02-04-2015 02:51 PM
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  1. MA2GA28's Avatar
    Considering this is the first time it happened, I am quite careful with my phone, don't download shoddy apps, and have not downloaded a new app in well over a month, I can only assume it was the site link with a suspect pop-up.
    01-29-2015 08:11 AM
  2. MA2GA28's Avatar
    Also, ran a check with Lookout after and it found nothing. So, had to have been a scamware pop-up (didn't have any other browser window open).
    01-29-2015 08:39 AM
  3. Eli_C's Avatar
    Hey... someone should do this and call it... Ultra pixels...or something...😏
    The problem HTC had is that they did not use enough pixels. "Ultrapixels" would be GREAT if they used 8-12MP, and not 4
    01-29-2015 08:43 AM
  4. quantum tao's Avatar
    or maybe moto could just buy the camera stuff from nokia
    01-29-2015 09:28 AM
  5. Eli_C's Avatar
    or maybe moto could just buy the camera stuff from nokia
    Nokia's solution is slow and takes forever to capture and process a picture and be ready for the next.
    01-29-2015 10:45 AM
  6. MA2GA28's Avatar
    I think the true camera problem is user expectations. Some feel that if the phone camera isn't the best point-and-shoot ever made then the camera is a massive disappointment.

    In the end, this is a smartphone with a camera. If it takes pretty good pics most of the time, I am happy. From what I've see, it is on par with the majority of phone cameras out there, so I don't understand the uproar.

    If you want perfect pictures, go lug around an $800 DSLR. Otherwise, be happy with the convenience of a phone camera, knowing some situations will be less than ideal to capture. Or, better yet, buy the phone you think is better if it is that important to you.
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    01-29-2015 11:05 AM
  7. jamielov's Avatar
    I think the true camera problem is user expectations. Some feel that if the phone camera isn't the best point-and-shoot ever made then the camera is a massive disappointment.

    In the end, this is a smartphone with a camera. If it takes pretty good pics most of the time, I am happy. From what I've see, it is on par with the majority of phone cameras out there, so I don't understand the uproar.

    If you want perfect pictures, go lug around an $800 DSLR. Otherwise, be happy with the convenience of a phone camera, knowing some situations will be less than ideal to capture. Or, better yet, buy the phone you think is better if it is that important to you.
    Please stop. User expectations are not the problem. Crap photos and a step backwards in camera quality from past moto phones, this one marketed as a flagship phone. That's the problem. Oh, you don't like your cars performance....buy a Mercedes, right?
    01-29-2015 11:11 AM
  8. wolf_walker's Avatar
    No idea. I've been using them to post pics to forums for six months or so, nobody has had a problem. Whatever it is it's specific to your device or net connection. And they were mostly to PC hardware sites so someone would have had a fit by now. I wouldn't do any banking or such on that device till I figured it out if I were you.

    https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/bf...is/1422550439/

    Re: expectations.
    They are funny things. They don't spring out of nothingness, they are set either by being given to a person (advertising, reviews or word of mouth in this case), or they are set by a thought process related to the product. Quick logic says the phone is an UP grade, it's faster, has a better screen, etc, etc, etc, it isn't illogical to assume it has an UPgraded camera VS previous/other like-use devices. And the reviews and Moto themselves talked up the camera quite a lot. I'm a little disappointed, but I expect the worst from people/things so it minimizes my ability to be so
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    Take my Nexus 7.2 in contrast, I didn't expect it to have a good camera (and it does not), so no surprise/disappointment at all there. It's a tablet, most of the cameras suck, reviews said it sucked, users said it sucked, sure enough, it sucks. No issue. Camera quality was not part of my purchase decision.
    Expectations in a way by their very nature can't be unreasonable unless they are based on logical fallacy or incorrect data, or just plain pulled out of the realm of "wishful thinking" which is a human trait. I don't see any of that happening with people complaining about the DT camera myself. It's just sort of a so-so cell phone camera. I think in another five years or so we'll see some really good cell phone PnS cameras. In the meantime one can buy a PnS that is 3/4 the size of a cell for about half the price or less and have a much superior experience. A good thought exercise and method to limit expectations via logic, is to look at said PnS, it's price, it's size, it's weight and compare it to the same that is devoted to the camera function in an average cell phone. One can approximate the expected result that way. It's a bit of left field tech logic granted and I don't blame an average Joe or Jane for not thinking about it that way, but it's valid.
    01-29-2015 12:07 PM
  9. MA2GA28's Avatar
    Please stop. User expectations are not the problem. Crap photos and a step backwards in camera quality from past moto phones, this one marketed as a flagship phone. That's the problem. Oh, you don't like your cars performance....buy a Mercedes, right?
    If it isn't expectations, why are some happy/satisfied and some not? If EVERYONE said the camera is crud then I'd agree with you. But they don't, so I can't.

