1. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    For anyone who still cares about my thoughts on N5 vs the Moto X, I am actually going to go against the majority here and say that the Moto X is not an upgrade over the Nexus 5, except for in a few areas.

    What the Moto X clearly does better is GPS strength, loud speaker, and build quality. The GPS locks on (and stays locked on) very quickly and very well during Map and Navigation use. The loud speaker, while disappointingly only mono, is clear and the volume gets very high up there -- probably my favorite improvement over the Nexus 5 (the N5 speaker is pathetic). Build quality requires no explanation; Moto Maker is fun and the device looks and feels great.

    As for things that "break-even" in my opinion: The screen; the Moto X additional features (I will explain); and battery life.

    The screen - this is really a matter of preference between AMOLED and LCD. Personally, I like LCD better. The whites look better and since most web browsing websites are black text over white background, I find LCD to be better suited. Colors definitely do pop a little better on AMOLED, but at the same time, colors on LCD screen look more realistic and "proper" for lack of a better word. I can understand why people might prefer AMOLED, however. Like I said, this is more a matter of preference. AMOLD, to me, just looks gloomier, somehow. Also, I dislike having to worry about bright/dark colors in relation to battery life. This is a real bummer, in my opinion.

    Moto X Features - at first, these were great, but I started taking up issue. I don't really use Assist so please keep that in mind. As for Actions, Voice, and Display, they are nice features and a great attempt and making the device more user-friendly, but in my opinion, ultimately don't make or break the decision between a Moto X and a Nexus 5. Yes, Voice is great, but you have to say your keyword so specifically to get it going. And yes, Action/Display is fine, but they're not must-haves. I can more or less mimic similar features on the Nexus 5 with third party apps (Notifier Pro, in particular is something that I think is better than Moto Display). I wish Motorola would allow an option that lets the Display show more details than just an icon when it first lights up. I wish I didn't always have to press on the icon just to see who it's from. I'd love to be able to see additional info right away. Again, to be clear, I'm not knocking on these features, and they are actually quite nice. My point here is to say that they're not must-have features if you're really on the fence between the X/N5.

    Battery life - It's not too early for me to say the battery life is about on-par with the Nexus 5. It might be slightly better here and there because of slightly better signal strength, but it's not enough to make a difference. If you're going out at night, you'll have to juice it up a bit. Again, not necessarily a knock, and as I said, at times it seems to be a hair better, but it's not enough to make any sort of decision-making difference.



    Now, at last, we come to what I think are the real deal-breakers:

    Camera - To put it simply: the camera is abysmal. I know most reviews and feedback say it's either on par with the competition, or decent, or slightly better than the Nexus 5, but my experience is anything but any of that. My photos (regular and HDR, auto-focus and manual-focus) result in noisy, blurry, grainy, poor quality pictures. Under good lighting, it's better, of course, but that's not saying much. Indoors (even in well lit rooms) the camera suffers terribly. The auto-focus is slow and entirely unreliable. You have to really struggle to get a good shot off. The camera is hit or miss with a lot more misses before you'll get hits. And even the hits are subpar. In my opinion, this is regrettably a deal-breaking issue with this phone. This is unacceptable for a 2014 device, even if it may be priced slightly lower than the competition.

    So how's the camera compared to the Nexus 5? That's the main question here. And the answer is that it is worse. Sometimes far worse. The Nexus 5 camera, despite getting a bad rap early on, is actually really decent (dare I even say, good). HDR Nexus 5 photos, especially, blow HDR Moto X photos out of the water. HDR Nexus 5 photos are crisp, clear, with colors well represented, while the HDR Moto X photos still show a dreadful amount of grain. Look at just these examples:

    Moto X vs Nexus 5 - My Thoughts-mx.jpg

    Moto X vs Nexus 5 - My Thoughts-n5.jpg

    I'll let you guess which one is which.


    Touch-response - So this one might be more obscure, but is it me or is the touch screen somewhat less responsive to slides? It's especially apparent in Flipboard where you slide left-to-right to exit an article and to navigate around the menus... something about the Moto X doesn't register slides as quickly as it does on the Nexus 5. It keeps clicking into and opening articles instead of sliding. It's as if the phone registers my slide as a touch. This happens once in a while in the App Drawer too. When I'm sliding between pages, sometimes it'll actually open the app that my finger starts the slide on. I'm not sliding fast nor slow. Just sliding normally. I'm not sure if this is a software or hardware issue. It's an oddity, but I just know it does not happen on my Nexus 5. It just seems to understand slides a lot slower than my Nexus 5. Is this an AMOLED vs LCD issue? I don't know, but it makes the device frustrating to use.

