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  1. mrsmumbles's Avatar


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    You like the conspiracies channel? Considering 9/11 happened, I doubt Gore would have done better than Bush. Maybe there wouldn't have been the PATRIOT Act but there's no way to know. The government has been spying on us since the 1950s, they've just gotten a lot better at it.

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    12-06-2013 09:19 PM
  2. alexlam24's Avatar
    You like the conspiracies channel? Considering 9/11 happened, I doubt Gore would have done better than Bush. Maybe there wouldn't have been the PATRIOT Act but there's no way to know. The government has been spying on us since the 1950s, they've just gotten a lot better at it.

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    Bush made 9/11 happen just as an excuse to invade a country. He had ties to Al Quaeda in the 90s

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    12-06-2013 10:33 PM
  3. mrsmumbles's Avatar
    Bush made 9/11 happen just as an excuse to invade a country. He had ties to Al Quaeda in the 90s

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    Conspiracy stuff can be convincing; doesn't mean it's true. I seriously dislike Bush but I'm pretty sure that isn't true.

    They were planning to hit us for a very long time. They tried in '93, but the blast wasn't as powerful as they wanted.

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    12-06-2013 10:54 PM
  4. alexlam24's Avatar
    Conspiracy stuff can be convincing; doesn't mean it's true. I seriously dislike Bush but I'm pretty sure that isn't true.

    They were planning to hit us for a very long time. They tried in '93, but the blast wasn't as powerful as they wanted.

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    Well you could say they had a blast. The party was the bomb.

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    12-06-2013 11:33 PM
  5. pappy53's Avatar
    Well, Obama's approval rating is the second worst in history now, only ahead of Nixon. And a budget deal was passed today, but it contains retirement cuts for military veterans, including the disabled. The Republicans tried to pass an amendment to not include these cuts, but Harry Reid wouldn't allow it to be introduced in the Senate.
    A federal judge ruled today that Obama was trying to rule by "secret law", as it was found out that he was hiding certain documents from public view. This, plus changing Obamacare as he sees fit, without congressional approval, doesn't bode well for him. He is on a sinking ship.

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    12-18-2013 09:30 PM
  6. Scott7217's Avatar
    Well, Obama's approval rating is the second worst in history now, only ahead of Nixon.
    Nixon resigned, so it's probably inevitable that Obama will, too. They'll probably need to change the Oval Office stationery to read "President Joe Biden" soon.
    12-18-2013 09:35 PM
  7. alexlam24's Avatar
    Well, Obama's approval rating is the second worst in history now, only ahead of Nixon. And a budget deal was passed today, but it contains retirement cuts for military veterans, including the disabled. The Republicans tried to pass an amendment to not include these cuts, but Harry Reid wouldn't allow it to be introduced in the Senate.
    A federal judge ruled today that Obama was trying to rule by "secret law", as it was found out that he was hiding certain documents from public view. This, plus changing Obamacare as he sees fit, without congressional approval, doesn't bode well for him. He is on a sinking ship.

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    As if our country couldn't get any worse.... I know that we can make positive change, but the government isn't exactly the best at being a people person. Wanna protest outside the whitehouse? The government is going to have fun making it all go horribly wrong. We need a department of common sense. If the past 3 presidents have failed to make affordable healthcare, what makes Obama think he can do it? He has absolutely no experience with the real world. Bowing to the Japanese PM? Even North Korea respects good old Bill more than Obama and that's coming from a country that executed the dictators own uncle.

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    12-18-2013 09:37 PM
  8. palandri's Avatar
    .....A federal judge ruled today that Obama was trying to rule by "secret law", as it was found out that he was hiding certain documents from public view. ..

    Are you talking about the NSA spying that the majority of Republicans support? If not, please link us.
    12-19-2013 12:12 AM
  9. pappy53's Avatar
    Are you talking about the NSA spying that the majority of Republicans support? If not, please link us.
    Republicans and Democrats have equally supported this.

    Here's your link, and this is actually a liberal judge:

    12-19-2013 04:08 AM
  10. anon8126715's Avatar
    I find it comical that Obama is getting more of the blame for the NSA programs that began under GWB. Then again the right-wing koolaid drinkers will twist anything in an attempt to gain the political ground that they lost via shutting down the government. What's sad is how much money we lost during that shutdown. Even Boehner lashed out at the right wing's fringe groups over that strategy.

    If you look at some of the worst events that took place in the U.S. in the past 100 or so years, 9/11 and the financial meltdown of 2008 would rank high on anyone's list. And those 2 events took place under ONE person's watch. As far as I'm concerned I don't think anything can happen in the next 2 plus years that will rank high enough to lead me to believe that there was a President worse than GWB. I'm convinced the W stands for "WORST".
    12-19-2013 06:16 AM
  11. alexlam24's Avatar
    I find it comical that Obama is getting more of the blame for the NSA programs that began under GWB. Then again the right-wing koolaid drinkers will twist anything in an attempt to gain the political ground that they lost via shutting down the government. What's sad is how much money we lost during that shutdown. Even Boehner lashed out at the right wing's fringe groups over that strategy.

