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  1. Eollie's Avatar
    does anyone know how to fix the wifi so it doesnt turn off everytime i lock my phone... It gets annoying because i get many notifications through wifi but it auto closes everytime i lock it.. I do have an auto killer app but i dont know if that affects that
    First off get rid of the auto killer app. Use a shortcut on your screen to the built in app manager. I dont care what anybody tells you With the new builds of android those apps are useless.
    02-09-2012 10:05 PM
  2. colonelcack's Avatar
    I only have 44 apps and a lot are on my sdcard and I only have 38MB free...how do I do a full wipe without losing all my stuff?
    02-09-2012 11:01 PM
  3. anthonycr's Avatar
    I only have 44 apps and a lot are on my sdcard and I only have 38MB free...how do I do a full wipe without losing all my stuff?
    That's like asking "how do I jump into a pool without getting wet"
    the answer: very carefully

    Only way to do a full wipe and not lose your apla is to back them up with something like titanium backup before wiping everything. Wiling will erase you gmail account stuff though, but that's minor.
    02-09-2012 11:11 PM
  4. colonelcack's Avatar
    That's like asking "how do I jump into a pool without getting wet"
    the answer: very carefully

    Only way to do a full wipe and not lose your apla is to back them up with something like titanium backup before wiping everything. Wiling will erase you gmail account stuff though, but that's minor.
    I would still lose all my app settings though wouldn't I?
    02-09-2012 11:16 PM
  5. anthonycr's Avatar
    I would still lose all my app settings though wouldn't I?
    I don't think you do if you backup and restore the data too. Titanium automatically backs up the data too.
    02-09-2012 11:23 PM
  6. LeslieAnn's Avatar
    I just noticed you had a EVO, and a semi-retired V, so will you be leaving us soon?
    The OV is only semi-retired because it will be used to build/test Harmonia and it's a backup in case the Evo ever has issues.

    So no, I'm not leaving.

    At the same time, don't expect a flood of updates on either version of Harmonia. I prefer to wait for something significant before I update once I get one that runs well. Plus, Harmonia is about simplicity.

    Well when you put it that way... I technically am running my own rom. I take jerrys backside rom, tear it open and replace some system files (like adw with my own modified stock) and theme up the status icons and drop down to be a little nicer looking. I guess what I should have said is that I can't build from source code like jerry does at most I would be making a rip-off rom of someone elses... unless that counts.
    Depends.
    Aphrodite was a modded Stock + Xionia (that started out exactly with what you are doing), but by the time it was released, it was more a continuation of a rom rather than just a new rom (the original dev went back to school). Harmonious Bumblebee's creator considers it a mod I think, but it was an original idea and it is technically a rom you can install.

    It just depends where you draw the line, but something to consider is that we don't need 50 roms all with just minor changes. We have several IHO roms, but they all fit a niche. If someone took one and just changed the launcher I think most would consider it more of a pure IHO rom and others would simply frown on it.
    02-09-2012 11:32 PM
  7. JerryScript's Avatar
    The amount of skill and learning depends on your method of building it.
    Most of my roms were built by messing around with previously built roms, just copy files in and out of the zip and re-sign it. Most Froyo roms were built that way. This method can be as simple or difficult as you decide to make it.

    Building IHO isn't hard, it's learning how to modify it and get the build to start that is difficult, but there is nothing to stop you from building a stock IHO build and then using the previously mentioned method, which is exactly how Harmonia is built these days using a Mrg666 generic IHO build.

    Time in another variable.
    Adding or removing an app or two is quick and easy, 2 minutes, including re-signing. The deeper you go, the longer it takes and the more trouble shooting it requires.


    All of that often pales in comparison to the amount of time you spend supporting others using it.
    I think it can be broken down into three or four categories:

    1- Building from source - can be either straight from source with no modifications, or you can do as little or as much modifying of the source code as you like. With or without modifications, you are still standing on the backs of giants!

    2- Creating a ROM package - can be as simple as a stock ROM with root added, to as extreme as replacing 40% of the apks and 40-50% of the libs. This is partially how LeslieAnn works, though she builds from source first. Once again, you are still standing on the backs of giants!