    No Wireless Charging -- not much to elaborate on here. It's a damn shame there is no wireless charging built in. This is a lovely feature of the Nexus 5. Wireless charging isn't so much about ease of charging, but the fact that your battery is always being "topped off" every time you set it down on your charger, especially if you have a few lying around the house/work, etc. It's a sorely missed feature.


    Anyway, I'm still undecided on whether I'll keep the Moto X, but it's looking like I might return it, and stick it out with my Nexus 5. There are many things to complain about the Nexus 5 (weak speakers, weak GPS/Radio strengths, inconsistent battery), but given the fact that I paid about $550+ dollars for the Moto X, the upgrades should be more significant, and there should really be no steps backwards (the camera).

    So, I say again that my opinions based off my side to side experience of the Moto X and the Nexus 5 is that the Moto X is not as big of an upgrade over the Nexus 5 as others have said. I'd go as far to say it's a downgrade given the value/price you have to pay. It may not have been worth the $550+ dollars I paid for to switch. I am considering a return. There's more I can probably say, but I'll leave it there as I think that touches on the main key points everyone always wonders about between the two devices.

    Hope that helps anyone wondering. Happy to answer any questions, as well.

    TL/DR: What the Moto X does better than the Nexus 5, it does better marginally. What it does worse, it does much worse. It likely isn't worth the "upgrade."
    dirtyjudo and planoman like this.
    11-19-2014 04:11 PM
  2. Green_Laser's Avatar
    well it's nice you could share your opinion, and for someone (you) who's coming from a not new but not old phone (N5) to the new X, $550 is a lot to drop, I can understand you. The upgrades can be slim. On the contrary, for me to come from an old device like the Tbolt to the new X is like "Yeeehaaaaw!", and I too bought it off contract, so I understand you

    I will ask, have you had a chance to go to the play store and look for all the moto apps so that they get updated?
    and, have you received the sensors firmware?
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    11-19-2014 07:55 PM
  3. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    well it's nice you could share your opinion, and for someone (you) who's coming from a not new but not old phone (N5) to the new X, $550 is a lot to drop, I can understand you. The upgrades can be slim. On the contrary, for me to come from an old device like the Tbolt to the new X is like "Yeeehaaaaw!", and I too bought it off contract, so I understand you

    I will ask, have you had a chance to go to the play store and look for all the moto apps so that they get updated?
    and, have you received the sensors firmware?
    Would the Moto apps automatically be "installed" on my Moto X? Or would I need to install them to see the updates? For what it's worth, when I'm in the Play Store, all my apps are up to date.

    What sensor firmware? I am very interested because I desperately want to like this phone. Please elaborate?
    11-19-2014 08:52 PM
  4. grover5's Avatar
    As someone who has had the nexus 5 for about 3 months now I can say I think its a great device. The lollipop update is a big part of that. But I did consider a moto x. I just didn't see it as an upgrade for how I use my phone. And I don't want to lose wireless charging.

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    11-19-2014 09:15 PM
  5. Krolt's Avatar
    I will be very honest. I love my phone. It's better slightly in every area than my old phone.
    Which was a Nexus 4!
    Biggy for me is LTE.
    But if my Nexus hadn't needed a battery change I would not have bothered TBH.
    I also had and sold a Nexus 5.
    Great phone but its not and doesn't claim to be top flight. Need to add £100/ £200 to the price for one that is.
    Its a great value for money phone.
    Personally, I still use my camera for taking photos.
    11-19-2014 10:45 PM
  6. Krolt's Avatar
    I received 6 moto updates and the sensor firmware update this morning BTW.
    11-19-2014 10:48 PM
  7. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    How can I check if I have the latest firmware? And the latest moto apps? Again, all my APS in the play store are up to date and there are no updates on my "settings > system update" area either.
    11-19-2014 11:13 PM
  8. Green_Laser's Avatar
    How can I check if I have the latest firmware? And the latest moto apps? Again, all my APS in the play store are up to date and there are no updates on my "settings > system update" area either.
    If all apps updated that good, you should now see Moto Display show you (upto) 3 notifications on the lockscreen instead of 1.

    About the firmware update for sensors, mine showed up a few days after activating phone, I'm sure I didn't force it, and I wouldn't know how. However, to see if you're on latest version, to compare, my version is: 2.53.0
    (this is the version to 'Motorola Sensor Services' found in system>apps>all>app info, if that's what updated as I'm thinking)

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    11-19-2014 11:24 PM
  9. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    If all apps updated that good, you should now see Moto Display show you (upto) 3 notifications on the lockscreen instead of 1.

    About the firmware update for sensors, mine showed up a few days after activating phone, I'm sure I didn't force it, and I wouldn't know how. However, to see if you're on latest version, to compare, my version is: 2.53.0
    (this is the version to 'Motorola Sensor Services' found in system>apps>all>app info, if that's what updated as I'm thinking)

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    Interesting! My version is showing 2.29.2.

