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  1. palandri's Avatar
    My brother used to say that when he came into my room and saw a poster on the wall. That was 45 years ago!

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    LOL! Seems like yesterday.
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    05-28-2014 07:05 AM
  2. SteveISU's Avatar
    I'm not being forced to buy anything. I'll be taxed if I don't purchase insurance, but I'm not being forced to buy it. And when one purchases insurance, most of the population can be diagnosed with some condition that the insurance company used to be able to cancel policies over. And then there are the other insurance companies that would cancel you if you were costing them more than they were making off of you. Now those 2 practices are not allowed. I'd hardly consider that "Government run healthcare".

    Is this the thesis of your argument? "It's not just a website so it must be government run healthcare and everyone knows that government run anything is inefficient"? If so, that's one poor excuse of an argument.
    Where did I state that Obamacare is "government run healthcare"? I'm simply stating its more than just a website and a group of insurance companies being forced to make up plans that adhere to a more stringent government standard. There are a lot more components to the massive bill that you clearly don't know anything about, such as value-based payments to providers, quality reporting requirements, and government comparative-effectiveness boards. So it makes sense you'd stick to the talking points of pre-existing conditions, extended dependent coverage, ect.

    The government running just about anything is inefficient, go ask any military personal. But that's not my thesis.
    05-28-2014 09:47 AM
  3. anon8126715's Avatar
    Where did I state that Obamacare is "government run healthcare"? I'm simply stating its more than just a website and a group of insurance companies being forced to make up plans that adhere to a more stringent government standard. There are a lot more components to the massive bill that you clearly don't know anything about, such as value-based payments to providers, quality reporting requirements, and government comparative-effectiveness boards. So it makes sense you'd stick to the talking points of pre-existing conditions, extended dependent coverage, ect.

    The government running just about anything is inefficient, go ask any military personal. But that's not my thesis.
    Yes government is generally inefficient, but private corporations (healthcare providers) are generally greedy, so it's going to depend on which you believe is worse. I'm frankly tired of big business run a muck so I have no problem with the pendulum swinging in the opposite direction for a change. Mostly because I've seen how the middle class has been decimated while corporate profits are at an all time high. I'm not advocating for socialism (as I believe the President isn't as well), but you have the agents of big business doing a snow job on the public by trying to insist that the American way of life is being threatened by a "socialist muslim". Anyone in their right sane mind would understand that balance is as necessary to our society as it is to any system. To continue to push our current corporacy's agenda is just ludicrous.
    05-28-2014 11:03 AM
  4. A895's Avatar
    I gave up on this conversation it ain't going nowhere.

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    05-28-2014 11:21 AM
  5. SteveISU's Avatar
    Yes government is generally inefficient, but private corporations (healthcare providers) are generally greedy, so it's going to depend on which you believe is worse. I'm frankly tired of big business run a muck so I have no problem with the pendulum swinging in the opposite direction for a change. Mostly because I've seen how the middle class has been decimated while corporate profits are at an all time high. I'm not advocating for socialism (as I believe the President isn't as well), but you have the agents of big business doing a snow job on the public by trying to insist that the American way of life is being threatened by a "socialist muslim". Anyone in their right sane mind would understand that balance is as necessary to our society as it is to any system. To continue to push our current corporacy's agenda is just ludicrous.
    The government wastes more than "big bad business" stock piles as greedy profits. The VA has carried a surplus into every year since 2010, some years over a billion dollars and we have people stuck on waiting lists dying. The government is inefficient along every step of the way, there is no business on this earth that can operate like the US government in terms of how it handles it's budget and the accounting gimmicks it uses to show money it doesn't have. The US government is every pit as greedy as a big corporation and has never had to answer to it's shareholders (both democrat or republican).
    05-28-2014 11:22 AM
  6. anon8126715's Avatar
    One could argue that the government wastes more than "big bad business" stock piles as greedy profits. The VA has carried a surplus into every year since 2010, some years over a billion dollars and we have people stuck on waiting lists dying. The government is inefficient along every step of the way, there is no business on this earth that can operate like the US government in terms of how it handles it's budget and the accounting gimmicks it uses to show money it doesn't have. The US government is every pit as greedy as a big corporation and has never had to answer to it's shareholders (both democrat or republican).
    And yet we see how well the private sector does when it puts faulty ignition switches in millions of its products, or how responsible they are when they have a pipeline burst in the Gulf of Mexico. And we can also look at how "responsible" the banking industry was before it led us to 2008.....
    05-28-2014 11:27 AM
  7. SteveISU's Avatar
    And yet we see how well the private sector does when it puts faulty ignition switches in millions of its products, or how responsible they are when they have a pipeline burst in the Gulf of Mexico. And we can also look at how "responsible" the banking industry was before it led us to 2008.....

