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  1. mrsmumbles's Avatar
    I sort of agree with both of you. But I do remember something very similar back in the '80s with "nambla" trying to get some sort of acceptance. It's revolting.

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    11-20-2013 05:28 PM
  2. llamabreath's Avatar
    Quote from the article -
    "Milton Diamond, a University of Hawaii professor and director of the Pacific Center for Sex and Society, stated that child pornography could be beneficial to society because, Potential sex offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex against children.

    Isn't child porn made using sex and children??!???

    And this is a Professor at a University??

    smh
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    11-20-2013 07:04 PM
  3. Timelessblur's Avatar
    While I agree with you, anyone that didn't see this coming is either blind or stupid.

    When you open us the definition of anything(in this case marriage), all the sub groups related fight for themselves and morals and rights become confused. For instance, who is to say polygamy is wrong? Who is to say people that want to marry their siblings should be denied the right to? It becomes a moral cluster and a big mess.

    Society opened this can of worms. It's time to sit back and watch **** be slung around.
    I am not surprised by it but at the time I also knew it was going to be shot down and killed. Anyone who could not see that result is either stupid or blind,

    People try crap like that all the time. The laws on the books already set up to protect against that. No need to do anything about it.
    They can scream and try all they like but can not get around the laws protecting kids (sex with a minor) and nothing will change that.
    11-21-2013 02:08 PM
  4. Timelessblur's Avatar
    Quote from the article -
    "Milton Diamond, a University of Hawaii professor and director of the Pacific Center for Sex and Society, stated that child pornography could be beneficial to society because, “Potential sex offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex against children.”

    Isn't child porn made using sex and children??!???

    And this is a Professor at a University??

    smh
    I would call tat a stupid professor as they have done studies on porn and it has the complete opposite effect. It makes people crave real sex even more.
    11-21-2013 02:09 PM
  5. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    I would think that the age of consent would need to change, which is unlikely to happen. The age you're an adult is 18, and in some states (the laws vary), you can consent at younger ages. For example, if you're 16 you can consent to sex with someone as old as 20. If you're 17, it's 21.

    So many things would need to change from a legal standpoint for this to even become a reality.

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    11-21-2013 02:13 PM
  6. NoYankees44's Avatar
    I am not surprised by it but at the time I also knew it was going to be shot down and killed. Anyone who could not see that result is either stupid or blind,

    People try crap like that all the time. The laws on the books already set up to protect against that. No need to do anything about it.
    They can scream and try all they like but can not get around the laws protecting kids (sex with a minor) and nothing will change that.
    Of course THIS example was quickly destroyed because society is conditioned against it. Other examples such as polygamy and incest will be much messier fights. If they make it through, they the crazier ones will then have more of a leg to stand on.
    11-21-2013 02:22 PM
  7. Timelessblur's Avatar
    Of course THIS example was quickly destroyed because society is conditioned against it. Other examples such as polygamy and incest will be much messier fights. If they make it through, they the crazier ones will then have more of a leg to stand on.
    I can see incest killed for multiple reasons and it has a legal leg to stand on. Biggest part is protecting the genetic pool.
    Polygamy is the only one that has any chance in hell and an ice cube would stand a better chance in hell.

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    11-21-2013 03:01 PM
  8. NoYankees44's Avatar
    I can see incest killed for multiple reasons and it has a legal leg to stand on. Biggest part is protecting the genetic pool.
    Polygamy is the only one that has any chance in hell and an ice cube would stand a better chance in hell.

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    Playing devil's advocate:But why? They deserve equal rights too don't they? Who are you to tell a man and 6 women not to all be married?

    This is only one example. I am sure there are taboo sub groups that I would not even think possible to come out of the wood works wanting to get married. Marry your car anyone? Remember, there was a day when when no one thought there was a snowball's chance in hell that gay marriage would be legal.
    11-21-2013 03:12 PM
  9. Mooncatt's Avatar
    As long as it's between two (or more, for that matter) consenting adults and not harming others, then I really don't care what kind of love life people have. So for me, the slippery slope arguments don't hold up in these types of discussions.
    11-21-2013 04:46 PM
  10. benhmadison's Avatar
    As long as it's between two (or more, for that matter) consenting adults and not harming others, then I really don't care what kind of love life people have. So for me, the slippery slope arguments don't hold up in these types of discussions.
    Agreed. Why should I care who or how many people another adult decides to marry? It doesn't affect me in the least and it has no barring on the sanctity of marriage. That's an argument that died a long time ago. There is no sanctity of marriage in a country where over half of all marriages end in divorce.

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    11-21-2013 05:57 PM
  11. anon8126715's Avatar
    I'm not sure if this issue is even worthy of a thread, but I figured I'd put it out there since it's all over the news. In a recent Phil Robertson GQ interview, the Duck Dynasty star had some very controversial words against homosexuality, and he even shared his view on pre-civil rights conditions for black people. His quotes prompted suspension from A&E's Duck Dynasty and sides have already taken shape with the likes of Sarah Palin in his corner to Charlie Sheen siding with the Gay and Lesbian community. Was A&E right in suspending him? Did they overreact?