    Was there a major difference in camera performance after the new sensor update? I am eager to get it. Wish I knew how to...

    Are you using your device in the USA?
    11-19-2014 11:42 PM
  10. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    I think the fact that the nexus 5 has optical image stabilizer really helps the quality. Whereas the lack of it in the moto x really hurts it.

    Again, this makes Mr reevaluate the with of the $550 dollar "upgrade" from the nexus 5 to the moto x...
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    11-19-2014 11:53 PM
  11. Green_Laser's Avatar
    Interesting! My version is showing 2.29.2.

    Was there a major difference in camera performance after the new sensor update? I am eager to get it. Wish I knew how to...
    I may be wrong, but I think it's only for the IR sensors. such as for waving over screen for snoozing an alarm - which does behave and work better now.


    Are you using your device in the USA?
    MIA, FL
    11-20-2014 11:42 AM
  12. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    I may be wrong, but I think it's only for the IR sensors. such as for waving over screen for snoozing an alarm - which does behave and work better now.

    Oh, I see. Well, I wasn't banking on an update to truly fix the camera.

    I tried the Google Camera from the Play Store and found that auto focus was indeed faster, but the pictures still come out dreadfully grainy and noisy. I'm beginning to think there is no helping this camera...

    My Moto X may be returned. I really want to like this device, but this is not working for me.
    11-20-2014 11:48 AM
  13. Green_Laser's Avatar
    I think the fact that the nexus 5 has optical image stabilizer really helps the quality. Whereas the lack of it in the moto x really hurts it.
    i was a little bummed when I saw new X woudn't have OIS.
    speaking of the topic, some are starting to report that their iphone 6+ pics (from the rear camera) are coming out blurry because of the OIS system.
    11-20-2014 11:52 AM
  14. YarisT8's Avatar
    I'm in the same scenario since the Nexus 6 is just too big for me and a bit pricey. It's between the Nexus 5 vs Moto X 2014. Moto X has no OIS, however Iphone 6 doesn't have it either and it still has a great camera. The Nexus 5 is cheaper a bit outdated but still competitive in today's market.
    11-22-2014 09:17 PM
  15. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    I'm in the same scenario since the Nexus 6 is just too big for me and a bit pricey. It's between the Nexus 5 vs Moto X 2014. Moto X has no OIS, however Iphone 6 doesn't have it either and it still has a great camera. The Nexus 5 is cheaper a bit outdated but still competitive in today's market.
    If you care about the camera, I say look elsewhere. The Nexus 5 camera is actually pretty good. It's gotten a few updates since the device was launched and the camera, especially in HDR mode, can capture some amazing pictures.

    The Moto X camera is very poor. I detail it in this thread in posts above. I highly recommend looking elsewhere if you care about the camera.
    12-02-2014 01:28 PM
  16. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    For anyone that cares, I've returned my Moto X. It did a few things well, but ultimately, wasn't worth the price paid to "upgrade" from the Nexus 5. In some areas, the Moto X was a straight up downgrade actually.

    I'm back on my Nexus 5 for now until the next crop of flagships come out...
    12-02-2014 01:29 PM
  17. Cant Miss's Avatar
    I actually went from Nexus 5 to Moto X 2013. For me it was call quality/speaker/cell reception (all were abysmal on the Nexus 4 and 5).

    My new Moto X gets here Friday. Not too much of an upgrade (I know), but hey... it's Christmas!
    12-02-2014 05:01 PM
  18. planoman's Avatar
    For anyone that cares, I've returned my Moto X. It did a few things well, but ultimately, wasn't worth the price paid to "upgrade" from the Nexus 5. In some areas, the Moto X was a straight up downgrade actually.

    I'm back on my Nexus 5 for now until the next crop of flagships come out...
    Thanks for your comments. I too returned the Moto x 2014. I was able to order a 64 blue nexus 6 last week from the play store so I listed my Nexus 5 and it sold in a few hours. The nexus 5 is still in demand especially if you have one in mint condition.

    Hopefully my nexus 6 works out.

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    12-02-2014 05:31 PM
  19. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    Thanks for your comments. I too returned the Moto x 2014. I was able to order a 64 blue nexus 6 last week from the play store so I listed my Nexus 5 and it sold in a few hours. The nexus 5 is still in demand especially if you have one in mint condition.

    Hopefully my nexus 6 works out.

    Posted via my OnePlus One!
    Nice! The Nexus 6 is just a bit too large for me personally. Hope you enjoy it.

    I'm not sure what phone I'll get. Hopefully 2015 brings better offerings from Android OEMs...
    12-02-2014 09:17 PM

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