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  1. flapjack.fiasco's Avatar
    Good news guys, koush is showing interest. He wants a link to the recovery I think

    Sent from my LS670 using Tapatalk
    That's awesome! Keep it up!

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    07-29-2012 07:49 AM
  2. flapjack.fiasco's Avatar
    Okay, guys, I don't know how intense the level of contact has been, but please let Sellers continue his dialog with Koush now, and see what happens before others continue to contact him. No reason to spam him unnecessarily.
    Yeah, I didn't even get started, and sellers86 just ran with it! The idea was to be coordinated about spamming him, but we definitely need to see how far sellers gets before we start a full campaign. Let's hope for the best, and if you need any kind of assistance sellers, just let us know.

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    07-29-2012 07:53 AM
  3. flapjack.fiasco's Avatar
    Last year I contacted him via G+ he passed the buck to one of his associates. Then nothing ever come of it.


    @Kevin O'Quinn its not so much the recovery as people install Rom Manager to get CWM. Then once the phone is bricked create threads saying help I used Rom Mangler and bricked my phone. If we can get to the people before using Rom Mangler they get the proper recovery.

    @Paul627g I agree Koush could pick up any of the Optimus One variants for pretty cheap and not break his bank account. But in all honesty if he would respond to people and not blow them off this would have been fixed many months ago.

    Like LeslieAnn says he has been contacted and chooses to ignore this community because they arent the latest and greatest. Look at the phones supported and not supported. Most supported phones are high end phones and the unsupported are ones he would be embarrassed to use.

    Recently the devs for my current phone stopped even trying to get official support from Rom Mangler. Because after three months of unanswered and unapproved requests they went to goo.im and within the hour were approved and setup to upload.

    I have the conversation from G+ still but the emails I sent him I recently deleted. I tired for several weeks to get a response on how to remedy the situation and it feel to deaf ears. I hope sellers gets a better response but I wouldnt hold your breath.
    Thanks for confirming everything I've read previously about this situation. I know our chances are slim, that's why I wanted to organize one last effort to try and get some kind of action. If it doesn't work, we're no worse off than before, but maybe we can get something going here.

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    07-29-2012 07:59 AM
  4. KemikalElite's Avatar
    Maybe we can try asking VM to block it?
    Yeah I'm sure that would confuse the hell out of VM. They'd probably just think about blocking all the other root/tether apps while their at it.

    But seriously just make a TWRP image and switch to GooManager. Koush has part of CWM encrypted so that users cannot use an Android app (other than RM Premium) to flash more than one zip automatically at once. Also not giving users the option to quick flash touch recovery and restricting the ROMs that are downloadable from the app to premium only.

    *down with closed source*

    GooManager has all those functions and doesn't cost a dime. If they had a feature that could automatically download the ROM instead of having to check for updates as a donate version I would buy it. The only bad side is that having all the files hosted on a single mirror system definitely makes downloads slower. But on the bright side it puts files from all sorts of devs in one unified place. If goo.im had an option for devs to host their files on a separate mirror it would be perfect.

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    07-31-2012 02:46 AM
  5. flapjack.fiasco's Avatar
    Yeah I'm sure that would confuse the hell out of VM. They'd probably just think about blocking all the other root/tether apps while their at it.

    But seriously just make a TWRP image and switch to GooManager. Koush has part of CWM encrypted so that users cannot use an Android app (other than RM Premium) to flash more than one zip automatically at once. Also not giving users the option to quick flash touch recovery and restricting the ROMs that are downloadable from the app to premium only.

    *down with closed source*

    GooManager has all those functions and doesn't cost a dime. If they had a feature that could automatically download the ROM instead of having to check for updates as a donate version I would buy it. The only bad side is that having all the files hosted on a single mirror system definitely makes downloads slower. But on the bright side it puts files from all sorts of devs in one unified place. If goo.im had an option for devs to host their files on a separate mirror it would be perfect.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
    Goo Manager is a great solution, I use it to download AOKP nightlies. But the issue here is inexperienced users flocking to RM. If we could get koush to drop support, we'd be all set. And if we got him to update with a supported recovery, at least noobs would be spared the brick panic, even if they are using a less than ideal method.

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    07-31-2012 04:24 AM
  6. LeslieAnn's Avatar
    Last I looked, GooManager and TWRP2 didn't work on the OV.
    07-31-2012 05:17 AM
  7. flapjack.fiasco's Avatar
    Last I looked, GooManager and TWRP2 didn't work on the OV.
    I don't know what TWRP2 is, are you talking about the two of them working in tandem? Because I've definitely used GooManager to download and automatically install a ROM.