    I had an original Droid RAZR Maxx, and I can tell you hands down the Turbo camera is much better in terms of capturing a quality picture in all situations. So, that wouldn't seem to support your theory that this camera is awful compared to past Moto cameras either. If that is your opinion, fine, but that also supports the expectations aspect of the argument.

    And your 'buy a Mercedes' point is valid but not in the way you intended. We aren't talking about the camera on a $30 dumb phone compared to high end devices. We are talking about the camera on a high end device vs other high end devices. So, yes, if you aren't happy with the performance of this camera (BMW), go buy another (Mercedes). Simple as that.
    01-29-2015 01:25 PM
  10. wolf_walker's Avatar
    Many people can't simply go buy another phone, they are prohibitively expensive for most folks to buy outright and carrier subsidizing locks one into a contract. There are lots of in's and out's about it but it's not as simple as putting it in a drawer and picking up another one for a large number of people. This is one of the reasons folks get so bent out of shape about stuff not working as well or how they'd like to. Suggesting they do so isn't productive.

    Reports suggest, easily cited via google, that Motorola has had notoriously iffy cameras on smartphones. I could completely believe the DT camera is better than the Droid RAZR Maxx without testing the older phone for myself in light of such reports. I can say from personal experience that it is at best a side-grade from the camera on my somewhat dated Galaxy S4. Better in some areas, worse in others. I could see how someone would be very bothered by that, I like to understand the why and how but I have a more c'est la vie attitude about it since it's not a key feature to me.
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    01-29-2015 03:47 PM
  11. quantum tao's Avatar
    Nokia's solution is slow and takes forever to capture and process a picture and be ready for the next.
    nokia pureview camera is awesome and their software is top notch. the camera in my nokia icon blows the turbo camera away.
    so now when i'm with my daughter i have her take the pics with her ICON, while i put up with her snide remarks about my turbo.
    01-29-2015 04:06 PM
  12. idrum4theking's Avatar
    Great info here.
    01-29-2015 06:48 PM
  13. MA2GA28's Avatar
    Many people can't simply go buy another phone, they are prohibitively expensive for most folks to buy outright and carrier subsidizing locks one into a contract. There are lots of in's and out's about it but it's not as simple as putting it in a drawer and picking up another one for a large number of people. This is one of the reasons folks get so bent out of shape about stuff not working as well or how they'd like to. Suggesting they do so isn't productive.

    Reports suggest, easily cited via google, that Motorola has had notoriously iffy cameras on smartphones. I could completely believe the DT camera is better than the Droid RAZR Maxx without testing the older phone for myself in light of such reports. I can say from personal experience that it is at best a side-grade from the camera on my somewhat dated Galaxy S4. Better in some areas, worse in others. I could see how someone would be very bothered by that, I like to understand the why and how but I have a more c'est la vie attitude about it since it's not a key feature to me.
    Two weeks to test and return or exchange the phone. Plenty of time to test the specs. If the camera is that big of a deal to someone, they should have returned the phone.
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    01-29-2015 07:22 PM
  14. jamielov's Avatar
    Two weeks to test and return or exchange the phone. Plenty of time to test the specs. If the camera is that big of a deal to someone, they should have returned the phone.
    Ah yes because in every instance i want to test my camera I can certainly get done in two weeks. Let's see....concert, NHL game, house league hockey game, birthday party.... Hope I didn't miss anything. Its also TONS of fun resetting and setting up phones over and over.

    Expectations.... Well....when I was happy with my maxx then motos brilliant marketing campaign set out...."don't miss ANY of the action with a powerhouse 21 mp camera at the flick of a wrist" I guess that may have... May have...set some expectations.

