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  1. Scott7217's Avatar
    I just wanted to share some information on what the government designates as a "destructive device" that civilians can legally own. (More information is on page 3031 of the Internal Revenue Code, 26 USC 5845.)

    "Any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas (A) bomb, (B) grenade, (C) rocket having a propellent charge of more than four ounces, (D) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (E) mine, or (F) similar device"

    Of course, state laws may add additional restrictions. I just thought it was interesting that if people wanted to, they could own something that is probably deadlier than a rifle.
    11-19-2013 04:25 PM
  2. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    I don't like seeing them. If you want to conceal carry, that's one thing. For me, open carry is a means of intimidation. I don't want to go to the local store and be confronted with guns at every turn. My husband has his CCP, we have an assortment of firearms, and I do shoot. I just don't see the need to strap a gun on your hip to make a point.

    Plus, it scares the kids. Including my grandson, who also shoots with my husband. I think it is unnecessary. My opinion. YMMV.

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    I don't have a problem with it either way, but I can see your point.

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    11-19-2013 04:33 PM
  3. msndrstood's Avatar
    I don't have a problem with it either way, but I can see your point.

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    Thank you.

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    11-19-2013 04:34 PM
  4. palandri's Avatar
    I've heard that on bases that are NOT in a combat area, military personnel are not allowed to carry firearms unless they are training or their day-to-day duties require them (e.g. military police). Is that true? If it is, it seems very odd to me. Everyone in the military is trained in the proper use of firearms, so they know how to handle them safely. I would have no problem with them carrying a sidearm at all times.

    Obviously, that changes if you're in combat. In that case, I would expect all military personnel to carry whatever weapons they have at all times.
    I can speak for the U.S. Coast Guard. There's a Gunners Mate on every ship or land base that controls all the weapons. I don't recall anyone walking around a ship or land base wearing a weapon 24/7 (with the exception of SP's). On ship, if you were on a boarding party or involved with war games, the Gunners Mate would distribute the weapons and you would return them at the end of the exercise. If you brought a personal weapon to your land base or ship, you had to check it in with the Gunner Mate. The only time I was wearing a side arm every day is when I spent my last six months as a gate guard, but that was checked in and out with my shift, and of course it wasn't my weapon, it was the governments.
    11-19-2013 04:57 PM
  5. msndrstood's Avatar
    My father was at Pearl Harbor and while everyone had access to their guns, the ammo was locked up tight. That was one of his biggest complaints that day that he never forgot.

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    11-19-2013 05:05 PM
  6. alexlam24's Avatar
    My father was at Pearl Harbor and while everyone had access to their guns, the ammo was locked up tight. That was one of his biggest complaints that day that he never forgot.

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    11-20-2013 07:02 AM
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    'MURICA

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    Why don't you just make 'murica your signature (since you're always posting it) and make it easier for yourself?
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    11-20-2013 07:48 AM
  8. Tall Mike 2145's Avatar
    Well, I'm a pretty big fan of Social Contract Theory, so...
    11-20-2013 04:21 PM
  9. Scott7217's Avatar
    If you brought a personal weapon to your land base or ship, you had to check it in with the Gunner Mate.
    Just so I understand you correctly, if you brought in your own personal weapon from home and checked it in, could you still carry it (either open or concealed) while you were working? Or do you mean you have to surrender your personal weapon to the Gunner Mate (who would lock it up) and get it back at the end of your shift?
    11-20-2013 09:58 PM
  10. Scott7217's Avatar
    To borrow from talk radio host Andrew Wilkow, I like the idea of your right to be free includes my right to be free from you.
    Could this apply to protests conducted by the Westboro Baptist Church? They protest against homosexuality at military funerals. Often, their protest interrupts the funeral ceremony, which adds more stress to the grieving family. The Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church, on the grounds that they had the right to free speech.