    Phil Robertson's quote on homosexuality
    It seems like, to me, a ****** – as a man -would be more desirable than a man’s anus, thats just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.
    .....Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong. Sin becomes fine, Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men ... Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers -- they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.


    His quote on black people before civil rights
    I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person, Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.

    Similarly, an IAC executive tweeted over the weekend "Going to Africa. Hope I don't get AIDS. Just kidding. I'm white!" prompting her employer IAC to terminate its relationship with her.

    What's your take?
    12-23-2013 08:21 AM
  12. palandri's Avatar
    Here's my take on it. I've watched a few minutes of Duck Dynasty and what Phil Robertson said was exactly what I would expect him to say. There are much more tactful ways, and less demeaning ways to say you oppose the LGBT lifestyle from a religious stand point. Look at what the Pope said, "If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?"

    If Phil Robertson said he opposed the gay lifestyle the same way the Pope did, there wouldn't be an issue. Since he said it in a demeaning way, that's why A&E took the action they did. I think the politicians who are supporting him, including the Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana, think that gays are shameful, undignified and humiliating.

    I think that IAC executive was just stupid.
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    12-23-2013 09:00 AM
  13. anon8126715's Avatar
    Here's my take on it. I've watched a few minutes of Duck Dynasty and what Phil Robertson said was exactly what I would expect him to say. There are much more tactful ways, and less demeaning ways to say you oppose the LGBT lifestyle from a religious stand point. Look at what the Pope said, "If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?"

    If Phil Robertson said he opposed the gay lifestyle the same way the Pope did, there wouldn't be an issue. Since he said it in a demeaning way, that's why A&E took the action they did. I think the politicians who are supporting him, including the Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana, think that gays are shameful, undignified and humiliating.

    I think that IAC executive was just stupid.

    That's a pretty good summation. What's your take on everyone screaming 'freedom of speech'?


    My personal take is that some people don't understand the concept of freedom of speech, unless of course Obama is sending drones to LA as we speak, or both people above are being hauled off to gitmo....


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    12-23-2013 09:14 AM
  14. palandri's Avatar
    .... What's your take on everyone screaming 'freedom of speech'?.....
    How does that old saying go? You may have the right to say it, but that doesn't make it right.
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    12-23-2013 09:22 AM
  15. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    Man, gays have became not very tolerant.

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    12-23-2013 10:01 AM
  16. msndrstood's Avatar
    Not surprised at all. It comes with the territory. Personally, I don't watch the show, and not into the lifestyle or the philosophy expounded on the show. It belongs in the vast wasteland of Reality TV that isn't even real.

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    12-23-2013 10:16 AM
  17. anon8126715's Avatar
    Not surprised at all. It comes with the territory. Personally, I don't watch the show, and not into the lifestyle or the philosophy expounded on the show. It belongs in the vast wasteland of Reality TV that isn't even real.

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    I'm personally ready for the entire reality TV genre to die out. I've even chastised some of my friends for being so devoted to specific shows. To this day I don't know what the draw is.

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    12-23-2013 10:31 AM
  18. msndrstood's Avatar
    They are all scripted. The only one I watch faithfully is Househunters International. And only because of the scenery in Europe. And even that show is scripted, but it doesn't bother me because of the eye candy, lol. And it's mindless entertainment. Also love Rick Steves.

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    12-23-2013 10:34 AM
  19. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    I hate reality tv too. The only reality show I watch is deadliest catch

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    12-23-2013 10:36 AM
  20. anon8126715's Avatar
    Man, gays have became not very tolerant.

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    I think I would probably be a little demonstrative as well if my lifestyle was likened to the act of bestiality. When you consider that at one point slavery was considered moral, interracial relationships were considered immoral, and as recent as the 70s, a major religion excluded black people from their religion because they believed black people to be damned, it makes you wish that legislators would stop using any religion as the foundation for legislation. We have no problem looking down at Arab nations for what we think is a suppression of human rights, but we have no problem suppressing human rights at home.

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    12-23-2013 10:47 AM
  21. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    Well first off, he didn't liken it, just was listing things. A person cannot give an answer to their beliefs if it doesn't coincide either the popular liberal opinion.

    I feel as he does. To me its not right. But that is a persons opinion. He didn't say to beat the hell out of every gay you see. I'm tired of people telling me how to feel. I'm tired of people telling me I have to accept it. I don't have to accept anything. But I also don't care what anyone does. Its their business. And its his business how he feels.

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    12-23-2013 11:30 AM
  22. The Hustleman's Avatar
    I'm not sure if this issue is even worthy of a thread, but I figured I'd put it out there since it's all over the news. In a recent Phil Robertson GQ interview, the Duck Dynasty star had some very controversial words against homosexuality, and he even shared his view on pre-civil rights conditions for black people. His quotes prompted suspension from A&E's Duck Dynasty and sides have already taken shape with the likes of Sarah Palin in his corner to Charlie Sheen siding with the Gay and Lesbian community. Was A&E right in suspending him? Did they overreact?

    Phil Robertson's quote on homosexuality






    His quote on black people before civil rights



    Similarly, an IAC executive tweeted over the weekend "Going to Africa. Hope I don't get AIDS. Just kidding. I'm white!" prompting her employer IAC to terminate its relationship with her.