    3- Creating a Themed ROM - similar to 2 above, this invloves taking a complete ROM package, and altering mostly visual elements (launchers, icons, etc). While not considered a truly separate ROM, it is one of the most popular methods of ROM creation out there, since anyone can do it with a very slight learning curve. One more time, you are standing on the backs of giants, with help from some others as well (launcher devs ect)!

    4- Re-writing from scratch - I think the last person to truly do this was Linus Torvalds, and even he actually built Linux from Unix, though it was the most complete rewrite in tech history. This is a case of a giant standing on the back of other giants!

    The point I'm trying to make here, is that Android is open source. All the details needed to create apps, mods, and fully functioning ROMs are available to anyone. So for me to say "No you can't do that with BACKside" would be like Linus telling Ubuntu to back off! For those not familiar with these names, it would be like the creator of ice cream telling Ben & Jerry to stop making new flavors!

    I belive it has been stated several times in this and other IHO threads: the more the merrier!
    02-10-2012 12:10 AM
  8. JerryScript's Avatar
    For those with screen freezes which we believe are due to the new rotation animations, please try this:

    Settings>>Display>>Animations>>No animations

    And/or

    Settings>>Display>>Auto-rotate screen

    Let me know if this prevents the freezes, that way we can pretty much be sure it's the rotation animation causing the issue.
    02-10-2012 01:13 AM
  9. LeslieAnn's Avatar
    The point I'm trying to make here, is that Android is open source. All the details needed to create apps, mods, and fully functioning ROMs are available to anyone. So for me to say "No you can't do that with BACKside" would be like Linus telling Ubuntu to back off! For those not familiar with these names, it would be like the creator of ice cream telling Ben & Jerry to stop making new flavors!
    I started out using mostly method 2, then went to #1, and now I am mostly back to #2, though, it's source is basically still #1 only provided by a 3rd party. Anyone's head spinning yet?


    As for what I quoted, yes and no.
    To simply take Backside and make it their own would be a bit wrong, especially if they didn't acknowledge it. To build from your source would be fine. Ubuntu doesn't take Linus's entire install and mod it, they build from the source that Linus purposely released for that purpose. Same with Backside, they have the right to your code, that doesn't mean they necessarily have full rights to just take a Backside rom and do what they want. On the other hand, even #1 is standing on the back of giants, because you are still using code from others, in this case IHO, which is Android, which uses Java and Linux, the latter of which was based on Unix, the former based on C (I think).

    And actually the creator of ice cream could do that, if he had patented the idea in the last 50 years or so.


    With that out of the way, why are we discussing Peanuts and ice cream?
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    02-10-2012 01:15 AM
  10. JerryScript's Avatar
    With that out of the way, why are we discussing Peanuts and ice cream?
    Is CS or DQ open this late? I suddenly got an urge!
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    02-10-2012 01:51 AM
  11. loug614's Avatar
    I'm having a bit of a problem, if there is no solution, it's alright but let me know if there is, I'm running the latest Backside IHO JerryScritps version (Big fan), and every time there is a new update I always think that update is going to fix it but I guess it hasn't been brought to light or something, when I get phone calls, my phone doesn't play the ringtone I set, is there any solution to this? Thank you in advance.
    02-10-2012 05:13 AM
  12. crickie's Avatar
    This last OTA went very smooth in both my OV's ( and old novatec & a new Hitachi ). I downloaded both while traveling and they're working great! This rom just keeps getting better & better. Thanks as always!
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    02-10-2012 06:10 AM
  13. kwknott's Avatar
    I'm having a bit of a problem, if there is no solution, it's alright but let me know if there is, I'm running the latest Backside IHO JerryScritps version (Big fan), and every time there is a new update I always think that update is going to fix it but I guess it hasn't been brought to light or something, when I get phone calls, my phone doesn't play the ringtone I set, is there any solution to this? Thank you in advance.
    There should be no issues with ringtones in Backside. I have it running on my OV and don't have any problems.

    Are you trying to use a built-in ringtone or one that you loaded?
    If using one you loaded have you tried built-in ones?
    When you get a call does a different ringtone play besides the one you selected or do you get nothing at all?

