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  1. pappy53's Avatar
    Respectfully disagree pappy53 that this reflects in any way, shape, or form on how Obama feels towards charities. If I was President I most definitely would not be answering to the whims of Donald Trump or anybody else who made such an offer, including oil sheiks or any other tycoons from around the globe. I would refuse on a matter of principle that heads of state do not answer to the beck and call of private citizens on personal matters. If they are so important or nefarious then private citizens can lobby their congressional representatives to have a hearing and subpoena the records. There is Due Process for things like this and Donald Trump does not get to circumvent it. It also sets a bad precedent: If Obama was goaded into this game, then whats to stop the next person from making the same challenge?
    Absolutely true. I don't care about his college records, but I do wonder why he went to college on a Kenyan passport.
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    07-29-2013 10:28 PM
  2. jdbii's Avatar
    Absolutely true. I don't care about his college records, but I do wonder why he went to college on a Kenyan passport.
    In the hypothetical, let's say that he did and that it was legal would 1) that in itself disqualify him from being President and why? and 2) would he be under an obligation to share that info with D. Trump and why?

    This is the scenario that I am imagining -- I could see a situation where a US citizen might game the college application process in order to gain an advantage to gain admission to an elite school. So in Obama's case, in the hypothetical, he might have gamed the system by using his Kenyan ethnicity (Or in the extreme hypothetical a Kenyan passport). Gaming the system for college is quite normal. Every single college applicant does it in some form or another, and in the prep schools across the nation gaming the college application process is taught and fiercely encouraged. It is one reason why rich kids in prep schools have big advantages because they have teachers and advisers to coach them through to gain every possible advantage where poor kids do not.

    If you don't want to play along in a hypothetical situation I understand, but I am wondering why if he legally used a Kenyan passport why it would be an issue. We allow dual citizenship in the US don't we?? (Or do we not)? Now if he lied on his college application where asked if you are a US a citizen then I could see the issue, but are college records normally open to the public anyway? If you turned over enough stones in anybody's life you are going to find that every single one of us has secrets. But again, I don't see the issue if he legally used a non-US passport so long as it was legal and he didn't lie.
    07-29-2013 10:55 PM
  3. pappy53's Avatar
    I'll just be glad when he is gone. I don't know why he is pushing Obamacare, when over half of the country doesn't want it Plus, his high-dollar contributing union buddies don't have to be on it, IRS employees are trying to not be on it, and I'm not sure if he and congress has to be on it or not. That would be a travesty if government employees were waived the requirement to be on it, especially when the IRS is overseeing it. Most premiums will rise dramatically, and yes, I know that a few states are claiming lower rates, but overall the rates will rise a lot. On January 1 of this year, our rate with K-Mart insurance through BCBS increased by 35%, and according to BCBS, was mostly due to the upcoming "affordable care act".
    Our healthcare system needs refinement, but this is not the answer. I only hope that the House sticks to their guns, and does not fund it.
    07-29-2013 11:33 PM
  4. jdbii's Avatar
    Well it is a shame if all that is true, and it is too bad that lots of people premiums will go up, but there really is nothing more terrifying in the USA then getting sick without having insurance, especially if it is a major illness or you have a debilitating condition or severe disability.
    People with preexisting conditions are at an incredible disadvantage in the US healthcare system and Obamacare at least is trying to address that.

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    07-30-2013 12:00 AM
  5. sirannon's Avatar
    What would you try to fix, accomplish, implement etc within your first month, first year, second year and so on.

    Maybe something along the lines of the justice system, tax system, unemployment, education, the health industry, foreign policy and whatever else you'd want to tackle.
    Bend over and let the world shaft me just for the irony



