06-13-2016 03:18 PM
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  1. RichBrown68's Avatar
    There's an interesting article this morning on bgr.com. It's entitled Google Nexus phones won't run pure Android anymore. The article says they spoke with people from the Nexus program who stated that Google will continue working with OEMs to produce Nexus phones, but that they will be encouraging them to include certain features that are not part of Android itself, not part of the stock Android experience. They didn't use the word bloatware, but that's obviously what it is. So enjoy the Nexus 6p, it may be the last in the line with this major advantage over other androids.

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    06-02-2016 09:43 AM
  2. hallux's Avatar
    Consider the source. Until AC or some other more reputable source reports it with valid sourcing, I won't believe that. One of the main reasons for fragmentation in Android is that the OEMs are adding stuff on top of the OS and that stuff needs to be tested against any new version/update before it can be released. If they start doing that on Nexus devices, they're losing focus on the primary/original goal of the Nexus program - PURE, CURRENT Android for developers to test their apps against.
    06-02-2016 09:56 AM
  3. bigsmoke79's Avatar
    Yeah take the story with a pinch of salt, however if this was to happen I'd seriously have to consider my hardware options going forward.

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    06-02-2016 10:18 AM
  4. BlueGoldAce's Avatar
    Agree, grain of salt.

    But if it is true...just think about the context. Lets assume HTC is the manufacturer of the upcoming Nexus; what is there that Google would possibly want included that isn't coded into Android? Here is a guess; Boom Sound. Would that be so bad?

    Google will continue to push the software updates to the Nexus phones, so anything that is included "on top" of Android won't be bloatware in the traditional sense. I am all for a superior audio codex (or whatever you call it) being included.

    Its a Nexus, if you don't like what Google puts into "stock" Android, then root it, rom it, and run an AOSP build.

    What other hardware options give you that ability, outside of HTC and the Nexus? Bootloaders are becoming harder to crack, and iOS doesn't offer what most of us want.
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    06-02-2016 10:25 AM
  5. recDNA's Avatar
    Heck, I would like ir blaster, controllable multicolor led, dual radios for cdma, external sd card slot and a built in FM radio. Oh and a wireless charging capability. No bloatware needed for any of them. None of them are required by stock android. It's the company specific high ram UI I hate in name brands as well as thr bloatware.
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    06-02-2016 11:13 AM
  6. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    'Certain features' can be anything from an aroma installer, to custom navigation buttons. I would say let's not jump to conclusions just yet.
    06-02-2016 11:16 AM
  7. Tom Westrick's Avatar
    It's not bloatware, it's just stuff not in AOSP that will make the phones better. An example would be the proprietary camera software on the 5X and 6P that made those cameras actually worth something.

    Personally, I hope they do something to make the audio sound better on future devices.

    Additionally, try to avoid BGR. They tend to take simple things and blow them out of proportion.

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    Robisan, tr-1, mckillio and 3 others like this.
    06-02-2016 12:18 PM
  8. chezm's Avatar
    Bgr.com haha...I wouldn't be surprised if Apple paid those guys, I don't think I've ever read a positive article about Android, windows or blackberry on that site.

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    cwbcpa, aximtreo, libra89 and 3 others like this.
    06-02-2016 12:34 PM
  9. gabbott's Avatar
    This isn't anything new. Nexus devices haven't been "pure" Android for a while. The Nexus dialer is another example.

    Don't jump to conclusions.
    Aquila, davidnc, aximtreo and 6 others like this.
    06-02-2016 01:43 PM
  10. effreyj's Avatar
    Bloatware and non-stock features are two different things. Extra settings and options that you can enable or disable aren't bloatware. Bloatware is when you buy a new phone and there are apps like "Verizon Ringtones" and a stub app version of "Bubble Blast" on your phone. That's different than an IR blaster or Samsung Pay or options to change the on-screen buttons.
    06-02-2016 01:48 PM
  11. Almeuit's Avatar
    'Certain features' can be anything from an aroma installer, to custom navigation buttons. I would say let's not jump to conclusions just yet.
    This.
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    06-02-2016 02:02 PM
  12. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    I have a feeling this originated from the interview with Sundar Pichai. He said that they want to bring "unique" software experiences to Nexus devices.

    My take? Nexus has never been "pure Android" and has always been Google's take on Android, including unique versions of the camera app and keyboard. If Google can more tightly integrate the hardware and software then that is a good thing IMO. It will make Nexus even more competitive with "the other" company that has tight hardware/software integration.
    06-02-2016 02:06 PM
  13. Aquila's Avatar
    I have a feeling this originated from the interview with Sundar Pichai. He said that they want to bring "unique" software experiences to Nexus devices.

    My take? Nexus has never been "pure Android" and has always been Google's take on Android, including unique versions of the camera app and keyboard. If Google can more tightly integrate the hardware and software then that is a good thing IMO. It will make Nexus even more competitive with "the other" company that has tight hardware/software integration.
    ^^ this too
    06-02-2016 02:11 PM
  14. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    Just to point out.

    The build of Android on your Nexus isn't necessarily full-on AOSP. It's Google's own take on Android. Notice how you don't see the AOSP camera app or the AOSP browser.

