06-28-2017 10:50 PM
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  1. j4ee's Avatar
    OP5 is just a [language removed by mod] up phone!

    Let's sum up the selling points of this [language removed] up OverPrice5:
    -Camera has no ois at all, your hand better to be perfectly no shake!
    -2007 tech 1080 mon in year 2017
    -835 cpu and 6gm ram, mi6 provide the same but op5 is around 156% price of mi6
    -crazy high price, this is unreally crazy, especially the price in europe, may be this phone is for the lords in europe
    -budget phone small sensor r9s, a budget phone that is 8 months ago. Just call op5 a flagship ok?
    -thin bezel, waterproof, any advanced tech ....no no no...don't have anything like these! But even a much cheaper Mi6 has waterproof function!
    -3.5" jack is included, wow this is the only real selling point lol xd
    -smaller size battery than 3t. OP needs to increase profit ok? They dont care how long can you keep your phone on
    -iPhone looking copycat. People using iPhone look down on china brand iPhone looking stuff users. The funny thing is this op5 is so expensive that why not just buy a real iPhone 6s
    -OP is a sub company of OPPO but always pretending to be small company and no resource for high tech stuff in a phone. OPPO is one of the best selling top 3 phone companies now
    -Giving out cheating fake benchmark. Such a dirty company!

    Conclusion: OP5 is the biggest disappointment in phone history! Basically there is no improvement at all from 3T but charge you much more $$$! You need to protect your wallet from this Chinese Cheater!

    source: http://lolscript.com/2017/06/22/the-...-5-op5-review/
    06-21-2017 11:37 AM
  2. j4ee's Avatar
    So we know OP5 main selling point is the camera, but actually it is the worst part! I have no idea how can OP cut cost to this level. So it doesn't have the most common sense function: OIS. If your hand just shake little bit, the photo would be totally screw up! Everyone talks about this in the official forum and I am surprised no one makes a thread about this over here yet. So if you want to buy the phone, make sure you can accept this. Yeah the sensor is small, just a budget OPPO r9s phone sensor, but not having OIS is much worse than small sensor.

    If OP wants to earn our money, at least make something ok, not something totally crap.
    06-21-2017 11:45 AM
  3. digitalbreak's Avatar
    It's very simple, if you do not like the phone or the way it is built/priced, you have got plenty of other options that will satisfy your needs. You are welcome to try those.

    Is this coming out after you using the phone?
    06-21-2017 12:05 PM
  4. j4ee's Avatar
    Agree completely; good info typically comes from expert reviewers with no skin in the game - and using a variety of them tends to eliminate the impact of each's inherent biases.
    Basically everyone youtube/website like AA got paid to promote something, welcome to find one that don't.
    06-23-2017 02:27 PM
  5. j4ee's Avatar
    Agree completely; good info typically comes from expert reviewers with no skin in the game - and using a variety of them tends to eliminate the impact of each's inherent biases.
    Basically everyone youtube/website like AA got paid to promote something, welcome to find one that don't.
    06-23-2017 02:28 PM
  6. Aquila's Avatar
    Basically everyone youtube/website like AA got paid to promote something, welcome to find one that don't.
    We're talking about reviews, not promoted content. When a blog posts supported content they 1) disclose that and 2) typically explain how that support is causing the article or video to exist, yet is not coloring their commentary about the product.
    06-23-2017 02:30 PM
  7. j4ee's Avatar
    We're talking about reviews, not promoted content. When a blog posts supported content they 1) disclose that and 2) typically explain how that support is causing the article or video to exist, yet is not coloring their commentary about the product.
    So what is this?
    https://www.cultofmac.com/251141/sam...t-htc-devices/

    Samsung has been fined $340,000 by Taiwan’s Fair Trade Commission for an Internet campaign against HTC that violated fair trade rules. The South Korean company paid students to praise its own smartphones in online reviews while slamming those of rival HTC.
    06-25-2017 06:38 AM
  8. Aquila's Avatar
    So what is this?
    https://www.cultofmac.com/251141/sam...t-htc-devices/