    It sounds like you may have a bad file somewhere that might require a full wipe and flash but give some more info and maybe it's something that can be fixed.
    02-10-2012 07:26 AM
  14. Glenar's Avatar
    Here you go

    Jerry,

    I saw that you used this link in another forum. Constantly reworded, this could easily become your most used response, and maybe perhaps should be. However, thanks for not doing so. Thanks for your good work and your patience with us.
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    02-10-2012 08:02 AM
  15. anthonycr's Avatar
    I started out using mostly method 2, then went to #1, and now I am mostly back to #2, though, it's source is basically still #1 only provided by a 3rd party. Anyone's head spinning yet?


    As for what I quoted, yes and no.
    To simply take Backside and make it their own would be a bit wrong, especially if they didn't acknowledge it. To build from your source would be fine. Ubuntu doesn't take Linus's entire install and mod it, they build from the source that Linus purposely released for that purpose. Same with Backside, they have the right to your code, that doesn't mean they necessarily have full rights to just take a Backside rom and do what they want. On the other hand, even #1 is standing on the back of giants, because you are still using code from others, in this case IHO, which is Android, which uses Java and Linux, the latter of which was based on Unix, the former based on C (I think).

    And actually the creator of ice cream could do that, if he had patented the idea in the last 50 years or so.


    With that out of the way, why are we discussing Peanuts and ice cream?
    I think if I decided to start one it would be more of #2 and #3, since I've been replacing system files for quite a while like that. What my idea is is to retain alot of modification like backside has, but get as close to stock as harmonia has, since there's a bunch of stuff I dont use in backside, and I switch out with other stuff. Also I I like the stock look, but I made it way more colorful on my phone, it looks artsy, and I combined some awesome wallpapers together in the launcher as well as theme that too. Stock launcher just seems more stable and less cluttered with options like adw.

    Basically I want to exchange apps and theme to make something professional looking and clean. Eventually I'm going to build from source, but the only pc at my disposal for a while is my dads windows 7 and I don't think he'd be too thrilled if I partitioned his hard drive and installed linux on him
    02-10-2012 08:58 AM
  16. mrg666's Avatar
    For those with screen freezes which we believe are due to the new rotation animations, please try this:

    Settings>>Display>>Animations>>No animations

    And/or

    Settings>>Display>>Auto-rotate screen

    Let me know if this prevents the freezes, that way we can pretty much be sure it's the rotation animation causing the issue.
    I think that problem is fixed in the CM repo recently. I will build this weekend with the latest fixes released. Can I include your charging fix as well?
    02-10-2012 09:08 AM
  17. mrg666's Avatar
    Depends on his reason for building.
    My roms have always been based around what I wanted, if others liked them, great. His are probably similar. It may sound selfish, but considering the effort put into them, there is nothing selfish about it.
    Did I post this? I feel like speaking to myself while reading your post.

    Regarding the frequently discussed space problems. Here is my experience
    I have been using Link2SD since the very beginning. I have never seen any space problem with Market or any other applications. On one of the OV's that my son uses, there are several games with larger than 20MB app size. They are moved to /sdext and linked back to /data with link2sd together with their libraries and dalvik-cache. There is also no problem.

    With link2sd, the apps are installed directly to internal space first. After this, link2sd moves the app to /sdext and link back to /data. If the installation is an app upgrade and app was in /sdext already, link2sd does this automatically after the installation in the internal memory. Otherwise for a new app, the user either needs to do the linking manually (this is what I do) or set link2sd to do this for every new application. I think Android has no problems with link2sd since apps go to internal memory first. There are ~60 apps downloaded on my phone and the free internal app space is ~150MB. 150 MB is probably sufficient to install any app that can run on the OV.
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    02-10-2012 09:14 AM
  18. Eollie's Avatar
    Jerry regarding trying to fix the low space issue. MGR states some very good arguemnts for using *2sd applications/scripts.

    I will say this if a phone only comes with minimal internal space the rom devs are recommending using a *2sd script/application. The devs for my SGS4G are building the stuff into the rom as much as possible. People just have to understand how to update. I know there are tons and tons of guides on the different *2sd applications and such and they can be confusing. My suggestion is you pick one (you being the dev cooking the rom) and tell people look this is the one I support any others you have to learn how to update using them. Most of the time updating roms are simple and you just need to relink/recreate the scripts.

