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  1. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    It amazes me that most people that want guns outlawed know the least about them. If trouble comes your way, its too late to call a cop. Besides, the supreme court has already ruled police are not responsible for your safety.

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    04-26-2013 03:27 PM
  2. Jennifer Stough's Avatar
    I think you handled yourself respectably and as you stated, you were well within your rights. You were patient and understanding as well as cooperative with the police even though there was nothing illegal taking place. It is not the people who have taken the time to recieve a carry and conceal license that people should be worrying about. Its the people without them that are in possession of firearms that should be feared. Good for you! My husband will be going the beginning of may to get his carry and conceal for the state of Texas, as well as purchasing his first personal firearm. I support his and your right to protect yourself within the limits of the law.

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    04-26-2013 03:58 PM
  3. Live2ride883's Avatar
    They were just ignorant.

    They didn't realize you made that park that much safer.

    You handled it differently that I would have (I wouldn't consent to any searches or anything) and I would have recorded it as allowed by my states law (check your statutes about recording) so that I had a leg to stand on.

    A gun carried by a man with a permit is nothing to fear, it simply means he's been background checked, fingerprinted, his prints are on file with the FBI, and he's waited for all the ATF's checks to come back.

    It's the people who have guns but haven't done those things that are too worry about, and those will never let their guns be seen.

    I don't worry about conceal or open carrying, do what works best for you.

    I'm a black man however, so I conceal because I've been hit with too many BMWAG calls. I wear a shirt and tie daily so it's not my style of dress. It's not how I carry myself, so I only openly carry when I'm around others openly carrying as an outing at Starbucks or something.

    Do what works for you

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    Those BMWAG calls have to be a pain in the ...., on a side note I got the 3 ar-30's I ordered awhile back.

    I kinda prefer to open carry simply for the fact that the bad guys will see it and understand that I am someone that they have to deal with from the beginning of any crap that they might have planned, and it may force them to cancel those plans.
    04-26-2013 04:02 PM
  4. The Hustleman's Avatar
    Those BMWAG calls have to be a pain in the ...., on a side note I got the 3 ar-30's I ordered awhile back.

    I kinda prefer to open carry simply for the fact that the bad guys will see it and understand that I am someone that they have to deal with from the beginning of any crap that they might have planned, and it may force them to cancel those plans.
    I tend to lazy conceal. Throw a shirt over it and let it be.

    That way they don't catch it and I'm still able to lift the shirt if needed

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    04-26-2013 05:15 PM
  5. PittiesRule's Avatar
    I've often wondered how I'd act if the same situation would happen to me.

    You handled yourself very well.

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    04-26-2013 07:59 PM
  6. Live2ride883's Avatar
    I wonder how I will handle it when/if I run into that same couple at the same park or another one in the future...
    04-26-2013 08:56 PM
  7. ItnStln's Avatar
    Not only that; but what about people like hospital staff, EMS, firefighters, telecommunications workers and beekeepers?
    I didn't think about that.
    04-26-2013 09:25 PM
  8. AssetMobileLLC's Avatar
    I think you handled the situation well. I would have done the same thing! I prefer to conceal carry that way I am not the initial target if an attack were to happen but thats just my personal prefrence. I have my CPL through Michigan but I live right on the Border of Ohio so I often carry in both states.