    Samsung has been fined $340,000 by Taiwan’s Fair Trade Commission for an Internet campaign against HTC that violated fair trade rules. The South Korean company paid students to praise its own smartphones in online reviews while slamming those of rival HTC.
    That's years old and it's not professional reviewers so it's nothing to do with what either person was talking about.
    06-25-2017 07:15 AM
  9. j4ee's Avatar
    That's years old and it's not professional reviewers so it's nothing to do with what either person was talking about.
    So you are telling me that OP didn't give anything to MKBHD? LOL XD
    06-25-2017 07:42 AM
  10. torbach1's Avatar
    So you are telling me that OP didn't give anything to MKBHD? LOL XD
    Do you honestly think MKBHD needs money from OP? He has over 4.5m subscribers. He's making a fortune off YouTube alone. His review of the OP5 was also not overly positive. It was critical of a fair amount.
    06-25-2017 04:11 PM
  11. Aquila's Avatar
    So you are telling me that OP didn't give anything to MKBHD? LOL XD
    I haven't see anyone suggest they did; do you have information about that?
    06-25-2017 05:43 PM
  12. j4ee's Avatar
    I haven't see anyone suggest they did; do you have information about that?
    Op gave tons of op3t to him to give away. He made good amount of money from that youtube video. That is not giving him stuff to earn money? Even for someone has zero youtube reputation and you give tons of phones to him give away for free, that person would make good money out of it.

    Give phone to "choicen youtube review" ahead of launch and then the reviewer publich review at the second of op5 event is another way to make big money. Some early access review have over 1 million views over first few days. I dont see any reviewers had bad 3t comment has early access.

    His op5 review is very tricky just like how op managers talk. He accepts and talks some most common easy to tell bad factors, but he always uses indirect ways to say"yeah there is a problem, but because of b c d e it is not a problem." Look at how he talked about op5 benchmark cheat, his conclusion is who cares benchmark nowadays. This is not indirectly protected? It is just same as op management said not overclocking is not cheating.
    06-25-2017 08:28 PM
  13. Aquila's Avatar
    OP gives review units to just about every credible blog that requests one.
    06-25-2017 09:34 PM
  14. j4ee's Avatar
    OP gives review units to just about every credible blog that requests one.
    A lot of reviewers dont have it.
    06-25-2017 11:44 PM
  15. Aquila's Avatar
    A lot of reviewers dont have it.
    Credible blogs or random YouTube people?
    06-26-2017 07:39 AM
  16. j4ee's Avatar
    Credible blogs or random YouTube people?
    Of course popular youtubers
    06-26-2017 10:20 AM
  17. Aquila's Avatar
    Of course popular youtubers
    I feel like we're talking about several different things.

    Review units: It is very common for OEMs to provide review units to credible tech blogs and trusted reviewers so that the phone can be reviewed. This can happen before and after a device's release. In that exchange, there is no expectation of false praise or any other sort of bias based on the device being received as a review unit. It's not uncommon for review units to be returned to the OEM or given out as a contest, etc.

    Running contests: It's also very common for OEM's to provide devices to the same organizations in order to run contests. That's a win-win scenario, as the OEM gets in the news and the organization gets visits, members, subscribers, etc. That also does not come along with any strings attached, such as positive reviews.

    So to be clear on what I'm asking you for - because you seem to be implying that sites like AC, AP, AA, CNET, TheVerge, etc, etc or reviewers like MKBHD, etc. are providing false information to consumers in exchange for compensation - is exactly who is being corrupted and in what form does this corruption take.
    06-26-2017 10:38 AM
  18. j4ee's Avatar
    I feel like we're talking about several different things.

    Review units: It is very common for OEMs to provide review units to credible tech blogs and trusted reviewers so that the phone can be reviewed. This can happen before and after a device's release. In that exchange, there is no expectation of false praise or any other sort of bias based on the device being received as a review unit. It's not uncommon for review units to be returned to the OEM or given out as a contest, etc.

    Running contests: It's also very common for OEM's to provide devices to the same organizations in order to run contests. That's a win-win scenario, as the OEM gets in the news and the organization gets visits, members, subscribers, etc. That also does not come along with any strings attached, such as positive reviews.

    So to be clear on what I'm asking you for - because you seem to be implying that sites like AC, AP, AA, CNET, TheVerge, etc, etc or reviewers like MKBHD, etc. are providing false information to consumers in exchange for compensation - is exactly who is being corrupted and in what form does this corruption take.
    How do you prove that none of the people you talked about not had corruption?

    For giant phone company did this:
    https://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/...ve-htc-reviews
    and this
    https://www.cultofmac.com/251141/sam...t-htc-devices/
    I don't see why you would believe they wouldn't buy big review website, youtuber, magazine...etc.
    It is actually very easy to tell if a youtuber has been bought. Anyone can watch it and easily tell the different.
    I am not a spy, I cannot just check how their under table deal is made. But don't tell me they give like tons of phones to MKBHD and MKBHD makes good money out of the video and you don't call it a deal.
    06-26-2017 11:22 AM
  19. Ry's Avatar
    How do you prove that none of the people you talked about not had corruption?

