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  1. vzwuser76's Avatar
    Though Google and OEM Partners don't put much in RD and Marketing as their competitors. The build cost of devices is same. Then cut consumer markup (the market up is supposed to cover marketing,shipping and taxes) for demand that is fraction of your competitors.
    Google cuts mark up.
    Build Cost same as competitor

    The competitors buying in at larger stock for the higher demand which gives them build cost of $200 to $300 )Google is buying smaller stock for lower demand. Therefore there build cost would not be higher because of the lack stock they are actually buying.


    You missed the point of article I was referring to. The author clearly states :

    NEXUS DEVICES ARE A HEADACHE FOR GOOGLE'S ANDROID PARTNERS

    It almost seems innocuous, except that it's not. There isn't a single Android device manufacturer that is happy with the Nexus program, and I've spoken with them all. Those who build Nexuses for Google often do so reluctantly — with the possible exception of Huawei this year, whose*US reputation*stands to improve dramatically from the halo effect of being associated with Google by manufacturing the Nexus 6P. Still, neither Huawei nor LG, maker of the Nexus 5X, expects to make much direct profit from these new phones: they are priced aggressively and distributed narrowly, so there'll be little (if any) profit per device and few devices sold overall. Like Google, all a Nexus manufacturer can hope to gain is the benefit of indirect marketing and a better reputation among Android diehards.
    I was pointing out that the cost per device for most flagships is around $200-300. If the Nexus OEM isn't buying in such large quantities and isn't getting as much of a discount as those that do, the cost per device would go up. You're saying that the build costs would be the same, since they're selling them in lower quantities, which overall may be true, but the cost per device would go up.

    I understand what the Verge reporter is trying to say, and that may have been true with the devices I mentioned before (Nexus 4, 5, 5x, and the Nexus 7 2012 & 2013), but in the case of devices like the Nexus 6 and 6p, they are asking the same price that most comparable non Nexus devices are getting. If you consider that incorrect, then the previous devices I mentioned would've been sold for a significant loss. I remember reading that when the Nexus 4 and 2012 Nexus 7 debuted, they were only getting around $10 over their costs. So if that the case, and the Nexus 4 was only getting around $400-450 per device, how can a Nexus 6 or 6p not make any profit when they're getting upwards of $600 per device. It's not like the difference in hardware is another $200. The displays on these devices are usually the most expensive component yet their individual cost is usually around $50. This year's Moto X has specs the same or better than least years Nexus 6, yet they're getting $400 per device to start. If what you say is true, then they are taking a big loss on every X Pure Edition they're selling, since they also don't sell in large quantities. The X Pure Edition is closer specs wise to the 6p, yet sells for $100 less. That makes no sense.

    And again, one key thing the Verge author left out as to why OEMs don't like to make Nexus devices, is that they have to split the profits with Google. On their own branded devices, they have full reign over what components they use and how much they charge for devices. In the case of a Nexus device, Google specified what components they want in the device, and then after the sale a percentage of their profits go to Google. So they get less per device than they would selling their own branded devices. However, that doesn't mean there's no profit in them, it just means that each party sees less since the profit is split two ways instead of one. The only devices that were really unprofitable were the Nexus devices from 2012 and 2013, since the profit margin was so thin that Google essentially sold them for nothing and LG and Asus made $10 per device, which was more than likely a plan by Google to get Nexus devices better exposure than they had gotten previously. Instead in those years they made their money on the backend with their services and targeted ads. But to say devices like the Nexus 6 and 6p are no profit devices when the price increases by $200 per device doesn't add up. They aren't priced much lower than comparable devices from Samsung and LG.
    10-13-2015 07:46 PM
  2. bunique4life05's Avatar
    I was pointing out that the cost per device for most flagships is around $200-300. If the Nexus OEM isn't buying in such large quantities and isn't getting as much of a discount as those that do, the cost per device would go up. You're saying that the build costs would be the same, since they're selling them in lower quantities, which overall may be true, but the cost per device would go up.