    And extra features don't necessarily mean bloatware. What do I mean by that? Features like dual-window and other stuff in Android N. The one thing I noticed in Nexus devices is that they tend to be kinda bare in terms of features. So adding more features with a meaningful impact or even for customization is a good thing in my books, as long as they don't go overboard.
    06-03-2016 05:17 AM
  15. anon(5506951)'s Avatar
    Just to point out.

    The build of Android on your Nexus isn't necessarily full-on AOSP. It's Google's own take on Android. Notice how you don't see the AOSP camera app or the AOSP browser.

    And extra features don't necessarily mean bloatware. What do I mean by that? Features like dual-window and other stuff in Android N. The one thing I noticed in Nexus devices is that they tend to be kinda bare in terms of features. So adding more features with a meaningful impact or even for customization is a good thing in my books, as long as they don't go overboard.
    Absolutely agree. I couldn't have said it better.

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    06-03-2016 09:32 AM
  16. IAmSixNine's Avatar
    Well i heard from a friend who knew a guy who dog sat for a person who talked to a gardener of a man who knew nothing about this topic and he said wait until AC verifies it. Unfortunately that was all a dream. Then i woke up and read this. Or was i in the Matrix. Steak sounds good right now.
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    06-03-2016 10:48 AM
  17. dpham00's Avatar
    6p is pure Google but isn't pure Android. There are a number of Google additions over AOSP(what I consider pure Android) in the 6p. So anything that Google adds or changes in the next nexus is still Pure Google.
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    06-03-2016 11:57 AM
  18. LeoRex's Avatar
    They didn't use the word bloatware, but that's obviously what it is. So enjoy the Nexus 6p, it may be the last in the line with this major advantage over other androids
    Is Doze bloatware? What about Google Now, or the new native fingerprint API? Here is a screenshot of On Tap (a feature more useful than many people realize), which can recognize via the camera app, as well as select text. I am sure you'll see much more added.

    From now on, Nexus phones will come with the bloatware-screenshot_20160603-120711.png

    Is that bloatware? Because this is the sort of thing that I believe Pichai was referring to. He's not talking about adding Clean Master to the next Nexus.
    06-03-2016 12:30 PM
  19. dpham00's Avatar
    Is Doze bloatware? What about Google Now, or the new native fingerprint API? Here is a screenshot of On Tap (a feature more useful than many people realize), which can recognize via the camera app, as well as select text. I am sure you'll see much more added.

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    Is that bloatware? Because this is the sort of thing that I believe Pichai was referring to. He's not talking about adding Clean Master to the next Nexus.
    it depends on how you define bloatware... Some definite bloatware as unnecessary preloaded software. Now the problem is that it could be unnecessary to some but necessary to others. So what one person considers bloatware can be a very useful app or tool to another person.

    I do agree that Google will try to add useful and innovative apps or features ... But are you personally going to have a need for them? The term bloat is pretty vague to me.

    With that said Google I would imagine would provide apps and features useful to many people, instead of preloading junk just to line their pockets.
    06-03-2016 01:35 PM
  20. psychoD33x's Avatar
    I would be thrilled to get the moto active display on my nexus. Biggest feature i miss coming from the droid maxx. The Google version just isn't very good. At least not compared to what I had on my maxx

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    06-03-2016 02:42 PM
  21. Aquila's Avatar
    They didn't use the word bloatware, but that's obviously what it is. So enjoy the Nexus 6p, it may be the last in the line with this major advantage over other androids.

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    There's 0 information in the interview that leads to the conclusion that any bloatware will be added to Nexus devices (outside of those like preinstalled apps they already have on all Nexus devices and most Android devices, which most would not consider to be bloat). What Sundar said was that they could add in more thoughtful features and work more closely with the OEM on the design of the phone and on the hardware. So that means, Google is intending to more involved with the process than in prior generations. He didn't say, "we're going to preinstall facebook and bank of america and cleanmaster" or anything of the sort.
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    06-03-2016 03:58 PM
  22. ansextra's Avatar
    BGR sometimes reminds me of Fox News (sorry to any Fox News lovers out there)...
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    06-03-2016 04:56 PM
  23. anon(5506951)'s Avatar
    It's funny how people confuse adding features with adding bloatware. Adding more features to stock Android means adding useful things like multi window or night mode to features that already exist, like Doze and Now On Tap. Bloatware is software that is useLESS, that virtually no one uses, that takes up valuable storage space, like a system "cleaner " that touts performance improvement. There's a big difference.

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    06-03-2016 09:55 PM
  24. anon(5506951)'s Avatar
    Is Doze bloatware? What about Google Now, or the new native fingerprint API? Here is a screenshot of On Tap (a feature more useful than many people realize), which can recognize via the camera app, as well as select text. I am sure you'll see much more added.

    Click image for larger version. 

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    Is that bloatware? Because this is the sort of thing that I believe Pichai was referring to. He's not talking about adding Clean Master to the next Nexus.
    Doze, On Tap, and the fingerprint API are features, yes. I believe those are the types of things Sundar is referring to. You used the perfect example of Clean Master-- now THAT is bloatware.

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    06-03-2016 10:00 PM
  25. xtremevicky's Avatar
    What a horrible article and people are actually angry.

    iPhone has more bloatware than Nexus.
    06-04-2016 05:07 AM
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