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  1. Aquila's Avatar
    Off topic - we're pretty well into a variety of topics on this. Generally I want to thank everyone for keeping this thread fun and engaging and keeping the too often sniping out of this conversation. Thanks!
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    12-27-2013 08:41 PM
  2. anon8126715's Avatar
    There are a lot of movements working to address this. The one that I work on is working towards a constitutional convention to circumvent the congress and install an amendment to the constitution that will strip the campaign finance and lobbying power out of the election processes. It takes 34 states to call for the convention and 38 to pass the amendment. Congress doesn't even really need to be consulted and they can't do anything to negate the amendment without passing another amendment, which would again take 38 states to ratify.
    I'd be interested in the details if available. And I wish your group luck, especially when it comes to making sure that all contingencies are covered. One thing I've noticed is how large corporations will hedge their bets by giving funds to both political parties so that no matter which side wins, that corporation is still going to get a seat at the table. That should be enough to tell you that our campaign system is broken and with a broken campaign system, our political system is going to be broken.
    12-27-2013 08:49 PM
  3. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    Far right wing is relative to the country/region and to the other political forces at work.

    Would you consider this far right wing legislation?

    "The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline. Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellioius children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21:
    This passage does not give parents blanket authority to kill their children. They must follow the proper procedure in order to have the death penalty executed against their children."

    Compliments of former Arkansas State Senator Charlie Fuqua (R).

    Everything is relative.

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    Old testament, jewesh law. Christ came, no longer under Jewish law, under grace now.

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    12-27-2013 09:21 PM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    Old testament, jewesh law. Christ came, no longer under Jewish law, under grace now.

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    Sounds like the Senator disagrees. That's part of the problem, saying "religion" or even "Christian" doesn't really mean anything, because there are thousands of sects of Christanity that make up a huge spectrum of beliefs about their texts (don't agree on what they say) and application to real world. While one group uses it as a light, another uses it as a sword and another as a shield.
    12-27-2013 09:23 PM
  5. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    Sounds like the Senator disagrees. That's part of the problem, saying "religion" or even "Christian" doesn't really mean anything, because there are thousands of sects of Christanity that make up a huge spectrum of beliefs about their texts (don't agree on what they say) and application to real world. While one group uses it as a light, another uses it as a sword and another as a shield.
    This is why I say I'm not religious. I'm call myself a Christian, these are 2 different things. And yes, sadly people have used religion in derogatory ways. I believe what I believe because I know it to be true to me. I think no more of myself, or no less of anyone else for my beliefs.

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    12-27-2013 09:33 PM
  6. pappy53's Avatar
    Sorry, I'm on Tapatalk and the copy and and paste eludes me. So I'll answer your question about the ACA. This will be long.

    I'm not for bailouts per se, although I do see the necessity for them in dire circumstances in the event that it affects the world economy.

    In the case of the insurance companies, the best benefit is the fact that no one will be denied coverage. Something had to be done, hospitals cannot sustain an insurance-indigent population and remain in business. And even a not for profit hospital is a business, I know I've worked in enough of them. As a former small business owner, I also know over head and deficient income soon becomes untenable.

    Since sick and injured people cannot be turned away from the ER, costs not covered by insurance (or the lack of) puts the burden on 1) the patients that are able to pay either via insurance or self pay 2) the hospital itself

    The health-care industry has massive, massive overhead. It continues to grow with new technology and the skilled personnel to operate the equipment. Drugs are more exotic and more expensive. Nursing staff and support staff are expensive, but they keep the hospital running and the doors open.

    An overnight stay in the hospital cost me $10,000 ten years ago, I can't imagine what it is now. Imagine a trauma case that cost over $100,000 easily, and then months of rehab afterwards. Add at least another $100,000.

    In order to recoup their losses on that uninsured patient, they raise their rates for other procedures, room rates, medication rates etc. Then, the insurance company raises their rates to pay the increased hospital rates.