    I understand what the Verge reporter is trying to say, and that may have been true with the devices I mentioned before (Nexus 4, 5, 5x, and the Nexus 7 2012 & 2013), but in the case of devices like the Nexus 6 and 6p, they are asking the same price that most comparable non Nexus devices are getting. If you consider that incorrect, then the previous devices I mentioned would've been sold for a significant loss. I remember reading that when the Nexus 4 and 2012 Nexus 7 debuted, they were only getting around $10 over their costs. So if that the case, and the Nexus 4 was only getting around $400-450 per device, how can a Nexus 6 or 6p not make any profit when they're getting upwards of $600 per device. It's not like the difference in hardware is another $200. The displays on these devices are usually the most expensive component yet their individual cost is usually around $50. This year's Moto X has specs the same or better than least years Nexus 6, yet they're getting $400 per device to start. If what you say is true, then they are taking a big loss on every X Pure Edition they're selling, since they also don't sell in large quantities. The X Pure Edition is closer specs wise to the 6p, yet sells for $100 less. That makes no sense.

    And again, one key thing the Verge author left out as to why OEMs don't like to make Nexus devices, is that they have to split the profits with Google. On their own branded devices, they have full reign over what components they use and how much they charge for devices. In the case of a Nexus device, Google specified what components they want in the device, and then after the sale a percentage of their profits go to Google. So they get less per device than they would selling their own branded devices. However, that doesn't mean there's no profit in them, it just means that each party sees less since the profit is split two ways instead of one. The only devices that were really unprofitable were the Nexus devices from 2012 and 2013, since the profit margin was so thin that Google essentially sold them for nothing and LG and Asus made $10 per device, which was more than likely a plan by Google to get Nexus devices better exposure than they had gotten previously. Instead in those years they made their money on the backend with their services and targeted ads. But to say devices like the Nexus 6 and 6p are no profit devices when the price increases by $200 per device doesn't add up. They aren't priced much lower than comparable devices from Samsung and LG.
    Nexus
    Build cost same (average)
    mark up cut down (Below average)
    demand (low)
    Split Profit or Not
    Equals Below than average profit

    Most Competitors
    Build cost same(average)
    mark up (average)
    demand(High)
    Equals Higher than average profit.

    Google never really releases profits earned or exact units sold for anyone assay the profit actually earned.
    10-13-2015 10:02 PM
  3. vzwuser76's Avatar
    Nexus
    Build cost same (average)
    mark up cut down (Below average)
    demand (low)
    Split Profit or Not
    Equals Below than average profit

    Most Competitors
    Build cost same(average)
    mark up (average)
    demand(High)
    Equals Higher than average profit.

    Google never really releases profits earned or exact units sold for anyone assay the profit actually earned.
    So you're saying that two devices, Nexus 6p and a competitor, both cost around the same to produce, both are costing about the same to the consumer and have similar specs, but one is profitable and another isn't. If they're not marking up the cost, then how is it costing around the same price as it's competition? I never said that the 5x was a very profitable device, LG seems to be returning to what they did with the 4 and 5. But the 6 and 6p are both charging similar prices for the specs as competing devices. I think what you're trying to say overall they aren't making profit because they don't sell in the same volume as others and also because one model is sold with a minimum markup. What I am saying is that devices like the 6 and 6p are profitable, maybe not as much as say Samsung, but probably as profitable per device as most other Android OEMs.

    What you say might make sense, if not for Motorola, who is in the same boat as Nexus. They also don't sell in the neighborhood of Galaxy devices, yet they have a comparable phone as the 6p in their X Pure and are charging $100 less. So if what you say is true and the 6p isn't making a profit, does that mean that Motorola is losing money on the Pure? Again, I'm talking per device, you seem to be saying that their overall profit is lower because they don't sell in as high a volume as other models and therefore are less profitable.
    10-13-2015 10:44 PM
  4. Chiver 44's Avatar
    Posted this on another forum but I ordered a 6p 64gb on Huawei website today. $549 total with shipping and no tax.
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    10-13-2015 11:52 PM
  5. bunique4life05's Avatar
    So you're saying that two devices, Nexus 6p and a competitor, both cost around the same to produce, both are costing about the same to the consumer and have similar specs, but one is profitable and another isn't. If they're not marking up the cost, then how is it costing around the same price as it's competition?
    One you said nexus 6p price is not under cut much less compared to similar products.(Now by price referring to the consumer price) Second I am going on your build cost of $200 to $300 build cost as you stated as average for smart phones similar to 6p. This concludes me saying Nexus 6p has same build cost that competitor but competitors mark up is higher. Then going I argued that if keeping build cost at going rate but under cutting going rate of mark up with add low demand would leave with less than going rate of profit return for single device compared to competitor.

