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  1. llamabreath's Avatar
    Romney won Obama that election with his dumb remarks. Any politician should know that there's always someone listening..

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    Obama had PLENTY dumb remarks caught on mikes too... how soon we forget.

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    11-08-2013 05:02 PM
  2. msndrstood's Avatar
    You really hate that man. About as much as I disliked St. Ronnie, I assume.

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    11-08-2013 05:29 PM
  3. llamabreath's Avatar
    You really hate that man. About as much as I disliked St. Ronnie, I assume.

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    It takes alot for me to like ANY politician. Seriously.



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    11-08-2013 05:41 PM
  4. msndrstood's Avatar
    I'm lukewarm about most of them. Cheney, I despise though. He is Darth Vader.

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    11-08-2013 05:42 PM
  5. llamabreath's Avatar
    I'm lukewarm about most of them. Cheney, I despise though. He is Darth Vader.

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    Isn't he in Ancient History books now?

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    11-08-2013 06:11 PM
  6. msndrstood's Avatar
    Not ancient history enough, he keeps talking and talking. :banghead:

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    11-08-2013 06:13 PM
  7. llamabreath's Avatar
    Not ancient history enough, he keeps talking and talking. :banghead:

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    So does Pelosi.

    I think we can cross them both off the list.

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    11-08-2013 06:28 PM
  8. msndrstood's Avatar
    Agreed. She's not a favorite of mine either.

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    11-08-2013 06:28 PM
  9. Aquila's Avatar
    I'm lukewarm about most of them. Cheney, I despise though. He is Darth Vader.

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    Being Darth Vader is a good thing. Cheney is no Vader. He is more like some goon from a bad Twilight movie.
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    11-08-2013 08:28 PM
  10. NoYankees44's Avatar
    Agreed. She's not a favorite of mine either.

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    I'll dig a hole and we can throw Pelosi in. Help me dig and I'll let you chip in Cheney in as well...
    11-08-2013 08:38 PM
  11. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I'll dig a hole and we can throw Pelosi in. Help me dig and I'll let you chip in Cheney in as well...
    Toss the ACA in with her and not let her out until she reads it all to know what's in it?
    11-08-2013 08:50 PM
  12. Bratigan's Avatar
    The ACA was bad law from the start, simple redistribution. Regulations could have been implemented to deal with the most pressing issues such as
    preexisting conditions etc. The government could actually have subsidized the current case load of prex people and this would have been far better than
    the disaster this is shaping up to be. The facts are the congress should have been forced to read the law first with the public having great periods of time to
    debate the issue, didn't happen. Nacy Pelosi is a simpel fraud who stated that you can find out whats in the law after its passed, the president lied
    over and over again about being able to keep doctors and insurance. Repeal the law and start over, use your heads this time. Take the time to read
    and understand the law first.

    Also, the Democrats own this as the Republicans in the House did not cast a single vote in favor.
    11-10-2013 07:47 AM
  13. msndrstood's Avatar
    All I know is that my husband is self insured, he received a letter about 2 months ago from United Healthcare stating that the ACA was about to take effect and they hoped he would continue to choose UHC. No premium hike, no cancellation. Nothing changed for him at all. And he pays 278/mo.

    Everyone's experience is different. This is ours.

    Maybe if there hadn't been so much hoopla and dissent about the single payer system like Medicare (which I have and it's great) we wouldn't be here in this thread complaining about healthcare. But no, just a bunch of yapping about socialized medicine and how this nation is going to hell in a handbasket because someone dare try to change the 'system'. People want to be able to go see a doctor when they're sick without spending (in most cases not paying) thousands of dollars in ER bills every time they get sick.

    Are there problems with the ACA? Yes. Is there a rational, reasonable way to deal with and fix the parts that don't work? Yes. It's called working together and doing your job. Maybe if the naysayers would put a little effort into talking and discussing solutions instead of holding rallies, making appearances and shutting down the government to rail against the law, we might get to a better place.

    But I'm not holding out much hope.