    ...and they've all be held accountable. When does big government ever get held accountable?
    05-28-2014 11:39 AM
  8. anon8126715's Avatar
    ...and they've all be held accountable. When does big government ever get held accountable?
    Umm lets see, mostly it's even years in November?!?!

    And I'm sorry but GM hasn't been held accountable. As a matter of fact, their bankruptcy that took place a few years ago will practically ensure that they're not held responsible aside from an exercise in PR to help mitigate the impact of this fiasco.
    05-28-2014 11:43 AM
  9. Timelessblur's Avatar
    ...and they've all be held accountable. When does big government ever get held accountable?
    oh that is cute you believe that.
    Care to explain why the people who set us into say the great recession namely bank executives got richer and gulf between the rich and poor got bigger not smaller.
    How the top 1% have mostly recovered yet the rest of us are at best breaking even?
    Sorry but the people who caused the recession got nice lovely gold parachutes for the problems they caused and did not suffer. Instead their employees get laid off, have pay cuts, benefits cut yet the people at the top get rather large bonuses.
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    05-28-2014 01:01 PM
  10. SteveISU's Avatar
    Umm lets see, mostly it's even years in November?!?!

    And I'm sorry but GM hasn't been held accountable. As a matter of fact, their bankruptcy that took place a few years ago will practically ensure that they're not held responsible aside from an exercise in PR to help mitigate the impact of this fiasco.

    Oh yeah, as clear evidence by the career politicians in Washington. lol
    05-29-2014 11:20 AM
  11. anon8126715's Avatar
    Oh yeah, as clear evidence by the career politicians in Washington. lol
    Everyone thinks their local representatives are good, but the rest of the country doesn't agree. If you have a representative that brings pork to your area, you're going to continue to vote him/her in. If I was a representative for my district, I'd do whatever I could for my district, the rest of the country be damned, and that's why they continue to get re-elected.
    05-29-2014 07:53 PM
  12. anon8126715's Avatar
    One sure fired way to know it is completely false is Fake News is not having a field day with it.

    To me I put this under the standard for right wing echo chamber and anything like this I toss under the stupid people fall for it category.

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    haha, that's a good point. If there was any truth to it, Fox News would be reporting it with all the fervor of the Benghazi BS.

    I'm not as rabid a fan of The Big Bang Theory (I find the humor is a little predictable and low brow), but since there's nothing really on TV that I watch, I'll find myself watching it from time to time. The other day I had time to read one of the little "Vanity Cards" at the end of the show. It actually made me chuckle a bit.

    A dying animal struggles, thrashes and howls in protest as its life is torn from it. To see this in action watch Animal Planet. The same thing happens when an idea dies. To see this in action watch Fox News.
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    05-31-2014 07:17 AM
  13. anon8126715's Avatar
    I received this in an email. I don't know if it is true, but if true, I wonder why he doesn't attend. This is not a slam on Obama, as I would wonder this about any President, when all other ones have attended.

    Subject: June 6, 2014

    I wonder where he will be this year?

    Every year the French have a 4 day celebration in Normandy complete with American uniforms, tanks, jeeps and guns. They still honor the Americans who died there.

    Four times in 69 years!!

    SHAME ON AMERICA FOR ELECTING A NON-VETERAN PRESIDENT WHO DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF: HE IS ABSOLUTELY A DISGRACE TO ALL WHO FOUGHT FOR THIS NATION AND GAVE THEIR LIVES.

    VETERANS - PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO YOUR VETERAN FRIENDS AND CONTACTS!!!!!!

    June 6, 2013, the 69th anniversary of "D-Day", the largest invasion ever attempted, where 200,000 Americans stormed the beaches at Normandy to begin the final push to defeat Nazi Germany in WWII. D-Day marked the turning point in WWII in Europe. Today, European heads of state make it a point to recall and honor the sacrifices of those who landed in Normandy, as do our Presidents....well, most of them....

    In the 69 years since D-Day, there are four occasions when the President of the United States chose not to visit the D-Day Monument that honors the soldiers killed during the Invasion.

    The occasions were:

    1. Barack Obama, 2010
    2. Barack Obama, 2011
    3. Barack Obama, 2012
    4. Barack Obama, 2013

    For the past 69 years, every American President except Obama has taken the time to honor the memory and sacrifices of the 6,000 American soldiers killed on D-Day. ....Except Obama!

    June 6 2010,
    Obama had no events scheduled.

    June 6, 2011,
    Obama met with the National Security team and was interviewed by WEWS Cleveland and WDIV in Detroit about the auto industry - FAR too busy to visit the D-Day memorial.

    June 6, 2012,
    instead of honoring our fallen soldiers, Obama made a campaign trip to California on Air Force 1 (at our expense) to raise funds for (his) upcoming election.

    June 6, 2013,
    Obama was doing ANOTHER fund raiser with the multimillionaires in the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in Palo Alto CA, once again at our expense.