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    07-31-2012 08:34 AM
  8. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    TWRP2 = Team Win Recovery Project 2. IMHO it's better than CWM in every way possible.

    Where has it ever been stated that Koush is obligated to support and write for each and every phone individually? Or any dev of any app for that matter?

    I have an HTC AT&T One X. It's a high-end flagship phone. I have no official CWM support. I'm not mad at him, either. I don't expect him to support my phone, but if he does I'll have other options. Yes, XDA is full of people that say "I used CWM and now XXXXX happened." You get the (almost required) troll/flaming replies, and then people try to help them. The difference here? We don't flame people for not reading first (and if anybody does they are WRONG).

    Yes, it sucks that people don't read before they try to do hackish stuff to their phone. No, we can't make them read first. All we can do is help them when they come here for help, if it's not too late. But getting mad at a dev for not supporting a particular device because people decide to use his app without reading up first is kinda not fair IMHO. You wouldn't start taking apart the engine of your car without reading up first, right? At the end of the day, agree or not, he doesn't have any responsibility to anyone that bricks their phone using his app. That's an assumed risk you take when hacking your phone. And isn't this a small percentage of the total user base anyway?


    All that being said, I hope he replies in a positive way and gets things working the right way for you guys. It would be awesome.
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    07-31-2012 10:23 AM
  9. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    And I'm pretty sure that TWRP is open source (I could be completely wrong, though) so if someone wants to port it over I'm sure they could.
    07-31-2012 10:23 AM
  10. pbailey212's Avatar
    TWRP2 = Team Win Recovery Project 2. IMHO it's better than CWM in every way possible.

    Where has it ever been stated that Koush is obligated to support and write for each and every phone individually? Or any dev of any app for that matter?

    I have an HTC AT&T One X. It's a high-end flagship phone. I have no official CWM support. I'm not mad at him, either. I don't expect him to support my phone, but if he does I'll have other options. Yes, XDA is full of people that say "I used CWM and now XXXXX happened." You get the (almost required) troll/flaming replies, and then people try to help them. The difference here? We don't flame people for not reading first (and if anybody does they are WRONG).

    Yes, it sucks that people don't read before they try to do hackish stuff to their phone. No, we can't make them read first. All we can do is help them when they come here for help, if it's not too late. But getting mad at a dev for not supporting a particular device because people decide to use his app without reading up first is kinda not fair IMHO. You wouldn't start taking apart the engine of your car without reading up first, right? At the end of the day, agree or not, he doesn't have any responsibility to anyone that bricks their phone using his app. That's an assumed risk you take when hacking your phone. And isn't this a small percentage of the total user base anyway?


    All that being said, I hope he replies in a positive way and gets things working the right way for you guys. It would be awesome.
    The one x is a decent phone, but I wouldn't consider it a high end flagship phone, I think the one S is more in that category, but I own a virgin mobile optimus v. What do I know. We don't care for rom manager support. We want either no support at all, or properly working support. It has been addressed to him for a year now that rom manager puts an unsupported recovery on some of our phones and nothing will get done about it.

    sent from my Nokia 5110
    07-31-2012 11:32 AM
  11. niftypixel's Avatar
    Last I looked, GooManager and TWRP2 didn't work on the OV.
    Just tried it. Says unable to download file list from your repo. I was halfway excited for a min. Hope they fix.

    Sent via AC on my OV w/ Harmonia2 :-)
    07-31-2012 12:48 PM
  12. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    The one x is a decent phone, but I wouldn't consider it a high end flagship phone, I think the one S is more in that category, but I own a virgin mobile optimus v. What do I know. We don't care for rom manager support. We want either no support at all, or properly working support. It has been addressed to him for a year now that rom manager puts an unsupported recovery on some of our phones and nothing will get done about it.

    sent from my Nokia 5110
    Considering that the One X is positioned ABOVE the One S by HTC it's a higher-end phone. But I digress. Me bringing up the One X was to prove a point. Someone stated that he seems to only support "high-end" phones and not phones that he would be "embarrassed" to use. The One X is a high-end phone that doesn't have official support from Koush.

    So before you come in here all pompous with your "high end flagship phone" telling us low end users to read, maybe you should take your own advice.
    I would advise you to not make such assumptions about people here. I used an Optimus T for a while when it first came out. Actually made the very first rooting video for it, and even bricked a phone testing a recovery for it. Pretty sure I can claim to be the person that verified that the same rooting methods worked for it that worked for the Optimus S.

