HTC U11 or OnePlus 5?

[dannyar11]

They both have water resistance ratings, or at least both are water resistant even if not both advertising it. The U11 does work for 160 million more people in the US than the OP5, but I honestly don't know how many people only get service on the GSM bands that the OP5 supports which the U11 does not for whatever reason.

That's like saying ip57 is equal to ip68. The u11 can literally be placed under water for 30 min up to 1 meter. The op5 cannot.

 

[Aquila]

Correct the u11 is ip68 the op5 is not. Also you did not mention expandable storage. But it's nice someone finally put together some reasoning. My argument would be that the advantages the op5 has are all cosmetic with the exception of ram which in tests has not proven to make s difference over 4gb. The u11 has benchmarked faster in many tests. And even though it has a larger battery the u11 has benchmarked as having a longer lasting battery.

I did mention expandable storage - both of them have support for it as detailed earlier, but if you specifically want a microSD slot in the phone, I said I'd count that as a mark against the U11 and in favor of the OP5 for eschewing it - but I also realize that you might put it in the U11's column.

The U11 and the OP5 are both water resistant, the OP5 just went out of their way to not advertise it. It's IP68 vs IP67, which to me is no difference at all. Neither are water proof and both protect the same against accidental splashes, etc.

 

[Aquila]

That's like saying ip57 is equal to ip68. The u11 can literally be placed under water for 30 min up to 1 meter. The op5 cannot.

This is going to come off as a rant.

IP67 vs IP68, and for normal usage they are identical. It is still, even with a water resistance rating of any kind below IP69K, completely idiotic to intentionally expose a computer to water. IP67 is depths up to 1M. IP68 is depths above 1M. Most people ignore the conditions of the test which are:

Device powered off or in deep sleep
Room temperature water
Still water (no jets or current or other movement)
Tap water (no chemicals such as chlorine, sand, mud, etc)

And people want to jump in and take photos under water because of evil marketing commercials. None of these devices are tested in or certified against the ocean, any lake or river or even stream, any swimming pool, any hot tub, etc. They're not tested in or certified in a spilled beer or orange juice, etc, etc.

So how many times have you dropped you phone, while powered off or in deep sleep, into a bowl of still standing room temperature tap water? Because that's the only thing that is tested and certified against.

/End of Rant

Yes, the OP5 can. Apparently.

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

This is going to come off as a rant.

IP67 vs IP68, and for normal usage they are identical. It is still, even with a water resistance rating of any kind below IP69K, completely idiotic to intentionally expose a computer to water. IP67 is depths up to 1M. IP68 is depths above 1M. Most people ignore the conditions of the test which are:

Device powered off or in deep sleep
Room temperature water
Still water (no jets or current or other movement)
Tap water (no chemicals such as chlorine, sand, mud, etc)

And people want to jump in and take photos under water because of evil marketing commercials. None of these devices are tested in or certified against the ocean, any lake or river or even stream, any swimming pool, any hot tub, etc. They're not tested in or certified in a spilled beer or orange juice, etc, etc.

So how many times have you dropped you phone, while powered off or in deep sleep, into a bowl of still standing room temperature tap water? Because that's the only thing that is tested and certified against.

/End of Rant

Yes, the OP5 can. Apparently.

This. (QFT)

Never purposefully get any phone wet, be it unrated, IP67 or IP68

Especially in soapy, chlorinated or salt water.

These ratings are designed as an accident prevention measure, not so you can take your phone swimming.

I might be renting a little too lol, but it's a bit of a personal bugbear!

 

[dannyar11]

Can you please point me to where it is stated that the op5 has ip67? Every reviewer has bashed the op5 for not having any sort of water resistance.

 

[Aquila]

Can you please point me to where it is stated that the op5 has ip67? Every reviewer has bashed the op5 for not having any sort of water resistance.

https://www.androidpit.com/oneplus-5-review

'OnePlus puts some OnePlus 5 devices from the production line in water, and they need to withstand it for 20 seconds. Although it doesn’t have IP certification, the OnePlus 5 should still be well-protected against water ingress accordingly. An independently made YouTube video shows how the OnePlus 5 can survive in water for a minute without being damaged.

Romain Heuillard from the French website Frandroid is even sure of it: “The OnePlus 5 is waterproof.” He claims to have exclusively learned that the OnePlus 5 would comply with IP67 certification, but OnePlus “refuses to take responsibility if the device were exposed to harmful quantities of water.”'

So sounds like OP is going out of their way to not acknowledge the water resistance because they're not interested in playing the claims game. Which is the exact same choice Apple made for a few years before deciding to advertise their certifications.

 

[dannyar11]

So it doesn't have an ip certification but a YouTuber puts it in water for 30 seconds to a minute and that makes it waterproof? Got it. No thanks I'll take an IP rating and being able to drop it in the water for 30 minutes

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

https://www.androidpit.com/oneplus-5-review

'OnePlus puts some OnePlus 5 devices from the production line in water, and they need to withstand it for 20 seconds. Although it doesn’t have IP certification, the OnePlus 5 should still be well-protected against water ingress accordingly. An independently made YouTube video shows how the OnePlus 5 can survive in water for a minute without being damaged.