    For giant phone company did this:
    https://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/...ve-htc-reviews
    and this
    https://www.cultofmac.com/251141/sam...t-htc-devices/
    I don't see why you would believe they wouldn't buy big review website, youtuber, magazine...etc.
    It is actually very easy to tell if a youtuber has been bought. Anyone can watch it and easily tell the different.
    I am not a spy, I cannot just check how their under table deal is made. But don't tell me they give like tons of phones to MKBHD and MKBHD makes good money out of the video and you don't call it a deal.
    Are you saying that all of the real reviewers that @Aquila listed are all corrupt? No integrity? Have been paid off for "good" reviews?
    06-26-2017 11:30 AM
  20. j4ee's Avatar
    Are you saying that all of the real reviewers that @Aquila listed are all corrupt? No integrity? Have been paid off for "good" reviews?
    I am not spy or CIA I don't investigate. But I can tell you that about those youtubers and online review websites, they all need to eat and most of them like money. When I read their reviews I don't see any integrity at all. Almost all of them are just salesman it is very easy to tell.
    06-26-2017 11:42 AM
  21. digitalbreak's Avatar
    I am not spy or CIA I don't investigate. But I can tell you that about those youtubers and online review websites, they all need to eat and most of them like money. When I read their reviews I don't see any integrity at all. Almost all of them are just salesman it is very easy to tell.
    There are lot of good reviewers and bad, but very few who review based on the money they receive from companies. Huge distinction to make.

    If this is your opinion, thats OK, but telling every youtuber who review products are paid by those companies (in other words, bribed) is harsh and none of your business really as you don't have the necessity to review or create content like they do.

    I hope fellow youtubers don't get offended by the ridiculous statement/claim made by the previous user.
    06-26-2017 11:55 AM
  22. Aquila's Avatar
    How do you prove that none of the people you talked about not had corruption?

    For giant phone company did this:
    https://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/...ve-htc-reviews
    and this
    https://www.cultofmac.com/251141/sam...t-htc-devices/
    I don't see why you would believe they wouldn't buy big review website, youtuber, magazine...etc.
    It is actually very easy to tell if a youtuber has been bought. Anyone can watch it and easily tell the different.
    I am not a spy, I cannot just check how their under table deal is made. But don't tell me they give like tons of phones to MKBHD and MKBHD makes good money out of the video and you don't call it a deal.
    Very few people attempt to prove a negative and we also don't throw out accusations of corruption without a single shred of evidence that would even suggest it exists. The articles you linked (same story, two articles) is about Samsung and consumers, not Samsung and professional reviewers. The idea of professional reviewers is that they are experts at their job, analyzing devices and reporting their opinions, and that they are professionals.
    06-26-2017 12:11 PM
  23. Ry's Avatar
    I am not spy or CIA I don't investigate. But I can tell you that about those youtubers and online review websites, they all need to eat and most of them like money. When I read their reviews I don't see any integrity at all. Almost all of them are just salesman it is very easy to tell.
    Do you have any other examples besides MKBHD and a OnePlus contest?
    06-26-2017 12:14 PM
  24. j4ee's Avatar
    There are lot of good reviewers and bad, but very few who review based on the money they receive from companies. Huge distinction to make.

    If this is your opinion, thats OK, but telling every youtuber who review products are paid by those companies (in other words, bribed) is harsh and none of your business really as you don't have the necessity to review or create content like they do.

    I hope fellow youtubers don't get offended by the ridiculous statement/claim made by the previous user.
    There is no way to prove your point or my point is correct since we cannot know the deal under the table. I can just show you the 2 links above that samsung tried very hard to buy comments and reviews.
    06-26-2017 12:36 PM
  25. j4ee's Avatar
    Very few people attempt to prove a negative and we also don't throw out accusations of corruption without a single shred of evidence that would even suggest it exists. The articles you linked (same story, two articles) is about Samsung and consumers, not Samsung and professional reviewers. The idea of professional reviewers is that they are experts at their job, analyzing devices and reporting their opinions, and that they are professionals.
    About samsung those are two different stories, one is forum comment and another one is blogger review
    06-26-2017 12:37 PM
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