    If you look at some of the worst events that took place in the U.S. in the past 100 or so years, 9/11 and the financial meltdown of 2008 would rank high on anyone's list. And those 2 events took place under ONE person's watch. As far as I'm concerned I don't think anything can happen in the next 2 plus years that will rank high enough to lead me to believe that there was a President worse than GWB. I'm convinced the W stands for "WORST".
    At least he didn't try to make free healthcare.

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    12-19-2013 06:33 AM
  12. anon8126715's Avatar
    At least he didn't try to make free healthcare.

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    Who tried to make free healthcare? Do you even know what the Affordable Healthcare Act is? For now it's a website for insurance companies to compete with each other. Oh and it also is a law that says insurance companies can't deny you coverage for preexisting conditions, it lets your college aged children remain on your policy, it ensures that an insurance company can't drop you for some technicality. Yeah that's "free healthcare".... Even single payer isn't "free", there would've been a tax in place to pay for it. And here's a newsflash for you, we're paying for it NOW, but instead of a tax, every time someone goes into the E.R., the costs for those that can't pay is distributed to the rest of us. How long have you been drinking that koolaid? Throw it away, it's past its expiration date man!
    12-19-2013 06:39 AM
  13. alexlam24's Avatar
    Who tried to make free healthcare? Do you even know what the Affordable Healthcare Act is? For now it's a website for insurance companies to compete with each other. Oh and it also is a law that says insurance companies can't deny you coverage for preexisting conditions, it lets your college aged children remain on your policy, that an insurance company can't drop you for some technicality. Yeah that's "free healthcare".... Even single payer isn't "free", there would've been a tax in place to pay for it. And here's a newsflash for you, we're paying for it NOW, but instead of a tax, every time someone goes into the E.R., the costs for those that can't pay is distributed to the rest of us. How long have you been drinking that koolaid? Throw it away, it's past its expiration date man!
    Wow such anger
    Much rage
    Many yell
    Such stupid

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    12-19-2013 06:41 AM
  14. Aquila's Avatar
    Thanks for playing everyone. This thread needs a break for perspective. Closed for review.

    XT1060. Through spacetime.
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    12-19-2013 06:51 AM
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    His new records:
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  16. Tall Mike 2145's Avatar
    Hmm...

    My question is: why are we (like always) singling out and making a scapegoat of ONE SINGLE PERSON? I didn't vote for, nor vote to re-elect, Obama. Search these forums for posts I've written in the political area and you can satisfy yourself I'm no Democrat. But again, we're going to just blame Obama for everything?

    Eisenhower created the CIA, and he and others created the NSA and all the other intelligence agencies. Eisenhower approved Operation Ajax. Presidents since then, as well as Congresses since then, have approved, gone along with, or at a minimum rolled over on all the crap that has since occurred. This includes operations throughout Europe, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East, as well as throughout Central- and South America. Bush Sr. wanted to implement the Clipper Chip, for goodness' sake! Remote-controlled craft have been in existence since at least the 1950s thanks to the U.S. Air Force; drones or things like drones have existed for who knows how long. Drones in the modern sense were all approved by Bush Jr. and again, right along, all of this has been funded by Congressional approval. I could continue, but it's all much the same thing on many of these topics.

    Now Obama is President, so we just blame him for everything. Just like we blamed GWB for everything. Just like we blamed Clinton for everything. See a pattern here?
    02-08-2014 01:46 AM
  17. Timelessblur's Avatar
    I would take that entire list with a very very VERY Large dose of salt.
    For example 10 and 9 are pretty much false. 10 if you dig into it and look back at the first time that claim was made you find out that they basicly just added up the numbers of all the programs. They did not take into account people in multiple programs at the same time. Or the fact that they tossed in people who are retired taking SS a group that should be auto tossed out. Basicly the nubmer is BS and a GOP lie.

    9 is they went after a very small sub set of the taxes but many of those people in the 50% still pay pay roll tax. They still pay all the other taxes and fees and in the end still pay a net tax.

    The debt down grade sorry not Obama fault. That one sits nearly 100% on the GOP. It was down graded due to the grid lock and the fact that the US came multiple times of defaulting. All of those blame go on the GOP.

    Not saying that things are not bad but the list is more a GOP talking point but lacks any real data or facts. Just talking points and tries to slide of hand that the problems are to be blamed all around and heavily and I mean heavily on congress (both parties there)
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    02-08-2014 05:27 PM
  18. pappy53's Avatar
    I would take that entire list with a very very VERY Large dose of salt.
    For example 10 and 9 are pretty much false. 10 if you dig into it and look back at the first time that claim was made you find out that they basicly just added up the numbers of all the programs. They did not take into account people in multiple programs at the same time. Or the fact that they tossed in people who are retired taking SS a group that should be auto tossed out. Basicly the nubmer is BS and a GOP lie.

    9 is they went after a very small sub set of the taxes but many of those people in the 50% still pay pay roll tax. They still pay all the other taxes and fees and in the end still pay a net tax.

    The debt down grade sorry not Obama fault. That one sits nearly 100% on the GOP. It was down graded due to the grid lock and the fact that the US came multiple times of defaulting. All of those blame go on the GOP.