Romain Heuillard from the French website Frandroid is even sure of it: “The OnePlus 5 is waterproof.” He claims to have exclusively learned that the OnePlus 5 would comply with IP67 certification, but OnePlus “refuses to take responsibility if the device were exposed to harmful quantities of water.”'

So sounds like OP is going out of their way to not acknowledge the water resistance because they're not interested in playing the claims game. Which is the exact same choice Apple made for a few years before deciding to advertise their certifications.

Makes sense actually... Remember all the flak Samsung got after those consumer reports failures?

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

The U11 is actually rated IP67, not 68.

Just need to get that out there.

 

[Aquila]

The U11 is actually rated IP67, not 68.

Just need to get that out there.

Really? So they're the same? I feel like I said they're same as makes all odds

 

[anon(661246)]

btw the solar red version is in same on Amazon for 590

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Really? So they're the same? I feel like I said they're same as makes all odds

Yep. IP67.

Difference is that one is rated while the other has the equivalence but is not rated.

 

[dannyar11]

DING! thanks for the amazon heads up on the solar red! just ordered one for only 590 and will be sending back the silver and save money. Also even at ip67 for the u11, you cant say the op5 is equivalent without the rating. That's all based on speculative testing with no actual facts to prove it. Im sure if Oneplus knew it was ip67 then it would make it known so that it could be one more thing they could sell the phone based on. I had the oneplus and it did not have seals around the sim slot which is one requirement for ip67

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

All an IP rating is in reality is a claim by the manufacturer, the only difference is that if they state one, your phone should (SHOULD!) be covered by warranty.

Of course, that's if you can prove that the damage wasn't sustained beyond the limits of the rating... So, for IP 67 you would need to show that your phone spent less than 30 minutes in fresh water that was not moving at a depth of no greater than one meter, good luck.

 

[Aquila]

Im sure if Oneplus knew it was ip67 then it would make it known so that it could be one more thing they could sell the phone based on.

They're indicating that they do not advertise it because they don't want to deal with stupid people getting the phone wet and then filing claims. Apple did the exact same thing for years, and Moto did something similar with their products for a few years. The idea is protect the consumer, but don't encourage them to abuse the device.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

And quite honestly, regardless of whether it is rated or not, please don't get your phone into wet situations on purpose.

Water-ingress protection, rated or not, is designed for protection during accidents, like when you accidentally tip a glass of water over your phone.

Yes, the ads show people using their phones in bathtubs or putting them in swimming pools, but while the phone might survive those, it's not worth the potential risk if the ingress protection fails.

 

[digitalbreak]

And quite honestly, regardless of whether it is rated or not, please don't get your phone into wet situations on purpose.

Water-ingress protection, rated or not, is designed for protection during accidents, like when you accidentally tip a glass of water over your phone.

Yes, the ads show people using their phones in bathtubs or putting them in swimming pools, but while the phone might survive those, it's not worth the potential risk if the ingress protection fails.

If an OEM markets the phone as waterproof with conditions stated, then consumers can and should try out or use it the way it is advertised. If not, then its false advertising and consumers can sue the OEM for damages.

So, while its all good to advise people dont get your device into water even its advertised, the reality says otherwise. If it is advertised, I am going to try it and if it fails, its the manufacturer's responsibilty.

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

If an OEM markets the phone as waterproof with conditions stated, then consumers can and should try out or use it the way it is advertised. If not, then its false advertising and consumers can sue the OEM for damages.

So, while its all good to advise people dont get your device into water even its advertised, the reality says otherwise. If it is advertised, I am going to try it and if it fails, its the manufacturer's responsibilty.

"Drink our new DIET fizzy drinks and your arse will get smaller!*"

*May help weight loss only as part of a calorie controlled diet

It's important to read the small print. If you think there isn't any, look harder.

 

[digitalbreak]

"Drink our new DIET fizzy drinks and your arse will get smaller!*"

*May help weight loss only as part of a calorie controlled diet

It's important to read the small print. If you think there isn't any, look harder.

Yep, just how you have in the webistes:

Samsung Galaxy S8:

*Carrying an IP68 dust and water resistance rating. Based on test conditions of submersion in up to 1.5 meters of fresh water for up to 30 minutes.

HTC U11

HTC U11 has an IP67 rating and is dust, splash and water resistant up to 1 meter of freshwater for up to 30 minutes and tested under controlled laboratory conditions. Normal wear and tear may decrease splash and water resistance over time. Do not attempt to charge or otherwise use the USB Type-C port on a wet HTC U11. For drying instruction and tips on maintaining water resistance, consult the user guide, support site, or the Help app on the device. Liquid damage may not be covered under warranty.

 

[Aquila]

If an OEM markets the phone as waterproof with conditions stated, then consumers can and should try out or use it the way it is advertised. If not, then its false advertising and consumers can sue the OEM for damages.

So, while its all good to advise people dont get your device into water even its advertised, the reality says otherwise. If it is advertised, I am going to try it and if it fails, its the manufacturer's responsibilty.

No phones are waterproof though, there's the problem.