    If the grieving family had the right to be free of the Westboro Baptist Church, would the church be forbidden to protest at funerals?
    11-20-2013 10:27 PM
  11. palandri's Avatar
    Just so I understand you correctly, if you brought in your own personal weapon from home and checked it in, could you still carry it (either open or concealed) while you were working? Or do you mean you have to surrender your personal weapon to the Gunner Mate (who would lock it up) and get it back at the end of your shift?
    OK, sorry I wasn't more clear on this. If you brought a personal weapon, you checked it in with the Gunners Mate. I don't remember seeing anyone carrying a personal weapon around, on duty or off duty. There could have been, but it wasn't something I thought about, asked about or looked for back then. The only people I remember walking around with a weapon on a land base were the SP's on duty and it was always a standard government issued 45. People who checked their personal weapons in, would normally check them out for hunting or going to the range with the Gunners Mate. On ship. I remember a few guys that had pistols checked in with the Gunners Mate and they would practice shooting balloons from time to time off the stern of the ship.

    I was stationed in Alameda, CA, Corpus Cristi, TX, Yorktown, VA and St.Louis, MO. I also spent a lot a time at the Navy base in Norfolk, VA for schooling. You can see a few Mobile Nations members military pictures (including a few from me) over at: Military personnel...grab a can of night vision and line up with your BA eleven-hundred novembers - Windows Phone Central Forums
    11-20-2013 11:10 PM
  12. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Could this apply to protests conducted by the Westboro Baptist Church? They protest against homosexuality at military funerals. Often, their protest interrupts the funeral ceremony, which adds more stress to the grieving family. The Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church, on the grounds that they had the right to free speech.

    If the grieving family had the right to be free of the Westboro Baptist Church, would the church be forbidden to protest at funerals?
    I haven't kept up with that group, but I was under the impression that they had to keep a certain distance from the funerals out of respect for the families. I would say they shouldn't have the right to interrupt non-governmental private events. To borrow another Wilkow'ism, the right to free speech doesn't give you the right to be heard.
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    11-20-2013 11:21 PM
  13. Tall Mike 2145's Avatar
    I'm not saying anything bad should happen to the Westboro Baptist Church. But, if they were to be struck by lightning, all at the same time, I might very possibly be tempted to offer to buy God a beer.

    True story.
    11-20-2013 11:36 PM
  14. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I'm not saying anything bad should happen to the Westboro Baptist Church. But, if they were to be struck by lightning, all at the same time, I might very possibly be tempted to offer to buy God a beer.

    True story.
    I'm not a religious person, but something like that happening would make me rethink that position.
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    11-20-2013 11:58 PM
  15. alexlam24's Avatar
    Why don't you just make 'murica your signature (since you're always posting it) and make it easier for yourself?
    Because I can't hear you over my freedom.

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    11-21-2013 06:58 AM
  16. Scott7217's Avatar
    If you brought a personal weapon, you checked it in with the Gunners Mate. I don't remember seeing anyone carrying a personal weapon around, on duty or off duty. There could have been, but it wasn't something I thought about, asked about or looked for back then.
    Thanks for the clarification. It's always refreshing to hear people's personal experiences.

    I wouldn't have a problem with all members of the US Coast Guard openly carrying a sidearm if they were in uniform. They have formal training to use weapons, and I wouldn't think twice about it. The good thing is that if a criminal decided to enter a base and start shooting, anybody from the Coast Guard could return fire to defend themselves. As for base security, I think those personnel could carry rifles and respond to elevated threats.
    11-21-2013 10:28 PM
  17. Scott7217's Avatar
    I haven't kept up with that group, but I was under the impression that they had to keep a certain distance from the funerals out of respect for the families. I would say they shouldn't have the right to interrupt non-governmental private events. To borrow another Wilkow'ism, the right to free speech doesn't give you the right to be heard.
    I think the Westboro Baptist Church specifically stands on public land and obey all police instructions, so they don't do anything illegal. On top of that, if you pick a fight and throw a punch at a church member, you could be charged with assault and taken to court.

    It is an interesting case. The Church has a right to free speech and freedom of religion. If they are on public land, they are not guilty of trespassing. If they want to find out details about the funeral and information about the deceased, they can read the obituary from the newspaper, which is public information.