    Not saying that things are not bad but the list is more a GOP talking point but lacks any real data or facts. Just talking points and tries to slide of hand that the problems are to be blamed all around and heavily and I mean heavily on congress (both parties there)
    9 and 10 are true, and came from government stats. The credit downgrade is on Obama's watch, and occurred after he had been in office for 4 or 5 years, so don't blame that on the GOP. I don't think that has ever happened before. Obama adding SEVEN TRILLION to the debt didn't help.
    02-08-2014 09:40 PM
  19. Timelessblur's Avatar
    9 and 10 are true, and came from government stats. The credit downgrade is on Obama's watch, and occurred after he had been in office for 4 or 5 years, so don't blame that on the GOP. I don't think that has ever happened before. Obama adding SEVEN TRILLION to the debt didn't help.
    No they came from the stats from the starting point. But those stats do not take into account someone on foodstamps also tends to be on Medicaid as well. Or they also tend to be in wick. Also the "government aid" includes social security and Medicare.
    So this means you have double it up.

    Also Obama may of been president but the blame still belongs on the gop. Gop is the group responsible for refusing to raise the debt ceiling.
    Gop is the one who caused the government shutdown.
    The down grade was flat out due to gridlock.


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    02-08-2014 10:16 PM
  20. pappy53's Avatar
    Also Obama may of been president but the blame still belongs on the gop. Gop is the group responsible for refusing to raise the debt ceiling.
    Gop is the one who caused the government shutdown.
    Dems refused to cut spending.

    Dems caused the shutdown by absolutely refusing to negotiate, especially about Obamacare. And now what the GOP said about Obamacare is coming to pass.
    02-08-2014 10:54 PM
  21. Timelessblur's Avatar
    Dems refused to cut spending.

    Dems caused the shutdown by absolutely refusing to negotiate, especially about Obamacare. And now what the GOP said about Obamacare is coming to pass.
    You mean by refusing to cut all funding for it. In what world is not negotiating?
    The gop had been nothing try to improve the ACA other than repeal.

    Also it is the gop who has to prove they are willing to negotiate.
    Shut down 99.9% gop fault. Credit rating at least 80% gop fault.

    Gop has done nothing to help. They even have one of their guys who said on national TV that his idea of negation is having the Democratic come to their (gop) view. Not anything more.


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    02-08-2014 10:59 PM
  22. rexxman's Avatar
    Dems refused to cut spending.

    Dems caused the shutdown by absolutely refusing to negotiate, especially about Obamacare. And now what the GOP said about Obamacare is coming to pass.
    Absolutely untrue!

    GOP attempted to extort their political goal and in doing so, caused 24 billion in damage to the economy and ultimately to the citizens.

    To claim otherwise is dishonest.

    Over the years, the GOP has claimed many things about health care reform. Their prediction track record is dismal at best.

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    02-09-2014 09:50 AM
  23. pappy53's Avatar
    You mean by refusing to cut all funding for it. In what world is not negotiating?
    The gop had been nothing try to improve the ACA other than repeal.

    Also it is the gop who has to prove they are willing to negotiate.
    Shut down 99.9% gop fault. Credit rating at least 80% gop fault.

    Gop has done nothing to help. They even have one of their guys who said on national TV that his idea of negation is having the Democratic come to their (gop) view. Not anything more.


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    Why should the GOP try to improve something that is hurting the country, and was passed without a single GOP vote, and still only passed by a SINGLE vote? Everything that the GOP warned is coming true, and now Obama is illegally changing the rules of the law.



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    02-09-2014 12:53 PM
  24. Timelessblur's Avatar
    Why should the GOP try to improve something that is hurting the country, and was passed without a single GOP vote, and still only passed by a SINGLE vote? Everything that the GOP warned is coming true, and now Obama is illegally changing the rules of the law.



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    Again come same answer as before.
    Come back when the gop offers up something other then repeal.
    Right now it has been repeal and replace. I have ask more than once with What and we get crickets.

    So you say it is hurting offer a replacement. Oh wait gop has nothing. Gop shut down the government. Gop caused out debt rating to get down graded.

    Care to address the fact the gop has done nothing and I repeat nothing to help. They have wasted millions on show votes.

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    02-09-2014 12:58 PM
  25. pappy53's Avatar
    Again come same answer as before.
    Come back when the gop offers up something other then repeal.
    Right now it has been repeal and replace. I have ask more than once with What and we get crickets.

    So you say it is hurting offer a replacement. Oh wait gop has nothing. Gop shut down the government. Gop caused out debt rating to get down graded.

    Care to address the fact the gop has done nothing and I repeat nothing to help. They have wasted millions on show votes.

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    GOP had something to offer 2 weeks ago, and Harry Reid wouldn't even let it be heard on the Senate floor.
    The credit downgrade came on Obama's watch, and that is how history will show it.
    And I hear crickets when I mention Obama breaking the law with the changing of a law.
    Now we find out that Obamacare is going to cost the equivalent of 2.3 million jobs.


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    02-09-2014 01:48 PM
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