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  1. anon(167668)'s Avatar
    Also, browser spoofing is considered bad form, and Google tries to follow W3C guidelines, so there's that too.
    03-27-2011 09:56 PM
  2. Drew2u's Avatar
    There is an easy fix. Set about:debug as your home page and just push Enter when you have to load up the browser.
    That won't do anything for getting into desktop mode, though, if the browser has been closed and you are following a link from a tweet or email. By default the browser will go to mobile mode.

    And it's not a "fix" ... it's a workaround.
    03-27-2011 09:58 PM
  3. anon(167668)'s Avatar
    That won't do anything for getting into desktop mode, though, if the browser has been closed and you are following a link from a tweet or email. By default the browser will go to mobile mode.

    And it's not a "fix" ... it's a workaround.
    The only true fix is for web developers to differentiate Honeycomb and Android Mobile browsers. They're the ones forcing Honeycomb to use a mobile site. Google adding in UA spoofing is no fix either; it's still just a workaround.
    03-27-2011 10:04 PM
  4. Drew2u's Avatar
    The only true fix is for web developers to differentiate Honeycomb and Android Mobile browsers. They're the ones forcing Honeycomb to use a mobile site. Google adding in UA spoofing is no fix either; it's still just a workaround.
    Yes, I've seen you post this many times.

    I've never asked for a "fix" - I want the option to easily choose which sites will be in mobile and which in desktop mode. See my earlier post. I think it's important that on mobile devices, with expensive 3G (and soon 4G) data rates that consumers have the choice of how much data they consume. If your solution is implemented, all sites will essentially be in desktop mode, and that's not what I want. I want choice.
    03-27-2011 10:07 PM
  5. anon(167668)'s Avatar
    What you want shouldn't be implemented on the browser level, it should be something that individual websites do.
    03-27-2011 10:11 PM
  6. Drew2u's Avatar
    What you want shouldn't be implemented on the browser level, it should be something that individual websites do.
    In your opinion.

    In my opinion, it should be at the browser level so I can choose to default to mobile mode but optionally specify select sites to open in desktop mode.

    If I went with what you want, I'd have no control over a goo.gl or bit.ly link I open from a Tweet or email - I wouldn't know if it's taking me to a mobile or desktop version of a site. If what I want is implemented, I get what I want.

    Nice chatting with you - you won't convince me, I won't convince you, and I need some sleepy time now. G'night!
    03-27-2011 10:19 PM
  7. deezus's Avatar
    I am having an issue with a website that ends in. Aspx. The web address is WL May and when I log in it display research page wrong. Does anyone know how to fix this? I have tried to set ua to desktop but that doesn't fix it

    Help
    03-27-2011 11:00 PM
  8. Dunbar's Avatar
    Ok, I'm going to take one more crack at this:

    I don't care that web developers are the ones who should be making web pages load in full view on the Xoom;

    I don't care that browser spoofing is "bad form" and against W3C guidelines;

    I don't care that web developers may fix this issue in the future if honeycomb becomes more popular;

    I don't care if the browser's inability to automatically display full web pages is considered a bug or not;

    I don't care if web developers adapt their pages for apple devices and not android devices.

    ALL I care about is that the Xoom be able to automatically load the full version of web pages, which it clearly was designed to do.

    I am a consumer. The Xoom was designed for people like me (and you). Motorola (and Google's) top priority should be to make using the Xoom better for the consumer. I paid a significant amount of money to Motorola, not web developers, for this device. Motorola/Google can easily fix this issue themselves. What's more, they have a duty to fix this.

    Anybody who argues otherwise has lost sight of the ultimate purpose of devices like the Xoom. Will adding a menu setting to permanently set the Xoom to desktop mode completely fix the problems of Xoom's users? Yes? Then do it, because any other considerations are irrelevant.
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    03-28-2011 09:20 AM
  9. 88 FLUX's Avatar
    Ok, I'm going to take one more crack at this:

    I don't care that web developers are the ones who should be making web pages load in full view on the Xoom;

    I don't care that browser spoofing is "bad form" and against W3C guidelines;

    I don't care that web developers may fix this issue in the future if honeycomb becomes more popular;

    I don't care if the browser's inability to automatically display full web pages is considered a bug or not;

    I don't care if web developers adapt their pages for apple devices and not android devices.

    ALL I care about is that the Xoom be able to automatically load the full version of web pages, which it clearly was designed to do.

    I am a consumer. The Xoom was designed for people like me (and you). Motorola (and Google's) top priority should be to make using the Xoom better for the consumer. I paid a significant amount of money to Motorola, not web developers, for this device. Motorola/Google can easily fix this issue themselves. What's more, they have a duty to fix this.