    Also, I don't base my opinion of someone on what phone they use, and any attempt to make it seem that way will just look silly.
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    07-31-2012 01:07 PM
  13. pbailey212's Avatar
    Considering that the One X is positioned ABOVE the One S by HTC it's a higher-end phone. But I digress. Me bringing up the One X was to prove a point. Someone stated that he seems to only support "high-end" phones and not phones that he would be "embarrassed" to use. The One X is a high-end phone that doesn't have official support from Koush.



    I would advise you to not make such assumptions about people here. I used an Optimus T for a while when it first came out. Actually made the very first rooting video for it, and even bricked a phone testing a recovery for it. Pretty sure I can claim to be the person that verified that the same rooting methods worked for it that worked for the Optimus S.

    Also, I don't base my opinion of someone on what phone they use, and any attempt to make it seem that way will just look silly.
    Sorry...

    sent from my Nokia 5110
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    07-31-2012 02:10 PM
  14. flapjack.fiasco's Avatar
    TWRP2 = Team Win Recovery Project 2. IMHO it's better than CWM in every way possible.

    Where has it ever been stated that Koush is obligated to support and write for each and every phone individually? Or any dev of any app for that matter?

    I have an HTC AT&T One X. It's a high-end flagship phone. I have no official CWM support. I'm not mad at him, either. I don't expect him to support my phone, but if he does I'll have other options. Yes, XDA is full of people that say "I used CWM and now XXXXX happened." You get the (almost required) troll/flaming replies, and then people try to help them. The difference here? We don't flame people for not reading first (and if anybody does they are WRONG).

    Yes, it sucks that people don't read before they try to do hackish stuff to their phone. No, we can't make them read first. All we can do is help them when they come here for help, if it's not too late. But getting mad at a dev for not supporting a particular device because people decide to use his app without reading up first is kinda not fair IMHO. You wouldn't start taking apart the engine of your car without reading up first, right? At the end of the day, agree or not, he doesn't have any responsibility to anyone that bricks their phone using his app. That's an assumed risk you take when hacking your phone. And isn't this a small percentage of the total user base anyway?


    All that being said, I hope he replies in a positive way and gets things working the right way for you guys. It would be awesome.
    I would say that, yes, there is a certain percentage of people that would start taking apart their car's engine without reading. And I would also say that Koush does bear some of the responsibility, seeing as ROM Manager is said to be compatible with the Optimus V, when it is, in fact, not compatible. When you take into account the fact that he has been informed of this issue many times, and has done nothing, well, that's pretty negligent. Of course he's not obligated to support the OV, and that's not what we're asking for. He's got two options that would make us happy, and of course he's not obligated to choose either, but it would be the right thing to do.



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    07-31-2012 03:43 PM
  15. LeslieAnn's Avatar
    Where has it ever been stated that Koush is obligated to support and write for each and every phone individually? Or any dev of any app for that matter.
    So its okay for him to take their money, brick their phone and leave them with no help?

    And this isn't a small percentage.

    As to buyer beware, the Play store tells these people that it is compatible. Then soft bricks their phone after the refund period, besides, there is still the whole lack of support.

    Were aren't asking him to support it. Support it or don't, but stop taking people's money, bricking their phones and leaving us (and Virgin! ) to clean up the mess. Apps like this that are just another reason they lock down phones. Which like it or not, effects you too.
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    07-31-2012 04:01 PM
  16. sammyz's Avatar
    Anything happen with sellers86 and koush? I would like to start spamming him if he's still not gonna do anything

    Ironically, I use rom manager on my optimus m.... pretty useful (when it works).

    Sent from my Optimus M
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    07-31-2012 05:04 PM
  17. flapjack.fiasco's Avatar
    Just tried it. Says unable to download file list from your repo. I was halfway excited for a min. Hope they fix.

    Sent via AC on my OV w/ Harmonia2 :-)
    GooManager works for tdm's ROMs. You have to go through browse all.

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    07-31-2012 05:30 PM
  18. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    I would say that, yes, there is a certain percentage of people that would start taking apart their car's engine without reading. And I would also say that Koush does bear some of the responsibility, seeing as ROM Manager is said to be compatible with the Optimus V, when it is, in fact, not compatible. When you take into account the fact that he has been informed of this issue many times, and has done nothing, well, that's pretty negligent. Of course he's not obligated to support the OV, and that's not what we're asking for. He's got two options that would make us happy, and of course he's not obligated to choose either, but it would be the right thing to do.