    Why isn't everyone complaining? Well again we have various people.coming from different phones. I suppose if I went from a droid 2 to the turbo, yes I'd be impressed. Much like if I went from Schlitz to Pabst i might think its the best beer on earth.

    I just don't get the snark...from the defenders who like it. That's great you are satisfied with your camera. I'm not. Off color blurry shots of most anything is useless to me....just as photos of a stationary row of houses or a parked car.
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    01-29-2015 10:28 PM
  15. wolf_walker's Avatar

    I just don't get the snark...from the defenders who like it. That's great you are satisfied with your camera. I'm not.
    Folks get mighty riled about their inanimate objects. I view it as a credit to the great heights our society has reached that we have that luxury.
    When I'm feeling generous.
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    01-30-2015 02:48 AM
  16. jamielov's Avatar
    Probably a shutter speed defect in your phone model? Hard to imagine why it would look like this.
    My replacement (yes, for anyone following the saga, my photos were bad enough that Verizon said they would replace my phone free of charge) arrived yesterday. Haven't had time to test the camera in any of the instances where photos have been a nightmare yet, so we will see. And yes, it was a HUGE pain in the *** changing phones. Motorola Migrate wasn't working, even after removing in and reinstalling it, so it ended up taking me literally all day to get my phone up and running again....which is why I love the....oh you don't like the camera, get a new phone....comments oh so much. That, or the...its a phone that has a camera, be greatful it simply works. Which never really make any sense to me
    01-30-2015 09:53 AM
  17. KPMcClave's Avatar
    I cant take it anymore and also have to speak up. I used to have the S4 and the Droid turbo camera is better. Not sure what the complaining is about. The S4 was supposed to have a great camera but this Turbo has a better one.
    I've never had the S4, but I did have a Droid Maxx, which is hardly known for having a stellar camera. My complaints are that many of my shots are worse with the Turbo than they were with the Maxx. It's true that when I happen to capture a good quality picture it is better than a good quality Droid Maxx shot. The problem is that happns all too rarely.

    In particular, pics of our daughter's instructional basketball league were better with the Maxx. Not perfect then either, but I certainly think I was within reason to expect they would be better with the Turbo.
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    01-30-2015 11:20 AM
  18. KPMcClave's Avatar
    [ATTACH=CONFIG]1Attachment 16097560975[/ATTACH]. Worse lighting conditions....taken with Maxx. So hope that helps clarify the "mystery" why some are upset. Heading back to store tomorrow to see if indeed my camera is broken. Because if not, my photos are all really, really bad.
    Exactly the type of experience I've had (and just posted about) re: the turbo and the Maxx I had previously.
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    01-30-2015 11:23 AM
  19. KPMcClave's Avatar
    I think the true camera problem is user expectations. Some feel that if the phone camera isn't the best point-and-shoot ever made then the camera is a massive disappointment.

    In the end, this is a smartphone with a camera. If it takes pretty good pics most of the time, I am happy. From what I've see, it is on par with the majority of phone cameras out there, so I don't understand the uproar.

    If you want perfect pictures, go lug around an $800 DSLR. Otherwise, be happy with the convenience of a phone camera, knowing some situations will be less than ideal to capture. Or, better yet, buy the phone you think is better if it is that important to you.
    No.
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    01-30-2015 11:39 AM
  20. jamielov's Avatar
    Exactly the type of experience I've had (and just posted about) re: the turbo and the Maxx I had previously.
    Thank you. Exactly! There is really NO reason to expect an upgraded specs phone from the same company would be worse than the prior model. And the MAXX was the easiest shooting phone/camera I've ever used with some truly amazing shots. Award winning....no....but the examples I've posted vs the Turbo speak for themselves. And the maxx was simply point and shoot. In this and the other thread I've heard some hilarious excuses about why my photos weren't good (lighting, exposure, shaking hand, someone's head in the way, temperature outside, rotation of the earth, etc) and it really shouldn't be this much work coupled with hoping and praying to get a good shot. I really think either the software is really messed up as a whole, or a simple exposure fix/patch can make this a good camera. But up to this point I havent seen one example of a difficult shot that came out good yet. Yes, I've seen your majestic mountain ranges, plastic android figurines, and parked cars photographed very nicely. But refer to my recent concert pics to get a "challenging" shot and its outcome.
    01-30-2015 12:49 PM
  21. vzwuser76's Avatar
    Ah yes because in every instance i want to test my camera I can certainly get done in two weeks. Let's see....concert, NHL game, house league hockey game, birthday party.... Hope I didn't miss anything. Its also TONS of fun resetting and setting up phones over and over.