    Anybody who argues otherwise has lost sight of the ultimate purpose of devices like the Xoom. Will adding a menu setting to permanently set the Xoom to desktop mode completely fix the problems of Xoom's users? Yes? Then do it, because any other considerations are irrelevant.
    I agree with you 100%. A device isn't supplying "desktop-like browsing" if it requires the developers of all sites to specifically reconfigure their sites to recognize the difference between the "Android" and "Android Mobile" user agents. I fully agree that there should be a menu option (probably under advanced so it doesn't confuse people who don't know what they're doing) that says "Browser Mode" with the options "Mobile" and "Desktop" that allows the change to stay what you set it to at all times without having to occasionally re-enable debugging.
    03-28-2011 09:30 AM
  10. SquintySteam's Avatar
    Ok, I'm going to take one more crack at this:

    I don't care that web developers are the ones who should be making web pages load in full view on the Xoom;

    I don't care that browser spoofing is "bad form" and against W3C guidelines;

    I don't care that web developers may fix this issue in the future if honeycomb becomes more popular;

    I don't care if the browser's inability to automatically display full web pages is considered a bug or not;

    I don't care if web developers adapt their pages for apple devices and not android devices.

    ALL I care about is that the Xoom be able to automatically load the full version of web pages, which it clearly was designed to do.

    I am a consumer. The Xoom was designed for people like me (and you). Motorola (and Google's) top priority should be to make using the Xoom better for the consumer. I paid a significant amount of money to Motorola, not web developers, for this device. Motorola/Google can easily fix this issue themselves. What's more, they have a duty to fix this.

    Anybody who argues otherwise has lost sight of the ultimate purpose of devices like the Xoom. Will adding a menu setting to permanently set the Xoom to desktop mode completely fix the problems of Xoom's users? Yes? Then do it, because any other considerations are irrelevant.
    I don't understand your issue with loading a different browser to accomplish what you want. like Dolphin. Why is this a bad thing?
    03-28-2011 11:23 AM
  11. 88 FLUX's Avatar
    I don't understand your issue with loading a different browser to accomplish what you want. like Dolphin. Why is this a bad thing?
    Because "use a third party browser" does not solve the issue at hand. Not everyone is "techy" and knows why they can't see the desktop versions by default. For them, they are thinking "what the hell? I have this huge screen 'mobile computer' and I am getting stretched out mobile sites?" Your "use a different browser" logic is as helpful as Steve Jobs' "just don't hold it that way" logic from Antennagate.

    Yes, I could solve the issue on my Xoom by using a different browser. But this does not solve the issue (or even come close) for the mass of consumers.
    03-28-2011 11:33 AM
  12. Dunbar's Avatar
    I don't understand your issue with loading a different browser to accomplish what you want. like Dolphin. Why is this a bad thing?
    Simply put: I like the default browser better than any of the other browsers.

    Ock has a great point though. People put down Android because it is not as simple to use as iOS. This is actually true, although honestly I don't think learning to use Honeycomb is all that complex. But an issue like this will definitely harm the average user.
    03-28-2011 12:48 PM
  13. SquintySteam's Avatar
    I would love to have an option that lets me persistently set the UA string in the default browser and I hope Google eventually gets around to it. I would also like all the applications I download from the market to be part of the base OS but they aren't. I know there are going to be applications I add to my device to make it do the things I want, the way I want.

    The mass of consumers are buying iPads, not Xooms, so I don't care if it's easy for them to use.

    If there wasn't a solution to the problem stated, I'd be more inclined to be on the "fix the browser" bandwagon. Right now it's just a nice to have.
    03-28-2011 01:04 PM
  14. 88 FLUX's Avatar
    The mass of consumers are buying iPads, not Xooms, so I don't care if it's easy for them to use.
    This line of yours made me laugh. Based on that alone, please don't ever join the product development workforce.

    So what you're saying is that since "the mass of consumers are buying iPads" that there should be no incentive or reasoning for other manufacturers to make their product catered to the mass market? I mean yeah, that is so true, why would anyone want their product to work in the interest of the average consumer (A.K.A. the non-techy who don't even know what a UAString is).

    Bottom line, the standard consumer wants to be able to purchase a "tablet computer" and go to Yahoo! to see Yahoo!, not an insanely stretched out version of the mobile page designed for 3" to 4" screens. (Yahoo was just used for example purposes without any actual testing).

    But you're absolutely right, that shouldn't be given to the Xoom. Because consumers aren't buying the Xoom. They only buy the iPad. So true. Why does the Xoom even exist? Why make other tablets that work when the iPad is already around? Go iPad...
    03-28-2011 01:24 PM
  15. tom504's Avatar
    I set my default home page as about:debug

    I still ended up going back to Dolphin since it does a better job on some sites with embedded video
    03-28-2011 01:34 PM
  16. SquintySteam's Avatar
    There's a solution for the problem. Download Dolphin HD. If the average consumer feels that's too difficult they'll vote with their dollars. If Google or Motorola think that's keeping people away in droves, they'll change it.