    That had been the case for the past 30 years or so, rates kept rising, coverage started shrinking; another manuever in attempt to maintain profits.

    So now the ACA. Everyone is eligible for coverage. Hospitals will get paid, so they can stop the constant rate increases at least slow them down to inflation level increases. Insurance companies have a bigger, somewhat healthier pool of insured to collect premiums from in order to pay the hospitals etc. Many who were not previously insured will not utilize the system as frequently because they will have early intervention access and stay healthier, longer.

    The concept is not very dissimilar to mutual funds, spread the risk, maximize the profit.

    And it originally was a Republican idea, as much as they would like to disown it, it's a fact. Can it be tweaked? Of course. The are ways to go about it sensibly and rationally. In the current political climate, the Democrats won't budge an inch because they fear the Republicans will take a mile. And after 47 votes to repeal it, they have every right to feel that way until the Republicans start acting rational about the ACA and admit there is a problem with the way health-care has been run in this country.

    Then the dialogue can start.


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    I just don't understand how people can believe that an insurance company is going to insure anyone, including pre-existing conditions, and have lower premiums. The math doesn't work.
    And what happened to "the average family premiums will be $2500 lower"? Lie.
    12-27-2013 11:06 PM
  7. Mooncatt's Avatar
    The insurance companies were in charge since inception of insurance, if not the government than who?

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    Considering the government had a hand in turning health insurance into what it is today, especially with employer sponsored plans, I say not them.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healt..._United_States in the history section.

    The rise of employer-sponsored coverage

    Employer-sponsored health insurance plans dramatically expanded as a direct result of wage controls imposed by the federal government during World War II.[19]
    By putting insurance in the hands of others (the employer), you take away the ability to make responsible decisions with your healthcare. Back then, it wasn't as big of a problem so long as you had several job options all paying the same. What that lead to is people choosing poor paying jobs simply for the health insurance. Sounds like a bad trade to me. I'd rather take the employer and government both out of the equation (save some basic guardrail regulations), and let the insurance companies compete to attract consumers, as well as the consumers being able to make responsible choices for the coverage they desire.

    Now, to make this post relevant to the original topic... QUACK!
    12-27-2013 11:15 PM
  8. Aquila's Avatar
    Now, to make this post relevant to the original topic... QUACK!
    Back to the topic!

    I did post that they cancelled the suspension. No one cared
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    12-27-2013 11:18 PM
  9. palandri's Avatar
    Back to the topic!

    I did post that they cancelled the suspension. No one cared
    Yup! I am trying to figure out if I would rather watch paint dry or watch duck dynasty.
    12-28-2013 12:48 AM
  10. Aquila's Avatar
    Yup! I am trying to figure out if I would rather watch paint dry or watch duck dynasty.
    Now, now... Not all Reality TV shows, soap operas and sitcoms are an attempt to distract and dumb down the populace while injecting subliminal messages to participate in massive consumer driven overspending frenzy - in giant herds of clicks, tweets, likes and taps pressing buy it now, the frequency of which shows up like wave-functions traversing the nation at precicely the same rate as the time-slots and advertisment groupings that predicate their existence...
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    12-28-2013 01:11 AM
  11. plumbrich's Avatar
    I think A&E knew all along Phil would say this knowing his beliefs so they could cash in on it.
    I still stand it was a marketing gimmick from the beginning. He was suspended 9 days during there off shooting season for something they knew he said several months prior to it being published. It was done when their Christmas special was beginning to come on the air. Seems the so called uneducated dumb Rednecks cashed in big on the liberal and G/L community.

    So a Liberal says Rednecks are dimwitted uneducated idiots then when the so called dimwitted uneducated idiots make a commit such as Phil did it becomes national news. Wonder who the real idiots are in this case?