    Since there is no right to privacy, the next best thing would be to call the Patriot Guard Riders, which is a group who attends funerals to protect the family from protesters. I've heard they often come on their motorcycles and rev their engines to drown out the noise of the protest.
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    11-21-2013 11:01 PM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    I think the Westboro Baptist Church specifically stands on public land and obey all police instructions, so they don't do anything illegal. On top of that, if you pick a fight and throw a punch at a church member, you could be charged with assault and taken to court.

    It is an interesting case. The Church has a right to free speech and freedom of religion. If they are on public land, they are not guilty of trespassing. If they want to find out details about the funeral and information about the deceased, they can read the obituary from the newspaper, which is public information.

    Since there is no right to privacy, the next best thing would be to call the Patriot Guard Riders, which is a group who attends funerals to protect the family from protesters. I've heard they often come on their motorcycles and rev their engines to drown out the noise of the protest.
    I've wondered how eager a jury would be to convict a distraught parent who, in a grief driven temporary break from their senses, slaughtered the entire congregation of the Westboro "Baptist Church" in attendance of their child, the slain soldier.

    "Baptist Church" is in quotes, because this is one of the most perverse corruptions of the concept of religion that we have in modern times. Hiding their hatred behind their "faith" that totally contravenes all teachings of the book they so love to misquote.

    Also, I LOVE the Patriot Guard Riders. I saw them in person after watching a documentary about them, and they are exactly what is needed there. A show of solidarity with the fallen and their families, while peacefully using their strength to shield the innocent from some of the worst scum America has to offer the world.
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    11-21-2013 11:31 PM
  19. Tall Mike 2145's Avatar
    I'm still pretty happy that rock band shot porn video of their female bass player on WBC's front lawn. Yep, that made me pretty happy indeed.
    11-22-2013 01:24 AM
  20. Live2ride883's Avatar
    To be fair, the most common businesses that do not allow firearms are giant stores like Target and Walmart, movie theaters, bars and restaurants. Oddly enough, I haven't seen signs banning them in bars in Iowa, but they were all over the place in Kansas City (MO).
    The Walmart where I live allows open carry.
    11-25-2013 11:43 AM
  21. Aquila's Avatar
    The Walmart where I live allows open carry.
    Interesting that it is not consistent. They have huge signs and put it on their posted rules here.

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    11-25-2013 11:53 AM
  22. NoYankees44's Avatar
    Just a clarification:

    In both states i have lived in, there is no difference between open and concealed carry in terms of businesses not allowing firearms. They either allow firearms or do not. Does not matter if it is on your hip or tucked in your belt.
    11-25-2013 12:24 PM
  23. Aquila's Avatar
    Just a clarification:

    In both states i have lived in, there is no difference between open and concealed carry in terms of businesses not allowing firearms. They either allow firearms or do not. Does not matter if it is on your hip or tucked in your belt.
    I've never seen a business or other establishment make a distinction either.

    Nexus. Through spacetime.
    11-25-2013 02:47 PM
  24. plumbrich's Avatar
    Walmart policy is to follow state law where the store is located. If it is legal to carry in the state and a store sign states they do not allow guns then that is there store policy. If you forget you had it concealed on you and you somehow managed to fall and pull your pants down and they see it they can ask you to leave.

    If you are seen with it you have broke store policy NOT the law. No different than a store policy of no shoes they can ask you to leave. However if somehow they see your concealed carry gun and ask you to leave and you don't then you could be in trouble for trespassing not carrying a gun.. Store policies and the law are two totally different things..
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    11-25-2013 04:32 PM
  25. Fairclough's Avatar
    You know stores could technically say its a breach of contract if they caught breaking store policy if its clearly displayed on entry as your would think it would be a term or conditions of entry.

    Contracts do not have to be often written or agreed upon. E.g. when you buy a bus ticket you are agreeing in a contract to following their terms and conditions really without much thought, similar to entering a store.

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    11-26-2013 06:27 AM
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