    I never said that the 5x was a very profitable device, LG seems to be returning to what they did with the 4 and 5. But the 6 and 6p are both charging similar prices for the specs as competing devices. I think what you're trying to say overall they aren't making profit because they don't sell in the same volume as others and also because one model is sold with a minimum markup. What I am saying is that devices like the 6 and 6p are profitable, maybe not as much as say Samsung, but probably as profitable per device as most other Android OEMs.
    Yes I agree as well 5X not very profitable device though regardless if stated or not, I meant if 5x or 6p neither going be very profitable.

    Even separate 5X from the argument Google was just making 6P it still wouldn't be any more profitable. In your terms of "volume" what I am saying on 6P is that because the build cost is at going rate but markup is under going rate with low demand(volume) would leave profit under the going rate(average) vs similar competitive device.

    FYI when I am referring to "demand" I am saying: the amount the product is sold overall but as well over time and the speed of which product is sold. A low demand will have a small amount devices sold but also demand for product will not last long. A high demand will have a large amount products sold and demand for product will last longer. Why is this relevant will like try state earlier. The build cost is based on buying parts in bulk and technology get cheaper over time. If your demand is high and then continually make more profit over time because same product is getting cheaper to make.

    Google and OEM Competitor are going in on same build cost as there investment but Google under cuts average markup and has below average demand can not be profitable.

    What you say might make sense, if not for Motorola, who is in the same boat as Nexus. They also don't sell in the neighborhood of Galaxy devices, yet they have a comparable phone as the 6p in their X Pure and are charging $100 less. So if what you say is true and the 6p isn't making a profit, does that mean that Motorola is losing money on the Pure? Again, I'm talking per device, you seem to be saying that their overall profit is lower because they don't sell in as high a volume as other models and therefore are less profitable.
    Moto X Pure build quality,cameras,processor and down glass type are lower level which would equate cheaper hardware all together. The MXP also doesn't have new android hub chip or fingerprint reader(FYI MXP has extra moto chipset not equal to andriod hub in cost because MXP chipset has used since the original Moto X). Moto has a history products and Moto X line is not new and actually was a hit in it first gen. Moto's market and demand is small but it's part of bigger market of majority where Nexus is market niche and is of minority. Regardless since Moto X Pure and 6P are not same class device with same build cost that if the Moto X Pure make profit or not is not direct correlation of what 6P will do because it's not apples to apples comparison.
    10-14-2015 01:33 AM
  6. Emperor's Avatar
    Posted this on another forum but I ordered a 6p 64gb on Huawei website today. $549 total with shipping and no tax.
    I am trying to hold out for a 128GB model but the wait and not knowing when I can order is starting to get to me.

    Posted via Nexus 64GB Beast
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    10-14-2015 02:41 AM
  7. anon(9682267)'s Avatar
    Posted this on another forum but I ordered a 6p 64gb on Huawei website today. $549 total with shipping and no tax.
    hi there, it's been 1 week that i try to order from their gethuawei website and at the last step , when i hit the "place order" button it says to contact their customer support, and that they are facing issues. After contacting them they told me that they have a problem with website that they are trying to solve.

    did you order went through ok?
    10-14-2015 02:45 AM
  8. scavenger3's Avatar
    I meant will they restock before the 25th, the preorder deadline for the 50$ card from google.

    Also, im not sure which model to buy, can i get some opinions?
    im not sure how much the OS will take up, but im looking at the 64 gig...
    I will load a bunch of movies, books, and tv shows, as well as music onto it, and not sure how much space ill need to do that.
    10-14-2015 03:31 AM
  9. bpe4's Avatar
    I meant will they restock before the 25th, the preorder deadline for the 50$ card from google.

