTE).
    11-07-2014 01:50 PM
  8. Clocks's Avatar
    To add more research to this topic..

    HD Voice and Video Calling Coming Soon to Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Network

    As stated here they say..... "HD Voice and Video Calling work only when both people are in the Verizon 4G LTE coverage area and are using VoLTE-enabled smartphones from Verizon. The calling experience customers know today remains the same if one Verizon customer uses a VoLTE-enabled phone and the other doesn’t, or if a customer with a Verizon smartphone calls a customer of another carrier or a landline phone. "

    So that sounds like if you have a VoLTE device and call someone who doesn't have it (another carrier / landline) it will use the standard everyone knows today (CDMA -- Not VoLTE).
    That's not what that quote sounds like to me given the context. But you seem pretty convinced so let's just wait for it to be released.
    11-07-2014 01:53 PM
  9. doogald's Avatar
    Verizon has a faq for advanced calling that is also as clear as mud on this.

    http://forums.androidcentral.com/e?l...token=7vlHvNRO

    But it does say:

    No, calls won t switch between 3G and 4G LTE networks. If your call starts on the 3G network and you move to a 4G LTE coverage area, your call will continue as a 3G/CDMA call. However, if your call starts on the 4G LTE network and you move to a non-4G coverage area, your call will drop.
    This suggests to me that all calls made in lte areas are made using volte when you have the option set on your account and on the phone, and matches the anecdotal evidence I quoted above from the Droid Maxx forum thread. One person turned off cdma and placed a call, and it worked (this couldn't happen before advanced calling in the US) and another person reported that calls he made from lte areas were dropping, and he also reported that this happened for all of the people he used to call before. Since advanced calling is only working with a few phones right now, I think that calls are being carried using VoLTE and verizon is trunking from there to the wireless or public network. That also explains the people in that thread reporting poor audio performance when they have advanced calling turned on when not using hd voice, which returned to normal when they turned volte off on the phone.

    I also recall somebody reporting that once you turn on VoLTE, all calls from lte served areas are connected that way, and not just calls to other advanced calling users. It's hard for me to check on my maxx, because that phone has the antennas to support voice and data on lte, and because I live in a place that gets only 3G.

    The faq for advanced voice on the iPhone 6 also suggests that all calls are over lte. It says:

    Besides HD Voice, Advanced Calling 1.0 provides Apple iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus customers with simultaneous voice and data capability. When connected to the Verizon 4G LTE network, you can surf the web, continue a download, use an application, or use a feature like Mobile Hotspot while talking on a call.

    If you re not connected to the Verizon 4G LTE network, you can talk on a call and simultaneously browse the web or run other data applications only when connected to a Wi-Fi network.
    So, again, I wish that Verizon were more clear about this, but it suggests that all calls are routed over LTE when you have it turned on, not just calls that use the special features (hd voice, video, 6 way conference).
    11-07-2014 01:57 PM
  10. Robisan's Avatar
    Besides HD Voice, Advanced Calling 1.0 provides Apple iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus customers with simultaneous voice and data capability. When connected to the Verizon 4G LTE network, you can surf the web, continue a download, use an application, or use a feature like Mobile Hotspot while talking on a call.
    Note what the end of that last sentence does not say -- "only if you're calling another VoLTE device." It simply says if you're connected to Verizon 4G LTE you will have data features "...while talking on a call." Period. No qualification. I take that to mean any call.
    11-07-2014 05:42 PM
  11. copywrite's Avatar
    I think it is pretty clear and fairly easy to understand. VoLTE is how the call is routed, as in if you have an LTE connection your call will be routed using it, thus you will have simultaneous voice/data. When the person you are calling also has VoLTE and is using it for his/her call, you will have HD voice and the other options available. I can't be the only person who noticed the much cleaner and better sounding "ringtone" when placing a call with VoLTE enabled and being used. This is no matter who you are calling. It can't be predetermined if you will have HD voice before you make the call. If the other person has it as well, when it connects you will have the HD voice and video calling options.

    If you are worried about calls dropping, turn VoLTE off and continue with your phone as you had in the past.
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    11-07-2014 06:11 PM
  12. Almeuit's Avatar
    I think it is pretty clear and fairly easy to understand. VoLTE is how the call is routed, as in if you have an LTE connection your call will be routed using it, thus you will have simultaneous voice/data. When the person you are calling also has VoLTE and is using it for his/her call, you will have HD voice and the other options available. I can't be the only person who noticed the much cleaner and better sounding "ringtone" when placing a call with VoLTE enabled and being used. This is no matter who you are calling. It can't be predetermined if you will have HD voice before you make the call. If the other person has it as well, when it connects you will have the HD voice and video calling options.