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    11-10-2013 10:20 AM
  14. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    All I know is that my husband is self insured, he received a letter about 2 months ago from United Healthcare stating that the ACA was about to take effect and they hoped he would continue to choose UHC. No premium hike, no cancellation. Nothing changed for him at all. And he pays 278/mo.

    Everyone's experience is different. This is ours.

    Maybe if there hadn't been so much hoopla and dissent about the single payer system like Medicare (which I have and it's great) we wouldn't be here in this thread complaining about healthcare. But no, just a bunch of yapping about socialized medicine and how this nation is going to hell in a handbasket because someone dare try to change the 'system'. People want to be able to go see a doctor when they're sick without spending (in most cases not paying) thousands of dollars in ER bills every time they get sick.

    Are there problems with the ACA? Yes. Is there a rational, reasonable way to deal with and fix the parts that don't work? Yes. It's called working together and doing your job. Maybe if the naysayers would put a little effort into talking and discussing solutions instead of holding rallies, making appearances and shutting down the government to rail against the law, we might get to a better place.

    But I'm not holding out much hope.

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    Agree with you 100% that somthing needed to be done. Also agree no one else was even proposing anything. However, this bill is already hurting far more than its helping. 4.2 million have gotten cancellation notices already. This will devastate the middle class as we are the ones losing coverage and will not qualify for subsidies. Thats just the money aspect. Doctor shortages, appointment wait times and quality of care will also be issues. I personally believe healthcare would have been better off by:
    *the government not taking over completely
    *allow people to shop across state lines
    *medical savings accounts
    *I don't know how, but address the pre-existing conditions issue

    This would be a good start and much less invasive and controlling. But some of us know the ACA is about control.

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    11-10-2013 11:02 AM
  15. jaj324's Avatar
    All I know is that my husband is self insured, he received a letter about 2 months ago from United Healthcare stating that the ACA was about to take effect and they hoped he would continue to choose UHC. No premium hike, no cancellation. Nothing changed for him at all. And he pays 278/mo.

    Everyone's experience is different. This is ours.

    Maybe if there hadn't been so much hoopla and dissent about the single payer system like Medicare (which I have and it's great) we wouldn't be here in this thread complaining about healthcare. But no, just a bunch of yapping about socialized medicine and how this nation is going to hell in a handbasket because someone dare try to change the 'system'. People want to be able to go see a doctor when they're sick without spending (in most cases not paying) thousands of dollars in ER bills every time they get sick.

    Are there problems with the ACA? Yes. Is there a rational, reasonable way to deal with and fix the parts that don't work? Yes. It's called working together and doing your job. Maybe if the naysayers would put a little effort into talking and discussing solutions instead of holding rallies, making appearances and shutting down the government to rail against the law, we might get to a better place.

    But I'm not holding out much hope.

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    We won't get to a better place until the 3 stooges are out of office. Obama , Pelosi and Reid. Currently the country is getting exactly what the country deserves. Horrible government caused by electing clueless liberals.

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    11-10-2013 12:32 PM
  16. msndrstood's Avatar
    Or Cruz, Boehner and Cantor and McConnell.

    It goes both ways.

    How about addressing the problem instead of complaining about it. Where is the health plan from the Republicans?

    Maybe Alan Grayson was right about the Republican plan; get sick and die quickly.


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    11-10-2013 01:26 PM
  17. pappy53's Avatar
    Maybe if the naysayers would put a little effort into talking and discussing solutions instead of holding rallies, making appearances and shutting down the government to rail against the law, we might get to a better place.
    Maybe if the democrats hadn't gotten together in the middle of the night and passed a law that the MAJORITY OF U.S.CITIZENS DON'T WANT, we might get to a better place. I had a great (not junk) BCBS policy and paid 450/month. Now a comparable Obummercare platinum policy will cost me 655 AFTER subsidy. What is fair about that? Why shouldn't I have been allowed to make the choice to keep my old plan? The liberals do not know what is best for me.
    11-10-2013 02:54 PM
  18. msndrstood's Avatar
    Like I said, my husband's policy didn't change, I would ask your insurance company why yours did. And the calling the president obummer is really getting old.