    Also, im not sure which model to buy, can i get some opinions?
    im not sure how much the OS will take up, but im looking at the 64 gig...
    I will load a bunch of movies, books, and tv shows, as well as music onto it, and not sure how much space ill need to do that.
    From the unboxing videos, it looks like a 32gb model will give you 25GB Available out-of-the-box, which translates to around 55GB being available on a 64GB model.

    On a side note... I wonder what 'out of stock' for the 64gb and 128gb means....if they have X amount sitting in warehouses now of phones already built, and they know what their daily production amounts are.. I'm not sure why they would have to STOP pre-orders of devices, but simply push the estimated date of delivery based on the pre-order queue (versus current stock and daily production).
    legaltender likes this.
    10-14-2015 08:23 AM
  10. mxmarcus's Avatar
    This is great.
    Now I don't have to get it
    10-14-2015 09:05 AM
  11. Orlando Sablon's Avatar
    I ordered the 128 GB aluminum on day one, with nexus protection, it came up to a whooping $787. Gotta love working hard to spend on tech, especially considering I always upgrade my nexus devices yearly. FYI, NOV 10-12 with preorder on day 1..
    10-14-2015 09:51 AM
  12. jlevs's Avatar
    This "out of stock" is getting ridiculous... Take my money, please!
    10-14-2015 10:06 AM
  13. vzwuser76's Avatar
    One you said nexus 6p price is not under cut much less compared to similar products.(Now by price referring to the consumer price) Second I am going on your build cost of $200 to $300 build cost as you stated as average for smart phones similar to 6p. This concludes me saying Nexus 6p has same build cost that competitor but competitors mark up is higher. Then going I argued that if keeping build cost at going rate but under cutting going rate of mark up with add low demand would leave with less than going rate of profit return for single device compared to competitor.



    Yes I agree as well 5X not very profitable device though regardless if stated or not, I meant if 5x or 6p neither going be very profitable.

    Even separate 5X from the argument Google was just making 6P it still wouldn't be any more profitable. In your terms of "volume" what I am saying on 6P is that because the build cost is at going rate but markup is under going rate with low demand(volume) would leave profit under the going rate(average) vs similar competitive device.

    FYI when I am referring to "demand" I am saying: the amount the product is sold overall but as well over time and the speed of which product is sold. A low demand will have a small amount devices sold but also demand for product will not last long. A high demand will have a large amount products sold and demand for product will last longer. Why is this relevant will like try state earlier. The build cost is based on buying parts in bulk and technology get cheaper over time. If your demand is high and then continually make more profit over time because same product is getting cheaper to make.

    Google and OEM Competitor are going in on same build cost as there investment but Google under cuts average markup and has below average demand can not be profitable.



    Moto X Pure build quality,cameras,processor and down glass type are lower level which would equate cheaper hardware all together. The MXP also doesn't have new android hub chip or fingerprint reader(FYI MXP has extra moto chipset not equal to andriod hub in cost because MXP chipset has used since the original Moto X). Moto has a history products and Moto X line is not new and actually was a hit in it first gen. Moto's market and demand is small but it's part of bigger market of majority where Nexus is market niche and is of minority. Regardless since Moto X Pure and 6P are not same class device with same build cost that if the Moto X Pure make profit or not is not direct correlation of what 6P will do because it's not apples to apples comparison.
    I never said they were as profitable as devices from companies like Samsung, just that they are profitable. I'm not saying they're the most profitable, I am just saying they are profitable, no matter how little it is. And with phone subsidies going away in the near future, those record profits that Apple and Samsung enjoy won't be as high as they were.

    So let's go on the high side and say a $300 build cost for the 6pp, and it's selling for $500. Between the little they advertise the Nexus series, and the R&D is lower since many times they use most of an OEM's tech, you're telling me there is no profit after that is taken away from that $200 difference?

    May I ask where you are getting that Motorola uses substandard materials? That Android Hub you reference was brought about by Motorola, and Google apparently appropriated it for themselves. As far as for how they sell, I would be surprised if the Moto XPE outsold the 6p. Remember they're not sold through carriers anymore so they don't have that exposure anymore, and I haven't seen any advertising for it either. The XPE and the 6p are in the same class, even though it's priced more in line with the 5x. And yes I know Motorola, I've owned three of their devices since 2013, the original Moto X, Droid Maxx and Turbo. Before I decided to go with a 6p, I was deciding between it and the XPE.
    10-14-2015 11:28 AM
  14. vzwuser76's Avatar
    I meant will they restock before the 25th, the preorder deadline for the 50$ card from google.

