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  1. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Perhaps the left should do the same.
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    06-12-2014 12:03 PM
  2. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Good idea. Luckily, we already have something like that going on. It's called the Log Cabin Republicans, the gay members of the GOP. A few members on this forum have knocked it, but I am cautiously optimistic about their efforts.
    But they aren't focused on solving racism, and I am not sure they have had any effect on bigotry. What do they have to show for their efforts? What progress can be directly attributed to them? I say nothing. Nothing at all. They aren't even given a place at the table much less changing policy or party platform.

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    06-12-2014 01:34 PM
  3. Scott7217's Avatar
    But they aren't focused on solving racism, and I am not sure they have had any effect on bigotry. What do they have to show for their efforts? What progress can be directly attributed to them?
    The Log Cabin Republicans helped to strike down the Briggs Initiative, which would have prevented gay people from teaching in public schools.

    One of the lawsuits challenging Don't Ask, Don't Tell was from the Log Cabin Republicans. The lawsuit was Log Cabin Republicans v. United States.

    The Log Cabin Republicans campaigned against Arizona SB 1062, which would have allowed businesses to refuse service based on religious grounds. (For example, people could refuse to cater a same-sex marriage.) SB 1062 got vetoed.

    Equality for all Americans is part of the Log Cabin Republican core values, so that addresses racism just as much as any other gay and lesbian group does.

    If you can find a Republican group that is better at fighting racism and bigotry while promoting gay values, I'd like to hear it.
    06-12-2014 04:41 PM
  4. palandri's Avatar
    Rick Perry says being gay is like being an alcoholic

    Rick Perry says being gay is like being an alcoholic - Salon.com
    06-12-2014 05:15 PM
  5. Haalcyon's Avatar
    Rick Perry says being gay is like being an alcoholic

    Rick Perry says being gay is like being an alcoholic - Salon.com
    Okay.

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    06-12-2014 05:35 PM
  6. Scott7217's Avatar
    Used to be? I truly believe that someone's sexuality does not "change".
    So, let's say a man tells me that he used to be gay, but he was able to successfully change his orientation so that he's straight now. How do I support or reject his assertion?
    06-12-2014 06:42 PM
  7. nolittdroid's Avatar
    Despicable.

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    06-12-2014 07:28 PM
  8. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Despicable.

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    Is it bad I read this in Daffy Duck's voice?
    06-12-2014 08:51 PM
  9. palandri's Avatar
    So, let's say a man tells me that he used to be gay, but he was able to successfully change his orientation so that he's straight now. How do I support or reject his assertion?
    What's successful about that?
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    06-12-2014 11:27 PM
  10. GadgetGator's Avatar
    The Log Cabin Republicans helped to strike down the Briggs Initiative, which would have prevented gay people from teaching in public schools.

    One of the lawsuits challenging Don't Ask, Don't Tell was from the Log Cabin Republicans. The lawsuit was Log Cabin Republicans v. United States.

    The Log Cabin Republicans campaigned against Arizona SB 1062, which would have allowed businesses to refuse service based on religious grounds. (For example, people could refuse to cater a same-sex marriage.) SB 1062 got vetoed.

    Equality for all Americans is part of the Log Cabin Republican core values, so that addresses racism just as much as any other gay and lesbian group does.

    If you can find a Republican group that is better at fighting racism and bigotry while promoting gay values, I'd like to hear it.
    It was Obama and the Dems that got rid of DADT. And okay they did do the AZ thing so maybe they had a slight impact though I am sure that had more to do with threats of businesses and the Superbowl pulling out. I don't remember them being any part of the Briggs initiative but I will look into. However none of those things are anything that other gay groups were not also doing.

    I should have phrased my question better. What specifically have these GOP groups done to change GOP minds? Is that not their purpose? I don't see party policies changing. Haven't in 40 years.

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    06-12-2014 11:46 PM
  11. GadgetGator's Avatar
    So, let's say a man tells me that he used to be gay, but he was able to successfully change his orientation so that he's straight now. How do I support or reject his assertion?
    Why do you have to do either of those things?

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    06-12-2014 11:48 PM
  12. Scott7217's Avatar
    It was Obama and the Dems that got rid of DADT.
    The Log Cabin Republicans brought Don't Ask, Don't Tell to court in 2004. George W. Bush was in office at the time.

    In 2004, Barack Obama was an Illinois state senator. He didn't get elected to US Senate until 2005, and he didn't start his first term as president until 2009. So the lawsuit from the Log Cabin Republicans predates the Obama administration.

    Had John McCain won the presidency in the 2008 election, McCain would probably veto any bill that attempted to repeal DADT. If that were to be the case, the lawsuit from the Log Cabin Republicans would be the best challenge to DADT.

    Luckily, Obama defeated McCain and signed the repeal of DADT into law in 2010.