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    So its okay for him to take their money, brick their phone and leave them with no help?

    And this isn't a small percentage.

    As to buyer beware, the Play store tells these people that it is compatible. Then soft bricks their phone after the refund period, besides, there is still the whole lack of support.

    Were aren't asking him to support it. Support it or don't, but stop taking people's money, bricking their phones and leaving us (and Virgin! ) to clean up the mess. Apps like this that are just another reason they lock down phones. Which like it or not, effects you too.
    I don't disagree with either of you, but nobody can be forced to do the "right" thing. What I wonder is this (and I've never looked into it) is if Google can do something about it, or even would care, that an app is causing people to brick phones.

    I'm also wondering what level of support you expect from him (or app dev's as a whole). Couldn't this theoretically be chalked up to the "fragmentation" of Android?
    07-31-2012 05:50 PM
  19. thewraith420's Avatar
    I don't disagree with either of you, but nobody can be forced to do the "right" thing. What I wonder is this (and I've never looked into it) is if Google can do something about it, or even would care, that an app is causing people to brick phones.

    I'm also wondering what level of support you expect from him (or app dev's as a whole). Couldn't this theoretically be chalked up to the "fragmentation" of Android?
    I'd be happy if all that happened was him listing the OV as unsupported incompatible

    Tapatalk'n it from my VM670 running LS670ZVJ Dante Rom
    07-31-2012 05:54 PM
  20. flapjack.fiasco's Avatar
    I don't disagree with either of you, but nobody can be forced to do the "right" thing. What I wonder is this (and I've never looked into it) is if Google can do something about it, or even would care, that an app is causing people to brick phones.

    I'm also wondering what level of support you expect from him (or app dev's as a whole). Couldn't this theoretically be chalked up to the "fragmentation" of Android?
    No, you're right, no one can be forced to do the right thing. But public entities can be persuaded with the right approach. Bad PR is not what he wants.

    I've definitely considered looking into how Google can intercede, but I think it's appropriate give Koush (yet another) opportunity to fix it first.

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    07-31-2012 06:18 PM
  21. flapjack.fiasco's Avatar
    Also, I don't like the idea of peoples' phones getting bricked being chalked up to anything or anybody other than the responsible party. In this case, that would be Koush. And I understand that fragmentation plays a part, but he can fix it, in one of two very easy to implement ways.

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    07-31-2012 06:23 PM
  22. LeslieAnn's Avatar
    I'm also wondering what level of support you expect from him (or app dev's as a whole). Couldn't this theoretically be chalked up to the "fragmentation" of Android?
    Fragmentation or not, we aren't asking him to make a new recovery, or change the app or even fix the phones, just for him to do something.... Anything. Other than take peoples money and brick phones.

    Asking him to mark it incompatible isn't asking for a lot of support.


    I know you want to give him the benefit of doubt, but I'm long past that point as I watched this play out over half a dozen times over the last year.
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    07-31-2012 06:53 PM
  23. sellers86's Avatar
    I tweeted to him again because there was another thread. He said "how exactly is a black screen a brick?" So I explained again and I am waiting on a reply.

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    07-31-2012 07:05 PM
  24. anthonycr's Avatar
    I'd be happy if all that happened was him listing the OV as unsupported incompatible

    Tapatalk'n it from my VM670 running LS670ZVJ Dante Rom
    But how does he just make it incompatible... there is no setting (as far as I'm aware) on the developer console that allows blocking of certain devices. It reads your manifest and decides what devices fit into the category. I also don't even think if there's a way in the manifest to cause the app to not work on the OV. It seems to me that the only way would be for him to hard code into the app when it checks the phone's build.prop that it won't work and abort... that said, I doubt he wants to put that in because it will just cause the people that bought the app for their incompatible phone to complain and rant. It seems like its a whole cycle of problems that he's just ignoring.
    07-31-2012 07:11 PM
  25. sellers86's Avatar
    But how does he just make it incompatible... there is no setting (as far as I'm aware) on the developer console that allows blocking of certain devices. It reads your manifest and decides what devices fit into the category. I also don't even think if there's a way in the manifest to cause the app to not work on the OV. It seems to me that the only way would be for him to hard code into the app when it checks the phone's build.prop that it won't work and abort... that said, I doubt he wants to put that in because it will just cause the people that bought the app for their incompatible phone to complain and rant. It seems like its a whole cycle of problems that he's just ignoring.
    I'm just asking that he removes the recovery. Easy enough.

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    07-31-2012 07:30 PM
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