1. Mark Zagotti's Avatar
    Here is a question out there to ponder, how many of you out there use any of the multitude of cloud based applications and how sensitive are the documents you upload to them?

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    07-06-2013 04:37 PM
  2. mysticmeg's Avatar
    I personally have nothing to worry about. Yeah I'm a muslim. I'm not a terrorist. I'm not affiliated with any terrorist organisations. I attend my daily prayers and keep myself to myself. So why should you or anyone worry about this NSA thing.

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    07-06-2013 05:12 PM
  3. Mark Zagotti's Avatar
    Nothing against muslims in this thread, just the US government spying on its own citizens.

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    07-06-2013 05:19 PM
  4. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    I use nothing in the cloud. They are finding out now that the government has been hacking into emails and facebook and everything else. The government does what they want with our information for a long time.

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    07-06-2013 06:33 PM
  5. msndrstood's Avatar
    Just music. I'm not too worried. This stuff has been going on for years, other countries do it as well. I'm just amazed how everyone is up in arms (so to speak) about something governments have been doing for a very long time. Has anyone even read the Patriot Act? There weren't many complaints when everyone was wrapping themselves in the flag after 9/11 and very little debate about where it was taking us as a country. I guarantee if this were a Republican Administration, we wouldn't be having this chest thumping conversation to the extent we are.

    And Edward Snowden? Traitor. If he had done this during the Cold War, there would be no conversation. He'd be locked up forever or worse.

    He plotted this, he manipulated the system, but did not do such a hot job on the figuring out the details of what he would do after his big reveal. He's been offered asylum in real 'left wing' socialist countries. I find that endlessly amusing. For all the complaints of the President being a socialist, he actually might find out what a socialist society is all about.

    He can kiss a normal life goodbye.



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    07-06-2013 06:53 PM
  6. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    I do not list myself as party affiliated either way. I understand why the patriot act was passed and the feel for its need at the time. Like many other laws and such, I think it is gravely misused and has set up the government to have too much power.

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    07-06-2013 07:03 PM
  7. sure why not's Avatar
    Mark,
    If you're at all concerned about privacy, why on earth are you using an Android device???

    Anytime a thought leaves our skull it becomes 'communication'.
    Whether you are communicating directly with another individual or a server tens of thousands of miles away.
    There is NO expectation of privacy in public.

    The camera capturing you traveling on I-80... or your data on a fiber optic cable, it is ALL being recorded, (and has been for a long time)
    Many of us choose to encourage this by carrying around a tracking device with a unique mac address 24/7.
    Sexting, Tweeting, posting FB status updates or checking into Foursquare, purchasing from Amazon or Ebay or Google.
    Navigation directions, delivery addresses, credit card information.
    Intimate details that that are forever logged and analyzed by any number of algorithms,

    Franklin said (paraphrasing) 'He who gives up a little liberty for security deserves neither'
    There's no point in being indignant about it.
    Welcome to 1984.
    07-06-2013 07:46 PM
  8. zorak950's Avatar
    The genie is out of the bottle; Pandora's box is open. Even if we roll back every single government intrusion in the name of security, most of us would immediately turn around and give our privacy up voluntarily to private corporations for convenience. As long as they don't start showing our bosses and mothers our favorite pornography, we'll keep feeding them our data.
    07-07-2013 03:11 AM
  9. Rule9's Avatar
    Mark,
    If you're at all concerned about privacy, why on earth are you using an Android device???

    Anytime a thought leaves our skull it becomes 'communication'.
    Whether you are communicating directly with another individual or a server tens of thousands of miles away.
    There is NO expectation of privacy in public.

    The camera capturing you traveling on I-80... or your data on a fiber optic cable, it is ALL being recorded, (and has been for a long time)
    Many of us choose to encourage this by carrying around a tracking device with a unique mac address 24/7.
    Sexting, Tweeting, posting FB status updates or checking into Foursquare, purchasing from Amazon or Ebay or Google.
    Navigation directions, delivery addresses, credit card information.
    Intimate details that that are forever logged and analyzed by any number of algorithms,

    Franklin said (paraphrasing) 'He who gives up a little liberty for security deserves neither'
    There's no point in being indignant about it.
    Welcome to 1984.
    I like this post except for one thing I disagree with in the first sentence - I highly doubt iPhones or WP are really making your online actions any more private to any significant degree that matters.
    07-08-2013 05:52 AM
  10. sting7k's Avatar
    Here is a question out there to ponder, how many of you out there use any of the multitude of cloud based applications and how sensitive are the documents you upload to them?