    America - Aren't you proud?
    Obama, European leaders honor D-Day landings in France, 70 years on - CNN.com


    So ummm, are you going to respond to that email with the link above or are you content with being an agent of misinformation? If the latter, just keep in mind that your group then belongs to a group of people content with spreading misinformation that does this country harm. If you are content with the omission of fact, then you are an agent of fiction, which IMO is unethical, immoral, and flat out unpatriotic.
    06-06-2014 07:05 AM
  14. pappy53's Avatar
    which IMO is unethical, immoral, and flat out unpatriotic.
    You are entitled to your opinion. I stated from the start that I didn't know if it was true. His Obamacare promises were unethical.
    06-06-2014 12:57 PM
  15. Timelessblur's Avatar
    You are entitled to your opinion. I stated from the start that I didn't know if it was true. His Obamacare promises were unethical.
    No you started off with the near assumption it was true. I looked at it for 3 sec and knew it was 100% BS.
    Mix that with even Fake News is not running it speaks volumes of how much BS it is.
    06-06-2014 01:20 PM
  16. pappy53's Avatar
    No you started off with the near assumption it was true. I looked at it for 3 sec and knew it was 100% BS.
    Mix that with even Fake News is not running it speaks volumes of how much BS it is.
    I don't believe that you can read my assumptions. My second line says that I didn't know if it was true. But I do know that he lied about Obamacare, and that's a fact.
    06-06-2014 02:46 PM
  17. Timelessblur's Avatar
    I don't believe that you can read my assumptions. My second line says that I didn't know if it was true. But I do know that he lied about Obamacare, and that's a fact.
    No I read it. You implied that you were pretty close to believing it was true. Your post points to you are inclined to believe it. Start the thread to what points to another i hate Obama thread.

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    06-06-2014 02:48 PM
  18. pappy53's Avatar
    No I read it. You implied that you were pretty close to believing it was true. Your post points to you are inclined to believe it. Start the thread to what points to another i hate Obama thread.

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    No, you are reading into it what you want to read, which is the liberal view. And that is fine, but don't make assumptions on my part. But you do know that he lied about Obamacare, right?

    But you're right about one thing. I do dislike Obama. Just another lying president in a long line of them, Democratic and Republican.
    06-06-2014 03:07 PM
  19. Timelessblur's Avatar
    No, you are reading into it what you want to read, which is the liberal view. And that is fine, but don't make assumptions on my part. But you do know that he lied about Obamacare, right?
    I know he made mistake in what he said. But if you want to go over the battle of lies well the party of hate and bigotry wins that one by a miles.

    Fact of the matter that you posted the entire thread mix with the sop "I hate obama"
    The very fact that you did it immediately call it out as this is crap on the email. And even though it was worth party speaks for it self.
    The email alone speaks volumes about the conservative. They are master of dealing with bold face lies.



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    06-06-2014 03:12 PM
  20. pappy53's Avatar
    I know he made mistake in what he said.
    A mistake and flat-out lying is two different things, and he did the latter.

    The email alone speaks volumes about the conservative.
    Maybe an independent released that e-mail.
    But if you want to go over the battle of lies well the party of hate and bigotry wins that one by a miles.
    I can show you as many Dem lies as you can show me GOP lies. They all lie.
    Enough of this, I'm outta here. Have a blessed day!
    06-06-2014 03:36 PM
  21. Aquila's Avatar
    IMO there is no difference between democrats and republicans in federal office. Obviously the public is different but there's little reason to distinguish between burglars and thieves.

    Nexus through spacetime
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    06-06-2014 03:41 PM
  22. Scott7217's Avatar
    But you're right about one thing. I do dislike Obama. Just another lying president in a long line of them, Democratic and Republican.
    You have the right to free speech to criticize Obama or anyone else in government. It's one of the benefits of living in America. In fact, even people who don't live in America are allowed to criticize Obama.
    06-06-2014 04:52 PM
  23. anon8126715's Avatar
    IMO there is no difference between democrats and republicans in federal office. Obviously the public is different but there's little reason to distinguish between burglars and thieves.

    Nexus through spacetime
    The only distinction I tend to make is one camp is pro-business and has no problem openly admitting it. The other party pretends to be pro business and pro social causes but is really just pro-business for a different group.


    And to the OP, DID you reply to that forwarded email to set the record straight?
    06-06-2014 09:05 PM
  24. msndrstood's Avatar
    If the OP wanted to complain about Obamacare, then the past should have been about Obamacare and not a false report about D Day, especially posting it on Memorial Day.

    Not cool.

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    06-07-2014 06:26 PM
  25. pappy53's Avatar
    If the OP wanted to complain about Obamacare, then the past should have been about Obamacare and not a false report about D Day, especially posting it on Memorial Day.

    Not cool.

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    I am hurt that you don't think it was cool.


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    06-07-2014 07:37 PM
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