    Also, im not sure which model to buy, can i get some opinions?
    im not sure how much the OS will take up, but im looking at the 64 gig...
    I will load a bunch of movies, books, and tv shows, as well as music onto it, and not sure how much space ill need to do that.
    I talked with the Google Store last night about that very same issue. They told me that what I needed to do was to make my selections (graphite 128GB with protect) and then hit the wait list button below. That will put me on the list and since I got in the list before the 25th, I will be eligible for the Playstore credit as well. I confirmed this by calling a second time with another CSR. So I went ahead and did it.
    10-14-2015 11:32 AM
  15. VoltaicShock's Avatar
    I talked with the Google Store last night about that very same issue. They told me that what I needed to do was to make my selections (graphite 128GB with protect) and then hit the wait list button below. That will put me on the list and since I got in the list before the 25th, I will be eligible for the Playstore credit as well. I confirmed this by calling a second time with another CSR. So I went ahead and did it.
    I did the wait list thing as well. Unlike you I am still debating between the two devices but figure I could be put on the wait list.

    Though you said if you are on the wait list you can still get the credit to me this means it might not be back in stock by the 25th.
    10-14-2015 11:44 AM
  16. mabr82's Avatar
    All options out of stock in the UK

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Attached Thumbnails 64GB and 128GB Out of Stock-96948.jpg  
    10-14-2015 01:27 PM
  17. bunique4life05's Avatar
    I never said they were as profitable as devices from companies like Samsung, just that they are profitable. I'm not saying they're the most profitable, I am just saying they are profitable, no matter how little it is. And with phone subsidies going away in the near future, those record profits that Apple and Samsung enjoy won't be as high as they were.
    Well I believe we different ideas of profit all together. Because competitors with similiar devices are putting average investment and marking up the average their profit will be a least average or better if expected demand is sizeable. Google investment is same as the competitors if looking into build cost. They have below average mark up ( markup doesn't cover marketing which I stated earlier) then they low demand the profit they earn is not worth the investment into that product. (Strictly look at profit made by product being sold).


    So let's go on the high side and say a $300 build cost for the 6pp, and it's selling for $500. Between the little they advertise the Nexus series, and the R&D is lower since many times they use most of an OEM's tech, you're telling me there is no profit after that is taken away from that $200 difference?

    May I ask where you are getting that Motorola uses substandard materials? That Android Hub you reference was brought about by Motorola, and Google apparently appropriated it for themselves. As far as for how they sell, I would be surprised if the Moto XPE outsold the 6p. Remember they're not sold through carriers anymore so they don't have that exposure anymore, and I haven't seen any advertising for it either. The XPE and the 6p are in the same class, even though it's priced more in line with the 5x. And yes I know Motorola, I've owned three of their devices since 2013, the original Moto X, Droid Maxx and Turbo. Before I decided to go with a 6p, I was deciding between it and the XPE.
    Plastic is cheaper than metal.Their Camera is not level of tech as competitors. (Camera as lot pixels but really isn't a top line chipset) Android Hub is new more advance Chip the Motorola's designated chip which is mass produced. This makes Moto chip cheap. The display is older generation because does not have quality of current displays that are currently out. Doesn't have fingerprint reader or a 810 chip. Again not a Apple's to Apple's comparison.
    10-14-2015 02:57 PM
  18. maj71303's Avatar
    I ordered the 128 GB aluminum on day one, with nexus protection, it came up to a whooping $787. Gotta love working hard to spend on tech, especially considering I always upgrade my nexus devices yearly. FYI, NOV 10-12 with preorder on day 1..
    I ordered the exact same but without nexus protect and got the NOV 10-12 delivery estimate as well. The odd thing is that I didn't order day one like you I ordered October 8 and still got the same delivery time frame as a lot of first dayers.
    10-14-2015 03:43 PM
  19. vzwuser76's Avatar
    Well I believe we different ideas of profit all together. Because competitors with similiar devices are putting average investment and marking up the average their profit will be a least average or better if expected demand is sizeable. Google investment is same as the competitors if looking into build cost. They have below average mark up ( markup doesn't cover marketing which I stated earlier) then they low demand the profit they earn is not worth the investment into that product. (Strictly look at profit made by product being sold).