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    All of my sensitive information and documents are carried by the Pony Express. Upon delivery they self destruct after 10 seconds.
    07-08-2013 07:36 AM
  11. sure why not's Avatar
    Edited and expanded.

    I like this post except for one thing I disagree with in the first sentence - I highly doubt iPhones or WP are really making your online actions any more private to any significant degree that matters.
    Rule9,
    I don't think Apple is more benign, but certainly Google *itself* is compiling every word of your emails, search queries, constantly mapping your location, etc... in order to develop a profile and target advertising.

    The Android ecosystem is a big cog in this machine.
    Maps, Voice, Hangouts, Plus+ and any other service contribute to their picture of you.
    And, of course, they have your actual photograph tagged too.

    The NSA is logging everything on every Telco and ISP's servers.
    All bank/credit card transactions
    Probably what cable channel you are watching... at what moment,
    Your social media interactions and contacts.

    John Poindexter's collusion with DARPA on the Total Information Awareness program over a decade ago was just a hint of what was already happening
    Snowden's revelations are OLD news,
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    07-08-2013 07:51 AM
  12. Mark Zagotti's Avatar
    I am very well aware of the fact that even though I have an Android phone, I know Google records just about everything we do including this conversation that we are doing now. I prefer Android over Apple any day and I thought this forum would be a good way just to get everyones thoughts ever since this whole an NSA thing broke out.

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    07-08-2013 07:48 PM
  13. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    You can't limit this to one company or brand. Big government gets its hands on anything it wants to reguardless. The sad thing is when you discover a secret like this you only know half of what's been done.
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    07-08-2013 08:21 PM
  14. sure why not's Avatar
    I am very well aware of the fact that even though I have an Android phone, I know Google records just about everything we do including this conversation that we are doing now. I prefer Android over Apple any day and I thought this forum would be a good way just to get everyones thoughts ever since this whole an NSA thing broke out.

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    You can't limit this to one company or brand. Big government gets its hands on anything it wants to reguardless. The sad thing is when you discover a secret like this you only know half of what's been done.
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    I don't understand what the "secret" is???

    Like I said, this has been pretty much common knowledge since the beginning of this century.
    These government pipeline taps and data centers have been around for a long time before facilities like Bluffdale were even conceived of.
    07-08-2013 10:01 PM
  15. mysticmeg's Avatar
    All of my sensitive information and documents are carried by the Pony Express. Upon delivery they self destruct after 10 seconds.
    LOL any jobs going at Pony Express?

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    07-09-2013 06:03 PM
  16. catborg's Avatar
    I don't understand what the "secret" is???

    Like I said, this has been pretty much common knowledge since the beginning of this century.
    These government pipeline taps and data centers have been around for a long time before facilities like Bluffdale were even conceived of.
    So then are you OKAY that the government is doing this? Do you not feel a sense of injustice that the government is, in essence, doing something directly in contradiction to the 4th amendment?

    I apologize if it sounds like I'm deriding you, but I'm really not. I'm just genuinely curious about what people on the other side of the argument thinks.
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    07-11-2013 03:18 AM
  17. sure why not's Avatar
    So then are you OKAY that the government is doing this? Do you not feel a sense of injustice that the government is, in essence, doing something directly in contradiction to the 4th amendment?

    I apologize if it sounds like I'm deriding you, but I'm really not. I'm just genuinely curious about what people on the other side of the argument thinks.
    I am not on the other side of the argument....
    No, I don't think it is "OKAY that the government is doing this" at all.
    But it is the reality, and it has been for quite some time.

    The Constitution (at this point) IMO is like the dollar.
    An illusion of freedom.
    An ideal backed by nothing.

    We have "rights" and "freedom" only as far as it is convenient or politically expedient for those in Washington to let us have them.
    Otherwise, they will do as they please--with impunity.
    This is true historically and will continue to be true as long as the MIC and Corporate Interests "0wn" the legislature and executive.
    There will always be another boogeyman for them to use as justification for their surveillance, control and military actions.
    If you have no justification, make up another irrational fear or simply move the goalposts.

    Whether a "war on terrorism", "war on drugs" or for your own good, just because "we know better"...
    These policies will continue to waste trillions of dollars, make real enemies worldwide and line their pockets.

    It seems NSA's response is that "we are looking at everything, not targeting anyone in particular".
    Um...yeah... okay...
    Tomorrow you (or I) will be the target du jour because of something, anything.

    Certainly my writing this is enough to attract their attention.
    07-11-2013 04:09 AM

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