    BTW I tried watching the show a few times and found it like most all reality shows in it being staged and pandering to stereotypes.Also when getting a raise at work or a loan at the bank or even filing my taxes internet forums or reality T.V shows do not come up in the questions or forms so have NO bearing in the real world its just entertainment folks.
    12-28-2013 05:49 AM
  12. msndrstood's Avatar
    Now, now... Not all Reality TV shows, soap operas and sitcoms are an attempt to distract and dumb down the populace while injecting subliminal messages to participate in massive consumer driven overspending frenzy - in giant herds of clicks, tweets, likes and taps pressing buy it now, the frequency of which shows up like wave-functions traversing the nation at precicely the same rate as the time-slots and advertisment groupings that predicate their existence...
    Is early for me, so yeah, whatever you said.

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    12-28-2013 06:26 AM
  13. llamabreath's Avatar
    Is early for me, so yeah, whatever you said.

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    There are certain people you can thank and/or like here without even bothering to read their post.



    I think signatures are stupid.
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    12-28-2013 06:55 AM
  14. Aquila's Avatar
    There are certain people you can thank and/or like here without even bothering to read their post.



    I think signatures are stupid.
    I found it pretty clear....

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    12-28-2013 06:57 AM
  15. anon8126715's Avatar
    Is early for me, so yeah, whatever you said.

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    Feel free to grab a cup of coffee first. Although, I don't think I need one to know how little I think of reality TV.

    And speaking of, what kind of issues are you having with taptalk? I think we both have the same setup IIRC, note 3 taptalk 2 right? I don't have any c&p issues on mine.

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    12-28-2013 06:57 AM
  16. msndrstood's Avatar
    Feel free to grab a cup of coffee first. Although, I don't think I need one to know how little I think of reality TV.

    And speaking of, what kind of issues are you having with taptalk? I think we both have the same setup IIRC, note 3 taptalk 2 right? I don't have any c&p issues on mine.

    Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk 2
    I cannot figure out how to copy and paste a small quote without the entire quote being included. I just see the option. It's either all or nothing for me. I suppose I can copy and erase what I don't want to include but that's a PITA for long posts. And I usually screw it up and it doesn't make sense, even to me, so I give up, lol. Any ideas? Desktop yes, Note no.

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    12-28-2013 07:06 AM
  17. llamabreath's Avatar
    I found it pretty clear....

    XT1060. Through spacetime.
    I understood it perfectly.
    Deb just doesn't usually post at this time, so she's a little foggy right now.



    I think signatures are stupid.
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    12-28-2013 07:07 AM
  18. msndrstood's Avatar
    You guys have had a head start on me.

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    12-28-2013 07:10 AM
  19. mrsmumbles's Avatar
    Preconceived notions.

    Btw, do any of you guys actually know any 'liberals' in real life? Just curious.

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    Everyone I've ever been around. :rolleyes:

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    12-28-2013 07:11 AM
  20. msndrstood's Avatar
    Everyone I've ever been around. :rolleyes:

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    We are just the opposite, I'm surrounded by conservatives, so I usually stay home, lol.

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    12-28-2013 07:12 AM
  21. msndrstood's Avatar
    Just to let you guys know, my husband followed all of these threads with me, he said he might have to join just to get in on the conversation. He's a much better debater than I am. I'm working on him.

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    12-28-2013 07:13 AM
  22. mrsmumbles's Avatar
    Just to let you guys know, my husband followed all of these threads with me, he said he might have to join just to get in on the conversation. He's a much better debater than I am. I'm working on him.

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    What's his point of view? You could always pull out the battery...

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    12-28-2013 07:25 AM
  23. msndrstood's Avatar
    What's his point of view? You could always pull out the battery...

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    Lol, we're sympatico. Double tag teaming.

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    12-28-2013 07:35 AM
  24. llamabreath's Avatar
    Just to let you guys know, my husband followed all of these threads with me, he said he might have to join just to get in on the conversation. He's a much better debater than I am. I'm working on him.

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    That would be GREAT. :thumbup:



    I think signatures are stupid.
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    12-28-2013 07:35 AM
  25. msndrstood's Avatar
    I'm working on him, he might become addicted.

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    12-28-2013 07:37 AM
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