    If you are worried about calls dropping, turn VoLTE off and continue with your phone as you had in the past.
    Oh yeah HD voice is 100% noticeable. I have been enjoying it for awhile now on T-Mobile to T-Mobile. I haven't been able to try Verizon's but I am sure it sounds just as clear. You're not the only one who noticed at all ^_^.
    11-07-2014 06:31 PM
  13. copywrite's Avatar
    Oh yeah HD voice is 100% noticeable. I have been enjoying it for awhile now on T-Mobile to T-Mobile. I haven't been able to try Verizon's but I am sure it sounds just as clear. You're not the only one who noticed at all ^_^.
    I'm sure it is very noticeable, but I have not had an HD voice call. What I was stating is that the sound of the ring when you place a call sounds much cleaner, like you are on a land line. This is for EVERY call if you are on LTE and using VoLTE, even if you are calling someone who is not, and thus you are not using HD voice. This is because your "half" of the call is using a higher bit rate to be sent and delivered to the Verizon system. If the other caller is on HD voice their transmission will be sent with the higher bit rate as well, completing the HD voice call.
    11-07-2014 06:38 PM
  14. stevexyz's Avatar
    Based on testing my wife's iPhone 6 on Verizon with Advanced Calling enabled, I can confirm that if you select LTE for voice calls, it uses VoLTE for all voice calls when you have LTE service, regardless of whether you're calling land line, other Verizon phone, or some other carrier's mobile. During a VoLTE call you can use simultaneous data, and during regular CDMA call you cannot (unless you're on wifi of course). Obviously for HD voice to work you'd need to be calling another HD voice capable phone.
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    11-07-2014 11:33 PM
  15. Almeuit's Avatar
    I'm sure it is very noticeable, but I have not had an HD voice call. What I was stating is that the sound of the ring when you place a call sounds much cleaner, like you are on a land line. This is for EVERY call if you are on LTE and using VoLTE, even if you are calling someone who is not, and thus you are not using HD voice. This is because your "half" of the call is using a higher bit rate to be sent and delivered to the Verizon system. If the other caller is on HD voice their transmission will be sent with the higher bit rate as well, completing the HD voice call.
    Oh I guess. I didn't pay attention to it when calling using my VoLTE .
    11-08-2014 02:33 AM
  16. mjhubbard's Avatar
    Based on testing my wife's iPhone 6 on Verizon with Advanced Calling enabled, I can confirm that if you select LTE for voice calls, it uses VoLTE for all voice calls when you have LTE service, regardless of whether you're calling land line, other Verizon phone, or some other carrier's mobile. During a VoLTE call you can use simultaneous data, and during regular CDMA call you cannot (unless you're on wifi of course). Obviously for HD voice to work you'd need to be calling another HD voice capable phone.
    I went tobthree stores and called corporate. This was their understanding as well (mostly, one guy was not sure). Verizon clearly has not even communicated this well to its own people.

    This would at least keep the status quo. Before LTE we could not have voice and data at the same time anyways so as long as I keep this in an LTE area I am set.
    11-08-2014 07:47 AM
  17. Premium1's Avatar
    So, smashed the screen on my Maxx last week (I know, right, great timing...) and my small business plan has an upgrade or two available so was thinking of getting the turbo instead of wasting $100 on a warranty replacement.

    However, a huge use case for me is voice and data at the same time. Ill often call into a conference call on a 1-800 number, and then tether or view slides off the phone itself.

    Everyone keeps saying that this will be fixed with the VoLTE feature, and I live in a good 4G area, so no big deal right...except reading between the lines, it looks as if that will only work if you are calling another verizon cell with VoLTE, maybe also ATT next year. But landlines, 1800 numbers and normal cells would be out.....

    So, even with VoLTE, I only get voice and data IF i am calling another cell phone, that also happens to have VoLTE, and also happens to be verizon....

    That is a lot of caveats to the point where I can see it being next to useless for at least another year, just like 4G was next to useless on the galaxy nexus due to battery life. Nice to talk about, but does not mean much.