    Expectations.... Well....when I was happy with my maxx then motos brilliant marketing campaign set out...."don't miss ANY of the action with a powerhouse 21 mp camera at the flick of a wrist" I guess that may have... May have...set some expectations.

    Why isn't everyone complaining? Well again we have various people.coming from different phones. I suppose if I went from a droid 2 to the turbo, yes I'd be impressed. Much like if I went from Schlitz to Pabst i might think its the best beer on earth.

    I just don't get the snark...from the defenders who like it. That's great you are satisfied with your camera. I'm not. Off color blurry shots of most anything is useless to me....just as photos of a stationary row of houses or a parked car.
    You've had this thing for how long now? I remember arguing with you about the camera back when this came out. So we're talking months here. You apparently still have your Droid Maxx, so go back to that, and sell the Turbo. If I had this much problem with a device, I would've gotten rid of it long before now. Or I would've at the very least contacted Motorola for a replacement long before now. But since you apparently have another phone that doesn't have a tradeoff for you, why waste so much time with this one?
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    01-30-2015 12:58 PM
  22. PowrDroid's Avatar
    But up to this point I havent seen one example of a difficult shot that came out good yet. Yes, I've seen your majestic mountain ranges, plastic android figurines, and parked cars photographed very nicely. But refer to my recent concert pics to get a "challenging" shot and its outcome.
    Guess you missed the photos I posted at the beginning of this thread. And others I posted of moving objects in low light that the Turbo camera captured.

    BTW, please post photos taken with your replacement phone. You've had it for a day now. Or do you simply want to keep complaining?
    01-30-2015 01:27 PM
  23. jamielov's Avatar
    Guess you missed the photos I posted at the beginning of this thread. And others I posted of moving objects in low light that the Turbo camera captured.

    BTW, please post photos taken with your replacement phone. You've had it for a day now. Or do you simply want to keep complaining?
    Yes I've had it for all of one day. Which was spent setting up the phone. I have had no opportunities to take any photos that provided any challenges. I'm sorry. I also work at my job, so again, many apologies. I'll try to sneak in a concert and NHL game after my 10 hour work shift today. Its funny tho, there are threads and threads here and in a lot of other forums about this camera and its bad performance and misleading marketing, but I guess its just me complaining.
    01-30-2015 02:17 PM
  24. jamielov's Avatar
    You've had this thing for how long now? I remember arguing with you about the camera back when this came out. So we're talking months here. You apparently still have your Droid Maxx, so go back to that, and sell the Turbo. If I had this much problem with a device, I would've gotten rid of it long before now. Or I would've at the very least contacted Motorola for a replacement long before now. But since you apparently have another phone that doesn't have a tradeoff for you, why waste so much time with this one?
    Why waste so much time? Because I guess i like the phone and it's other attributes? Also because I'm hoping a fix eventually comes along for the camera? Is that allowed? Its an imaginary problem tho, right, even tho after all these months, two more current threads have popped up with people unhappy with the camera? You say you remember arguing with me about the camera X months ago.. OK...but has moto or Verizon released any suitable updates or addressed this issue yet? Again....I'm hoping. Because I do love the droid line of phones

    Why waste so much time defending the camera to people who simply want a fix? What's your personal connection to moto/Verizon? You don't like the "complaining"? Skip the thread. People are allowed to be unhappy with what they purchase
    01-30-2015 02:22 PM
  25. PowrDroid's Avatar
    Its funny tho, there are threads and threads here and in a lot of other forums about this camera and its bad performance and misleading marketing, but I guess its just me complaining.
    By my count there is a half dozen people that have complained about it. Several more that take an attitude that "it's a cell phone camera, what do you expect".

    It's not just the Moto Turbo camera that people are complaining about.

    My Latest Attempt to Get a Bad Photo with the Turbo-note-4-camera.jpg


    My Latest Attempt to Get a Bad Photo with the Turbo-apple-iphone.jpg


    My Latest Attempt to Get a Bad Photo with the Turbo-galaxy-s4.jpg
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    01-30-2015 02:47 PM
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