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    07-30-2013 04:01 AM
  6. palandri's Avatar
    ...On January 1 of this year, our rate with K-Mart insurance through BCBS increased by 35%, and according to BCBS, was mostly due to the upcoming "affordable care act"....
    That's because BCBS is use to running in a "for profit" mode. The more money you take in and the less you pay out, the more money you make. That's the wrong model for healthcare. Under the affordable healthcare act, insurance companies will be required to pay out 80% of the money they take in. If they don't, it's refunded to the clients. Mark my word on this, We'll see insurance companies busted for cooking their books, when it takes effect.
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    07-31-2013 12:39 AM
  7. pappy53's Avatar
    That's because BCBS is use to running in a "for profit" mode. The more money you take in and the less you pay out, the more money you make. That's the wrong model for healthcare. Under the affordable healthcare act, insurance companies will be required to pay out 80% of the money they take in. If they don't, it's refunded to the clients. Mark my word on this, We'll see insurance companies busted for cooking their books, when it takes effect.
    What insurance company isn't in "for profit" mode? I believe rates are going up because of Obamacare. Rates are drastically increasing in the majority of the states. Rates in CA are reportedly increasing up to 168%. Obama said that rates would go down $2500/yr. Another lie that he has told. Rates are already increasing almost everywhere. But then again, he said the he saved Detroit. How did that work out?
    07-31-2013 02:23 AM
  8. msndrstood's Avatar
    What insurance company isn't in "for profit" mode? I believe rates are going up because of Obamacare. Rates are drastically increasing in the majority of the states. Rates in CA are reportedly increasing up to 168%. Obama said that rates would go down $2500/yr. Another lie that he has told. Rates are already increasing almost everywhere. But then again, he said the he saved Detroit. How did that work out?
    Not true. California and New York rates have dropped drastically. I'll find the article.

    And for the past 2 years my husband has received a refund check from UHC for not spending the 80% of premiums on health care instead of overhead. Last year..$136 and this year, $59.

    California
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...premium-rates/

    New York
    http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/0...-own-insurance

    Maryland
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3661017

    Hmm...

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    07-31-2013 07:09 AM
  9. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    Not true. California and New York rates have dropped drastically. I'll find the article.

    And for the past 2 years my husband has received a refund check from UHC for not spending the 80% of premiums on health care instead of overhead. Last year..$136 and this year, $59.

    California
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...premium-rates/

    New York
    http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/0...-own-insurance

    Maryland
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3661017

    Hmm...

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    There is going to be a significant negative impact in the job market because of obamacare. Many businesses have already cut its employees back. Cut amount of jobs, changed full time slots to part time, etc. People are going to maintain their bottom line. Its going to get worse. When amnesty is pushed through, look how many millions more people will instantly be on obamacare. Where's that money going to come from? Our taxes will double. Government can't run anything efficiently. Medicaid, medicare, social security? Obamacare is only medicaid part 2, its just going to cost more, in more ways than one. Besides, who's going to run it but the IRS, what a joke in light of all they have been up to lately.

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    07-31-2013 07:58 AM
  10. palandri's Avatar
    What insurance company isn't in "for profit" mode? I believe rates are going up because of Obamacare. Rates are drastically increasing in the majority of the states. Rates in CA are reportedly increasing up to 168%. Obama said that rates would go down $2500/yr. Another lie that he has told. Rates are already increasing almost everywhere. But then again, he said the he saved Detroit. How did that work out?

    The not for profit healthcare model is hard to understand since our whole economy is based on capitalism.

    I don't totally disagree with you when you said, "...Our healthcare system needs refinement...". Healthcare has become a monster. When I was young, if you got cut, you went to the clinic and got stitched up and the doctor gave you antibiotics and told you to comeback in a week to get the stitches taken out. Nowadays you enter the healthcare monster when you get a cut, here's what happened to my wife. While playing with her cat, it accidentally scratched her arm going after a toy. She went to her doctor. The cut wasn't deep enough for stitches, but he put her in the hospital to get her a strong drip antibiotic. Then an infection specialist doctor came in and ran a series of test. Then a bone specialist doctor came in and ran a series of test. Her doctor kept her in the hospital for 3 days. You should have seen the bill after a 3 day hospital stay, it would have knocked your socks off. It was cat scratch.

    Your other point about another lie Obama told is nothing more than political spin from the right. They have been calling Obama a liar from day one. Remember Joe Wilson standing up during Obama's first state of the union address and calling him a liar? Honestly, don't you think congress would have filed perjury charges (lying to congress) against him if he has been lying since day one? So it would be senseless for me to even get into that with you. Yes, I am a left leaning, blue collar, working class, union worker.

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    Not true. California and New York rates have dropped drastically. I'll find the article.