    Am I missing something here? Sounds like a huge gap that none of the reviews seem to mention. All they say is it will be fixed with an update...well, no, not really, only partially.
    You are thinking of something else. Voice and data will work for you regardless who you are calling. VoLTE calls will only work if the other person also is on VoLTE. It is also being called HD voice which the VoLTE will offer improved voice quality. Once you get the update, you will be able to "talk and surf" at the same time.
    11-08-2014 01:07 PM
  18. ckelly33's Avatar
    You are thinking of something else. Voice and data will work for you regardless who you are calling. VoLTE calls will only work if the other person also is on VoLTE. It is also being called HD voice which the VoLTE will offer improved voice quality. Once you get the update, you will be able to "talk and surf" at the same time.
    I hope you are right. Otherwise what advantage is there to volte? And why would I want it?

    I need to figure out whether or not having full functionality of the Turbo like I had on previous cell phones (ability to talk and surf simultaneously) is only going to happen when talking with someone on another volte phone. Who wants a feature dependent on everyone else upgrading their phone??

    Sent from my SM-P600 using Tapatalk
    11-08-2014 02:19 PM
  19. Premium1's Avatar
    I hope you are right. Otherwise what advantage is there to volte? And why would I want it?

    I need to figure out whether or not having full functionality of the Turbo like I had on previous cell phones (ability to talk and surf simultaneously) is only going to happen when talking with someone on another volte phone. Who wants a feature dependent on everyone else upgrading their phone??

    Sent from my SM-P600 using Tapatalk
    Well VoLTE is the future, just like LTE was over 3G. In a few years it will be all that, with very little to no "old 3G" tech.


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    11-08-2014 02:21 PM
  20. ckelly33's Avatar
    Well VoLTE is the future, just like LTE was over 3G. In a few years it will be all that, with very little to no "old 3G" tech.
    I understand your point comparing to the 3G->4G transition however, I was speaking to the descriptions of having to match up caller and sender BOTH with VoLTE for some functions to work. If that's true then this is going to be a much longer transition that 3G->4G.

    I'm just not sure why I would want a phone that would be crippled in this regard pretty much for the lifetime of the phone (waiting for everyone else to get VoLTE phones so I can resume the talk+surf that my older phone will do now).
    11-08-2014 04:03 PM
  21. stevexyz's Avatar
    I understand your point comparing to the 3G->4G transition however, I was speaking to the descriptions of having to match up caller and sender BOTH with VoLTE for some functions to work. If that's true then this is going to be a much longer transition that 3G->4G.

    I'm just not sure why I would want a phone that would be crippled in this regard pretty much for the lifetime of the phone (waiting for everyone else to get VoLTE phones so I can resume the talk+surf that my older phone will do now).
    This isn't how it works. VoLTE is about how the call is transported from your phone to Verizon. It doesn't matter who you're calling: if you've enabled Advanced Calling on your Verizon account and VoLTE on your phone and you're in LTE service area then you'll get VoLTE and be able to call and use data simultaneously.

    The thing that depends on who you're calling is HD Voice. That uses a higher quality audio codec end to end so requires the other end of the call to support it.
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    11-08-2014 04:12 PM
  22. ckelly33's Avatar
    This isn't how it works. VoLTE is about how the call is transported from your phone to Verizon. It doesn't matter who you're calling: if you've enabled Advanced Calling on your Verizon account and VoLTE on your phone and you're in LTE service area then you'll get VoLTE and be able to call and use data simultaneously.

    The thing that depends on who you're calling is HD Voice. That uses a higher quality audio codec end to end so requires the other end of the call to support it.
    THAT makes sense. I guess I misunderstood. Thanks
    11-08-2014 04:13 PM
  23. StandWithAZ's Avatar
    Using Waze to find an appointment location and then a call from a boss or co-worker (or spouse, or child) comes in -- with the the Turbo it WON'T come in. That is an every day scenario for millions of people. A VERY big deal.
    11-08-2014 04:35 PM
  24. kjjb0204's Avatar
    Using Waze to find an appointment location and then a call from a boss or co-worker (or spouse, or child) comes in -- with the the Turbo it WON'T come in. That is an every day scenario for millions of people. A VERY big deal.
    Voice takes precedence. The data for mapping will stop while on the call.

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    11-08-2014 04:43 PM
  25. jesta192's Avatar
    Voice takes precedence. The data for mapping will stop while on the call.

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    This is how it worked on Sprint years ago also.
    11-08-2014 05:21 PM
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