    What's your take?
    I feel that he's right on the gay issue, and you missed the quote about him loving everyone and not mistreating anyone. But gay rights people as one of my lesbian friends says "often mistake disagreement with hate" and it's true, it also happened to the guy from chick fil a.


    Problem is people love to act like if you're not completely homo happy or you disagree with one of their issues, they want to blacklist and criticize you, call you out your name for disagreeing, and IRONICALLY tell you that you're closed-minded, when in truth it's THEM.

    On the civil rights issue, he's full of tihs...


    Either way, he shouldn't have been fired for speaking his mind!
    12-23-2013 11:40 AM
  23. anon8126715's Avatar
    Well first off, he didn't liken it, just was listing things. A person cannot give an answer to their beliefs if it doesn't coincide either the popular liberal opinion.

    I feel as he does. To me its not right. But that is a persons opinion. He didn't say to beat the hell out of every gay you see. I'm tired of people telling me how to feel. I'm tired of people telling me I have to accept it. I don't have to accept anything. But I also don't care what anyone does. Its their business. And its his business how he feels.

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    I feel that he's right on the gay issue, and you missed the quote about him loving everyone and not mistreating anyone. But gay rights people as one of my lesbian friends says "often mistake disagreement with hate" and it's true, it also happened to the guy from chick fil a.


    Problem is people love to act like if you're not completely homo happy or you disagree with one of their issues, they want to blacklist and criticize you, call you out your name for disagreeing, and IRONICALLY tell you that you're closed-minded, when in truth it's THEM.

    On the civil rights issue, he's full of tihs...


    Either way, he shouldn't have been fired for speaking his mind!
    I personally don't think it's a matter of right/wrong. Considering it happens in nature, I don't see how anyone can label it right or wrong. To me it would be as if someone told me that I'm not allowed to like women with blonde hair less or more than women with brown or black hair. Again, I think it goes back to religion. We were taught a few decades ago that interracial marriages were a sin as well. We look back at that and other societal mores now and wonder what the hell we were thinking. Some of the elderly generations will tell you that they remember when having black and white water fountains was no big deal to them. I don't know how one can quantify thinking homosexuality is a sin and being ok with interracial marriages as it was really looked down upon back in the day. I have an uncle who told me that when he was a young kid that it wasn't uncommon for black men to get lynched because they would consort with white women, and they thought nothing of it because they felt it was their moral obligation.


    I also don't know if I agree with him not being fired. Considering he is somewhat a representation of the A&E brand, they have to take care of what's in their best financial interest. When you represent the face of the company you're working for by enough recognition, most companies will cut their losses when they weigh what you bring to the table vs how much financial damage they think you've cost them.
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    12-23-2013 12:04 PM
  24. Oofa's Avatar
    It seems that many are forgetting where these Duck Dynasty people are from. Religion once again rears it's head. Their lifestyle, their background, their whole religious belief system pats them on the back for thinking how they think. We should not be surprised that there are people in the U.S. that are completely homophobic and racist yet think that what they say should be considered "free speech" or "my right to an opinion". It has nothing to do with free speech or anyones right to an opinion. These hillbillies just don't know any better. They have grown up in a racist, homophobic world (religion) that makes them think THEY are being quite liberal about it all by saying they have no problem working amongst black people. It's like the old, "some of my best friends are black" line that was supposed to prove you weren't a racist. It is uninformed, uneducated, insensitiveness that permeates a huge part of the U.S. All you have to do is travel the country, and especially the south, to see that racism and homophobia are alive and kicking in the U.S. Anyone that claims that racism and homophobia are "almost non-existent" must be living in a bubble.
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    12-23-2013 12:08 PM
  25. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    It seems that many are forgetting where these Duck Dynasty people are from. Religion once again rears it's head. Their lifestyle, their background, their whole religious belief system pats them on the back for thinking how they think. We should not be surprised that there are people in the U.S. that are completely homophobic and racist yet think that what they say should be considered "free speech" or "my right to an opinion". It has nothing to do with free speech or anyones right to an opinion. These hillbillies just don't know any better. They have grown up in a racist, homophobic world (religion) that makes them think THEY are being quite liberal about it all by saying they have no problem working amongst black people. It's like the old, "some of my best friends are black" line that was supposed to prove you weren't a racist. It is uninformed, uneducated, insensitiveness that permeates a huge part of the U.S. All you have to do is travel the country, and especially the south, to see that racism and homophobia are alive and kicking in the U.S. Anyone that claims that racism and homophobia are "almost non-existent" must be living in a bubble.
    This is the ignorant s7it that really pisses me of. Someone is labeled a homophobe because they don't agree with a lifestyle. Then you blast any southern/religious person for being that way. Way to show where the intolerance really is.

    I don't agree with it, BUT I DONT CARE WHAT PEOPLE DO! IF SOMEONE IS GAY I DONT CARE AS MOST RELIGIOUS SOUTHERNER'S DO NOT.

    BTW, if you think that racism and intolerance are coming from one side, you are blind.

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    12-23-2013 12:23 PM
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