    And for the past 2 years my husband has received a refund check from UHC for not spending the 80% of premiums on health care instead of overhead. Last year..$136 and this year, $59.

    California
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...premium-rates/

    New York
    http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/0...-own-insurance

    Maryland
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3661017

    Hmm...

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    +1 Thank you. It's something that is so misunderstood.
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    07-31-2013 08:14 AM
  11. msndrstood's Avatar
    There is going to be a significant negative impact in the job market because of obamacare. Many businesses have already cut its employees back. Cut amount of jobs, changed full time slots to part time, etc. People are going to maintain their bottom line. Its going to get worse. When amnesty is pushed through, look how many millions more people will instantly be on obamacare. Where's that money going to come from? Our taxes will double. Government can't run anything efficiently. Medicaid, medicare, social security? Obamacare is only medicaid part 2, its just going to cost more, in more ways than one. Besides, who's going to run it but the IRS, what a joke in light of all they have been up to lately.

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    It doesn't matter what anyone says, you will believe what you want. The truth hasn't stopped the Right's propaganda machine so far, why should it stop it now?

    Btw, you should look up Texas' real death panels. And it has nothing to do with Obamacare, just pure profit.

    Look here, I saved you the work....
    http://www.aapsonline.org/index.php/...ents39_rights/

    ...And, you have no say in the matter.

    Love that Texas brand of democracy!



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    07-31-2013 09:23 AM
  12. Fairclough's Avatar
    Look up RAC car insurance. Its a not for profit insurance company.

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    07-31-2013 09:28 AM
  13. badbrad17's Avatar
    There's a reason Canada is one if not the most taxed countries in the world. But I will say that there is also something very nice about being able to go to the doctor whenever you need to without stress or worry about costs. So many other countries have great health care that works for the people. I think the US health care system really needs an overhaul.

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    07-31-2013 09:44 AM
  14. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    There's a reason Canada is one if not the most taxed countries in the world. But I will say that there is also something very nice about being able to go to the doctor whenever you need to without stress or worry about costs. So many other countries have great health care that works for the people. I think the US health care system really needs an overhaul.

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    Agree that healthcare needs an overhaul. There are provisions in this bill that allows them the right to deny you certain services. They will ration certain things and procedures based on your age as well as other factors. My 60 year old uncle needs a heart transplant and they tell him that the cost of surgery is not worth the longevity of life it will provide.(real scenario. ..my uncle had to come to the US to get his surgery) Personally I would like to have seen something done so that insurance can be shopped across state lines.

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    07-31-2013 10:23 AM
  15. badbrad17's Avatar
    Agree that healthcare needs an overhaul. There are provisions in this bill that allows them the right to deny you certain services. They will ration certain things and procedures based on your age as well as other factors. My 60 year old uncle needs a heart transplant and they tell him that the cost of surgery is not worth the longevity of life it will provide.(real scenario. ..my uncle had to come to the US to get his surgery) Personally I would like to have seen something done so that insurance can be shopped across state lines.

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    Mexico is offering private health care at a fraction of the cost. And top quality too. A friend of my dad's had a heart attack when he was on vacation and they took him to a private hospital. They did a number of major tests plus gave him heart meds. He was there for 5 days and said it was better than staying at their 5 star resort. They made him made to order food and everything. My dad said the place was beautiful and had the latest technology.

    Total cost was 3k.

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    07-31-2013 10:33 AM
  16. pappy53's Avatar
    Not true. California and New York rates have dropped drastically. I'll find the article.

    And for the past 2 years my husband has received a refund check from UHC for not spending the 80% of premiums on health care instead of overhead. Last year..$136 and this year, $59.

    California
    Unexpected Health Insurance Rate Shock-California Obamacare Insurance Exchange Announces Premium Rates - Forbes

    New York
    New York Says Obamacare Is Going to Cut Rates in Half for People Who Buy Their Own Insurance | Mother Jones

    Maryland
    Maryland Touts Low Obamacare Health Insurance Premiums

    Hmm...