    Initially I was using data2ext and I never could update. But I recently figured out what I was doing wrong. Now I feel comfortable just updating and not having a issue. The biggest thing is data2ext will move stuff you might not want moved like the market app and such. But once I figured out it was my script not updating (read me not updating it) everything is fine now.

    I want to throw something out there. This is for the more advanced people that are very comfortable with doing nandroids and possiblly having to do a complete wipe reinstall. There is a way to do complete new installs and save your data. IE apps and such. If you are interested please just PM me. Im not going to post instructions here as Im sure it will give the devs headaches trying to problem solve.
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    02-10-2012 10:19 AM
  19. norwoodsteel's Avatar
    Did I post this? I feel like speaking to myself while reading your post.

    Regarding the frequently discussed space problems. Here is my experience
    I have been using Link2SD since the very beginning. I have never seen any space problem with Market or any other applications. On one of the OV's that my son uses, there are several games with larger than 20MB app size. They are moved to /sdext and linked back to /data with link2sd together with their libraries and dalvik-cache. There is also no problem.

    With link2sd, the apps are installed directly to internal space first. After this, link2sd moves the app to /sdext and link back to /data. If the installation is an app upgrade and app was in /sdext already, link2sd does this automatically after the installation in the internal memory. Otherwise for a new app, the user either needs to do the linking manually (this is what I do) or set link2sd to do this for every new application. I think Android has no problems with link2sd since apps go to internal memory first. There are ~60 apps downloaded on my phone and the free internal app space is ~150MB. 150 MB is probably sufficient to install any app that can run on the OV.
    ditto on link2sd
    i flash all the IHO roms as they are updated with no space or other problems.
    the problems with with link2sd [i read all forums] appear to be user related.
    jru likes this.
    02-10-2012 10:24 AM
  20. frostyon420's Avatar
    For those with screen freezes which we believe are due to the new rotation animations, please try this:

    Settings>>Display>>Animations>>No animations

    And/or

    Settings>>Display>>Auto-rotate screen

    Let me know if this prevents the freezes, that way we can pretty much be sure it's the rotation animation causing the issue.


    By freezing u mean?....... I ask because what my phone does is freeze the screen BUT the app still runs in the background. When I press the lock button it locks but when I unlock it it resumes to the same state as when I locked it.....no functions and only way I can power it off is by pulling the battery. I love the rom so far and aside from a small Google search widget bug and the freezing issue its a wonderful rom
    02-10-2012 11:57 AM
  21. Boobs Dylan's Avatar
    By freezing u mean?....... I ask because what my phone does is freeze the screen BUT the app still runs in the background. When I press the lock button it locks but when I unlock it it resumes to the same state as when I locked it.....no functions and only way I can power it off is by pulling the battery. I love the rom so far and aside from a small Google search widget bug and the freezing issue its a wonderful rom
    I'm experiencing the same issue. I've turned off all animations but not screen rotation.
    02-10-2012 12:12 PM
  22. JerryScript's Avatar
    We think CM has a fix that we can pull in for the screen freeze issue. Next builds will have the fix, so everyone can test.
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    02-10-2012 01:28 PM
  23. mrg666's Avatar
    I have uploaded the 02102012 build of MiRaGe with the following changes after syncing with CM repo. These are mainly fixes that could help with the freeze problems reported, please report back if they help.

    - Don't animate rotations when screen is off
    - Unfreeze display even if screen is off.
    - Improve scrolling cache (ported from ICS)

    I have tested on my phone and did not see any problems.
    Please thank/donate to Blarf, Bob, Jerry, tdm, LeslieAnn, thekraven, bigsupersquid, Whyzor, and the CM team. Enjoy!
    02-10-2012 02:01 PM
  24. frostyon420's Avatar
    We think CM has a fix that we can pull in for the screen freeze issue. Next builds will have the fix, so everyone can test.

    Any way to incorporate a fix without an update. Something more of a patch
    02-10-2012 07:11 PM
  25. itsrayray's Avatar
    i just encountered the sideways freeze thing.

    And.... i was like wtf..... so i kept tapping the screen like a madman thinking something was gonna f/c. And kept vibrating when i hit a certain part of the screen. Come to find out it was showing boat browser with an "invisible" lock screen. Where it was vibrating i slid across the screen and unlocked it

    hope this helps someone!

    Sent from your mom's phone.
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    02-10-2012 09:22 PM
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