    And btw, did you have a platinum policy before? If so, I doubt you would have been made to change it.

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    11-10-2013 02:56 PM
  19. Aquila's Avatar
    Maybe if the democrats hadn't gotten together in the middle of the night and passed a law that the MAJORITY OF U.S.CITIZENS DON'T WANT, we might get to a better place.
    So, many laws are passed that way... Federal Reserve, patriot act, etc. This wasn't really one of them. If you recall, we as the public were debating this, as was Congress, through most if 2009.

    The bill wasn't passed without Congress reading it, as people claim when they misrepresent Pelosi's out of context statement. Rather the opposite... it was hotly debated in chambers, in the media, in campuses, coffee shops and bars and in homes around the globe prior to the final votes.

    There is still a difference between myths (talking points usually) and actual history. What's the real reason for all of the lies about this? Does hating it so much justify destruction at all costs? I can't stand the ACA either, but I'm not about to dishonor myself by repeating all of the lies about it.



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    11-10-2013 03:10 PM
  20. pappy53's Avatar
    Like I said, my husband's policy didn't change, I would ask your insurance company why yours did. And the calling the president obummer is really getting old.

    And btw, did you have a platinum policy before? If so, I doubt you would have been made to change it.



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    Yeah, I have a platinum coverage now. But my copay is going up $10, so it will no longer be grandfathered. They made the "grandfather" restrictions so restrictive that basically no plan can be grandfathered, and that is more Obummer BS.
    And you're right, I shouldn't call him Obummer. I should call him a liar. "If you want to keep your healthcare plan, then you can keep it. PERIOD". What about that statement is not a bald-faced lie, no matter how you spin it? Especially when it was discovered that they knew it was a lie, and decided to keep telling it anyway. If the truth had been told, Americans would have raised so much cain that the law would have never passed, and then the election results may have been different.
    11-10-2013 03:15 PM
  21. Mooncatt's Avatar
    He probably didn't have maternity coverage, et al.

    On a related note, anyone else listen to the hearing the other day where the congresswoman asked Sebilious when the was last time she heard of a man having a baby? I didn't see it, but could almost feel the director's face heat up through the radio.
    11-10-2013 03:17 PM
  22. msndrstood's Avatar
    And Bush lied too. And Clinton. And Daddy Bush. And St. Ronnie. And Nixon and on and on. So? Everyone lies.

    Like I said, ask your insurance company why. You guys never want to blame big business for anything.



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    11-10-2013 03:19 PM
  23. Aquila's Avatar
    What about that statement is not a bald-faced lie, no matter how you spin it?
    This has been explained a few times now... by officials, tons of media analysis, within these forums... I'm not really sure what the answer you're looking for is.

    If the truth had been told, Americans would have raised so much cain that the law would have never passed
    If any member of Congress did not read the analysis about how grandfathering would impact everything, they are derelict in their responsibilities to represent their Country, State and Constituents.

    and then the election results may have been different.
    Those opposed already did vote against the president's 2nd term, it didn't work. The electoral result would have required a major swing of democrats who either declined to vote at all, or voted for republicans, in 4 key states, in order to have any impact on the final tally.

    And you're right, I shouldn't call him Obummer. I should call him a liar.
    I think they're asking you to rise above name calling and make points based on facts (not fox), rather than incessantly repeating talking points, especially after those talking points have been proven to be false, horribly misleading and damaging to an honest debate.
    11-10-2013 03:25 PM
  24. pappy53's Avatar
    Like I said, ask your insurance company why. You guys never want to blame big business for anything.
    I told you why. And liberals never want to blame Oliar for anything.
    11-10-2013 03:26 PM
  25. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    There was a reason for obamacare to start this late in his second term. They knew this was coming and wanted BO to be re-elected before the effects and potentially(now true) disastrous rollout took place.

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    11-10-2013 03:31 PM
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