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    This article came out after the one you listed:

    A War On Sis? In California, Single Women Will Also Face A Doubling Of Health Insurance Premiums Due To Obamacare - Forbes

    That doesn't look good.
    07-31-2013 10:54 AM
  17. pappy53's Avatar
    Your other point about another lie Obama told is nothing more than political spin from the right. They have been calling Obama a liar from day one. Remember Joe Wilson standing up during Obama's first state of the union address and calling him a liar? Honestly, don't you think congress would have filed perjury charges (lying to congress) against him if he has been lying since day one? So it would be senseless for me to even get into that with you. Yes, I am a left leaning, blue collar, working class, union worker.
    Benghazi attacked because of video----Lie

    I'll save Detroit---Lie

    Insurance rates will go down $2500/yr---Lie

    Al Queda is on the run-----Major lie

    These are just off the top of my head, and they are not a political spin. Just facts.

    And these are not lies to Congress, but to the American people.
    07-31-2013 11:06 AM
  18. matt0715's Avatar
    I would....

    1. Get rid of the over 1000 page obamacare that no one knows what they are signing off on.

    2. Strengthen border security to the max and make all illegal immigrants have no benefits at all. Sorry but there have been many people waiting to get into this country fair and square, and the illegal immigrants don't pay taxes so should have no U.S recognition at all.

    3. Reform social security in a way where I will actually be able to get it in 50 years (there is no way anybody is getting their money in 50 years). Social security was made because people were stupid and didn't save their money for retirement. Stop making people who want to save money themselves pay for social security.

    4. Make marijuana legal and tax the heck out of it. Why do you think cigarettes are still on the market?

    Those are the things right off the top of my head that I would do, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

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    07-31-2013 11:24 AM
  19. gollum18's Avatar
    Politics is a lie, straight and simple. Politicians aren't voted into office because of their ethics/morals. They are voted in because of their ability to lie to and deceive the american people.

    Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves. Vote independent (like I do), those people have no reason to lie or appease to certain groups of people.

    The only way you can tell a politician isn't lying is when their mouth is closed.

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    07-31-2013 11:32 AM
  20. palandri's Avatar
    Benghazi attacked because of video----Lie

    I'll save Detroit---Lie

    Insurance rates will go down $2500/yr---Lie

    Al Queda is on the run-----Major lie

    These are just off the top of my head, and they are not a political spin. Just facts.

    And these are not lies to Congress, but to the American people.
    If that's what you truly believe the facts are, I am sure you'll be working hard behind the scenes for the GOP or Tea Party in the upcoming midterm elections and the next presidential elections. Best of luck to you.
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    07-31-2013 12:20 PM
  21. palandri's Avatar

    2. ...and the illegal immigrants don't pay taxes so should have no U.S recognition at all....
    While I am sure a lot of illegal aliens work for cash and don't pay taxes, you need to be careful here. There's been a few articles about the amount of tax illegal aliens do pay and it's a pretty hefty sum. I'll let you google it, so you can select the source. Just saying.
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    07-31-2013 12:33 PM
  22. pappy53's Avatar
    If that's what you truly believe the facts are, I am sure you'll be working hard behind the scenes for the GOP or Tea Party in the upcoming midterm elections and the next presidential elections. Best of luck to you.
    Can you dispute any of those that I listed?
    07-31-2013 12:37 PM
  23. pappy53's Avatar
    While I am sure a lot of illegal aliens work for cash and don't pay taxes, you need to be careful here. There's been a few articles about the amount of tax illegal aliens do pay and it's a pretty hefty sum. I'll let you google it, so you can select the source. Just saying.
    Illegal immigrants shouldn't be here, anyway.
    07-31-2013 12:39 PM
  24. matt0715's Avatar
    While I am sure a lot of illegal aliens work for cash and don't pay taxes, you need to be careful here. There's been a few articles about the amount of tax illegal aliens do pay and it's a pretty hefty sum. I'll let you google it, so you can select the source. Just saying.
    I did a search and while some probably do, many don't and if they do they probably don't pay all the taxes they should be paying. But, thanks for pointing out that flaw, I always like learning from my mistakes.

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    07-31-2013 12:54 PM
  25. Fairclough's Avatar
    I love the debate on illegal immigrants.
    E.g over here "boat people" did you know they really count for less than 0.1% of illegal immigrants, most just over stay their visa.

    I'm sure if illegal immigrants were given the chance they would pay tax.

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    07-31-2013 05:22 PM
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