    Plastic is cheaper than metal.Their Camera is not level of tech as competitors. (Camera as lot pixels but really isn't a top line chipset) Android Hub is new more advance Chip the Motorola's designated chip which is mass produced. This makes Moto chip cheap. The display is older generation because does not have quality of current displays that are currently out. Doesn't have fingerprint reader or a 810 chip. Again not a Apple's to Apple's comparison.
    Google is actually putting less of an investment in their devices than most other companies. AOSP is already being done for their hardware partners, so that's not really counted. They get an OEM to build the device of their designs using that OEMs model as a starting point, sometimes even using almost the same model it self with a different shell. Any money made over your costs is profit, plain and simple.

    Yes they use some plastic, but also metal, leather , wood as well. The sensor hub is the same thing Motorola did in 2013, because there was nothing available at the time that could do that, so they did a custom chip. With the advent of the SD 800 series chips, there was no need for a separate chip since they have that built in. It's literally pointless to have a dedicated co processor chip when the same thing is already available in the SOC you're already using. As far as the camera, the chipset isn't the issue, it's the size and quality of the sensor that has the most bearing on quality in terms of hardware, and post processing software in the non hardware aspect that make a good camera. The display is also a different tech than what they have been using. I have a Droid Turbo currently, which has an AMOLED screen with similar performance to the Nexus 6, and neither are great. Sure it's detail is there, but the brightness is about half of what most of the competition gets and about a third of what the X Pure gets. Even with it cranked up all the way, it's barely usable in sunlight. Yes the fingerprint scanner is a plus, but I wouldn't say the same about the 810 until we see it's performance and if heat will be an issue, which is the reason Motorola went with the 808 in the Pure.
    10-14-2015 05:15 PM
  20. TheDonJ77's Avatar
    Man, I waited to long to pull the trigger and now they are out of stock. Looks like only 32 GB of aluminum and graphite are left. I definitely would like a 64GB. Now i have to stalk the page checking for stock to be available again. Here's to hoping they get more before the 25th so I can take advantage of the $50.00 play store credit.
    10-14-2015 05:35 PM
  21. VoltaicShock's Avatar
    Man, I waited to long to pull the trigger and now they are out of stock. Looks like only 32 GB of aluminum and graphite are left. I definitely would like a 64GB. Now i have to stalk the page checking for stock to be available again. Here's to hoping they get more before the 25th so I can take advantage of the $50.00 play store credit.
    Just hit Join Wait list and they will let you know when it is back in stock.
    10-14-2015 07:35 PM
  22. TheDonJ77's Avatar
    Just hit Join Wait list and they will let you know when it is back in stock.
    Where do you do this at? Somewhere on the Google play store page I assume?

    Sent from Da Beast, AKA, The classy white, Galaxy Note 5
    10-14-2015 07:37 PM
  23. TheDonJ77's Avatar
    Nevermind, found it

    Sent from Da Beast, AKA, The classy white, Galaxy Note 5
    10-14-2015 08:02 PM
  24. Droid_Evo_8's Avatar
    I agree. I'm really excited about the Nexus 6P. Last year there were a lot of criticisms of the Nexus 6, even before it was shipped. While I don't blame reviewers for their criticisms, the Nexus 6P IMO is giving them less to criticize. The price is better, it has the latest Amoled Samsung screen, It has a fingerprint scanner, and the build quality is better.

    The only unknowns are the battery and camera.
    Camera is not too far behind from the Galaxy S6, according to this site: iPhone 6s camera ranked by DxOMark – no better (or worse) than iPhone 6 | 9to5Mac
    10-15-2015 01:44 AM
  25. Nicholas Richards1's Avatar
    thanks, I forgot about that route. but you don't get the two year extended warranty. Also if you ordered one from Goggle and one from Huawei, which you think would ship first?
    Jonathan Lin1 likes this.
    10-15-2015 09:18 AM
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