    Some things of note: The US court system moves very slowly. It is relatively faster to pass legislation than it is to get a court judgment. Also, it is better to tackle an issue from both sides of the aisle, using different branches of the government. This increases the chances that you will meet your goal.
    06-13-2014 01:48 AM
  13. Scott7217's Avatar
    What do they have to show for their efforts? What progress can be directly attributed to them? I say nothing. Nothing at all.
    And okay they did do the AZ thing so maybe they had a slight impact though I am sure that had more to do with threats of businesses and the Superbowl pulling out.
    When it comes to the Log Cabin Republicans and gay rights, I'll take "slight impact" over "nothing at all" any day.
    06-13-2014 02:00 AM
  14. GadgetGator's Avatar
    When it comes to the Log Cabin Republicans and gay rights, I'll take "slight impact" over "nothing at all" any day.
    And that didn't answer my question. What changes to policy has Log Cabin had on the Republican party?

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    06-13-2014 12:02 PM
  15. anon8126715's Avatar
    The problem is how people perceive homosexuality. Some people think it's a choice, and then there is everyone else that actually understands it. I can't imagine someone trying to tell me what I should be attracted to. I like big chested blonde haired women with wealthy parents that have bad taste in men. There isn't any kind of "therapy" that's going to change that.....
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    06-13-2014 06:55 PM
  16. palandri's Avatar
    06-13-2014 07:05 PM
  17. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Is that one of those satire sites like The Onion? :what:
    06-13-2014 07:32 PM
  18. anon8126715's Avatar
    Wow, I wonder if someone can try to sue the stupidity away and take the whole tea party out....
    06-13-2014 07:35 PM
  19. Scott7217's Avatar
    What changes to policy has Log Cabin had on the Republican party?
    Are you looking for something like this?

    Nevada GOP drops platforms against abortions, gay marriage, endorses Sandoval -- Las Vegas Review-Journal (article link here)

    Excerpt: "Amid raucous debate, Nevada Republican Party conventioneers on Saturday stripped opposition to gay marriage and abortion from the party platform and endorsed Gov. Brian Sandoval for governor in the June 10 primary despite misgivings by conservatives, his criticism of the process and his absence from the meeting."


    LCR National & LCR Nevada Statement on Nevada GOP Platform -- Log Cabin Republicans (website link here)

    Excerpt: "Once again, our local Log Cabin Republicans members have made a critical difference pushing the GOP toward the right side of history by going where others fear to tread — or cannot tread because of their party affiliation." Log Cabin Republicans National Executive Director Gregory T. Angelo
    06-13-2014 10:34 PM
  20. phoneaddict78's Avatar
    The problem is how people perceive homosexuality. Some people think it's a choice, and then there is everyone else that actually understands it. I can't imagine someone trying to tell me what I should be attracted to. I like big chested blonde haired women with wealthy parents that have bad taste in men. There isn't any kind of "therapy" that's going to change that.....
    Why on earth would someone with such disdain for rich people want to be with someone with wealthy parents?

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    06-13-2014 11:54 PM
  21. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Are you looking for something like this?

    Nevada GOP drops platforms against abortions, gay marriage, endorses Sandoval -- Las Vegas Review-Journal (article link here)

    Excerpt: "Amid raucous debate, Nevada Republican Party conventioneers on Saturday stripped opposition to gay marriage and abortion from the party platform and endorsed Gov. Brian Sandoval for governor in the June 10 primary despite misgivings by conservatives, his criticism of the process and his absence from the meeting."


    LCR National & LCR Nevada Statement on Nevada GOP Platform -- Log Cabin Republicans (website link here)

    Excerpt: "Once again, our local Log Cabin Republicans members have made a critical difference pushing the GOP toward the right side of history by going where others fear to tread — or cannot tread because of their party affiliation." Log Cabin Republicans National Executive Director Gregory T. Angelo
    Yes! Thank you. That was exactly the kind of thing I was looking for though I question how much the Log Cabin folk actually had to do with that. That press release was a little too "pat ourselves on the back" and partisan for me.

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    06-14-2014 11:12 AM
  22. anon8126715's Avatar
    Why on earth would someone with such disdain for rich people want to be with someone with wealthy parents?

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    I have disdain for GREEDY people. There is a distinction. And your sarcasm meter may be broken btw.....
    06-14-2014 07:52 PM
  23. phoneaddict78's Avatar
    I have disdain for GREEDY people. There is a distinction. And your sarcasm meter may be broken btw.....
    In other words you like rich people that you can get money from.

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    06-15-2014 07:52 AM
  24. msndrstood's Avatar
    In other words you like rich people that you can get money from.

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    I believe he's being facetious. He can't find the sarcasm font on his phone.

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    palandri likes this.
    06-15-2014 08:32 AM
  25. anon8126715's Avatar
    In other words you like rich people that you can get money from.

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    Again, your assumptions are wrong. I don't have disdain for Bill Gates (but I don't get money from him, unless you are referring to the fact that when his products go astray, I fix them for a price, then yes I get money from him), Warren Buffet, and other "rich people" that are actually doing humanitarian work (not just because of the tax breaks) that I personally don't get money from.

    Since we're playing the game "Assumption", I'm going to assume that you're a Tea Partyer that's been brainwashed into believing that big government is bad, that the Occupy Wall Street movement was a terrorist group, that the 1% are "Job Creators", that Obama is really a socialist Muslim, that Sarah Palin is smarter than the public gives her credit for, that Climate Change is fake, and Ronald Reagan should be given Sainthood. Are my assumptions way off base or am I close?
    msndrstood likes this.
    06-15-2014 08:33 AM
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