    Do you really believe the browsing experience is what's keeping people from buying Xooms? If Google fixed the issue today, how many more Xooms would they sell?

    My assumption is the folks on this board aren't average consumers. And even though the solution of "download Dolphin HD" may seem a stretch for the average consumer, I think you'd be surprised.

    Bottom line, at least to me, is fixing the browser is a "nice to have". There are bigger fish to fry if they want to sell more units. Especially since there is a valid work around.
    03-28-2011 01:40 PM
  17. 88 FLUX's Avatar
    Bottom line, at least to me, is fixing the browser is a "nice to have". There are bigger fish to fry if they want to sell more units. Especially since there is a valid work around.
    This is the only line that I agree with. And only partially. I agree that the fix that has been suggested would be "nice to have" and nothing more. It is not stopping me from using and loving my Xoom or referring it to other people. And yes, there are bigger fish to fry in regards to mass adoption. But while "just download Dolphin" is a workaround, it is not a valid workaround. I love Dolphin. I have it on both my phone and Xoom. But that doesn't make it the appropriate fix.
    03-28-2011 02:11 PM
  18. MatthewSchenker's Avatar
    Hello,
    I got a Xoom on Sunday and have been using it just over the past 24 hours. One of my top reasons for purchasing the Xoom was for browsing. I had read the forums before purchasing it, and I knew about the "mobile" issue. But I thought there was a way to set it permanently to stop going back to mobile mode.

    Google should issue an update for this. All the marketing for Honeycomb says it is geared towards tablets, not small phones.

    I really want to like the Xoom, but this and a couple of other issues is ruining it for me.

    Thanks,
    Matthew
    03-28-2011 02:25 PM
  19. Holsum's Avatar
    Hello,
    I got a Xoom on Sunday and have been using it just over the past 24 hours. One of my top reasons for purchasing the Xoom was for browsing. I had read the forums before purchasing it, and I knew about the "mobile" issue. But I thought there was a way to set it permanently to stop going back to mobile mode.

    Google should issue an update for this. All the marketing for Honeycomb says it is geared towards tablets, not small phones.

    I really want to like the Xoom, but this and a couple of other issues is ruining it for me.

    Thanks,
    Matthew
    download dolphin browser HD it will more then suit your needs for the time being.
    03-28-2011 03:04 PM
  20. MatthewSchenker's Avatar
    GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL IT iS NOT A SIMPLE FIX BY GOOGLE......

    So, the fact that you want to be ignorant and say, "google fix my issue and render desktop mode" isnt going to cut it. why dont you do some more research and figure this out instead of complaining like a child because you don't get what you want.
    I've been very impressed with the Androidcentral community until this. I do hope the moderators see fit to delete your offensive post.

    Honeycomb was billed as the first Android release geared towards tablets. As such, it should act as a tablet-focused OS, not a phone-based one. How Web sites appear or are rendered by Honeycomb is pretty important. Whether it's a simple fix or not, it is a problem that needs to be addressed.

    You can insult me all you want. But I'm making a reasonable point, one that most "regular" users will probably agree with.

    Thanks,
    Matthew
    03-28-2011 03:09 PM
  21. Dunbar's Avatar
    There's a solution for the problem. Download Dolphin HD. If the average consumer feels that's too difficult they'll vote with their dollars. If Google or Motorola think that's keeping people away in droves, they'll change it.

    Do you really believe the browsing experience is what's keeping people from buying Xooms? If Google fixed the issue today, how many more Xooms would they sell?

    My assumption is the folks on this board aren't average consumers. And even though the solution of "download Dolphin HD" may seem a stretch for the average consumer, I think you'd be surprised.

    Especially since there is a valid work around.
    I don't really consider using an entirely different program a valid workaround. It's like saying that a valid workaround to having a flat tire is to take the bus.

    This issue obviously is not the source of any problems the Xoom is having on the marketplace. It is, however, a source of constant annoyance to me and many other current Xoom users.

    I started this thread just to find out whether anyone had any information on the status of the issue: is Motorola aware of it? Have they released any information about when/whether they are working on fixing it? I did not expect anyone to actually be opposed to fixing the problem.
    03-28-2011 03:18 PM
  22. Dunbar's Avatar
    GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL IT iS NOT A SIMPLE FIX BY GOOGLE......
    Yes it is. As you put it, "Google could just make it so your default browser rendered specifically for desktop."

    Now, yes Google could just make it so your default browser rendered specifically for desktop but that isnt helping these companies and their marketing by providing false information.
    So you're telling me I should accept sub-par performance on my device in order to help companies gather marketing information? That is definitely not a trade off I'm willing to make. I couldn't care less about whether a company can figure out what kind of device I am using when I view their web page.

    Ok, I'm pretty sure I'm done with this thread. Agree to disagree and all that.
    03-28-2011 03:25 PM
  23. qnet's Avatar
    I agree with the original poster.
    03-28-2011 04:10 PM
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