    It drives me crazy when people act so rash about others carrying. They feel no matter what that you are the bad guy even when you have more composure than them. Plus they don't realize what kind of background you have. For instance I served in the military and now I carry a side arm and a rifle everyday for my job! If they knew that they might be singing a different tone.
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    04-26-2013 10:54 PM
  9. AssetMobileLLC's Avatar
    The issue that I face with people that are anti-gun is that you will never and I repeat never get rid of firearms out of a criminal's hands. If they want a firearm they will get it and you wont be able to track it. I have opened carried in the past but do not do it anymore because if an attacker was going to attack they will take out there biggest threat first and that would be the guy showing his firearm. By allowing reasponsible people with the proper education the right to conceal carry is one of the best deterents against these criminals. I have served in the military and I currently carry a side arm and a rifle at work everyday. Isn't comforting to know that I would have your back and possibly stop an attacker from killing multiple innocent lives.
    04-26-2013 11:34 PM
  10. Live2ride883's Avatar
    04-26-2013 11:54 PM
  11. Tall Mike 2145's Avatar
    If you want to eliminate the majority of crime in the United states, all we have to do is recognize that prohibition is a failed concept, and decriminalize all drugs. This would kill drug cartels, massively reduce the price of all drugs, enable government inspectors to keep tabs and regulate them, get rid of the illicit draw that they have at present, and all of that would then ultimately result in significantly less crime.

    Do that, and the majority of instances where guns are used would likely be eliminated. Then, we simply *wouldn't* have a gun problem in this country.

    Oh, and how about we take the comparative fraction of what it costs on the so-called "war on drugs" that's necessary to provide assistance to those who want to recover from addiction. That way, we could save considerable money and deploy national resources to combat things that need to be, instead of this pointless action.

    And, this would largely kill the overseas cartel operations, particularly when other governments see our success story and their people have a similar moment of clarity and advocate for the same policies.

    Or, y'know, we could just leave everything as is, and keep up the problems we have, and just band-aid everything like we presently do to the tune of tens (or probably a lot more) of billions of dollars a year.
    04-27-2013 09:44 AM
  12. Tall Mike 2145's Avatar
    You handled that situation awesomely, as far as I'm concerned.

    Then again, if I saw you open-carrying, it wouldn't have bothered me in the least bit.
    04-27-2013 09:48 AM
  13. The Hustleman's Avatar
    If there weren't guns available to murderers, the police wouldn't need to be armed. It's a vicious cycle.

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    And if the police didn't need to be armed neither would citizens.

    If you could find a way to remove guns from criminals I'd happily give up my guns.

    The people of the us need guns for the same reason the cops do - the crooks have them, and only an ***** thinks it's actually a good idea to be unarmed against an armed assailant

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    04-27-2013 10:21 AM
  14. The Hustleman's Avatar
    Fair point I might not be American, a few mates are but I am not. However I have question, in all seriousness why do you feel the need to have a gun? (and don't say its a right due to the constitution or amendment)
    Because there are some very evil people out there and there a wise man would rather have something they never need than need something they never had.

    My logical side tells me that due to the 2 rapes that occurred in my area within the past 2 months, with both descriptions being 2 men 225 and 250 lbs, 6', my wife should have one. How else would she be able to defend against 2 larger men? Stun gun? That may work but I'd prefer she didn't get that close to them, plus if they are wearing thick winter clothing it wouldn't work either. Our knife laws in Atlanta SUCK so she can't carry a knife, cops are to heavy these days to fit on belts, the only logical solution is to have my wife armed.

    There have been robberies in! Neighborhood that have turned violent against unarmed people. The only survivor was the guy that was armed. Logic once again dictates I'm safer with it that without.

    I couldn't care less about doing something because it's a right, I do it for safety concerns and my gun (aka American Express) has saved my life 2x, and indirectly once. I carry because I'm smart enough to know that you don't always get a warning.

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    04-27-2013 10:43 AM
  15. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Fair point I might not be American, a few mates are but I am not. However I have question, in all seriousness why do you feel the need to have a gun? (and don't say its a right due to the constitution or amendment)
    As a husband and parent it is my responsibility to provide for and PROTECT my wife and children.

    It is my right and duty to protect myself, to defend my life. While our Constitution enumerates and guarantees our rights, it does not grant them.
    04-27-2013 07:25 PM
  16. minnick's Avatar
    I think many Americans have forgotten (or worse, purposely misled) that our founding fathers were deathly afraid of too much government power and wanted to ensure the nation they were helping to lay the foundation for would never be allowed to fall subservient to another form of parliament. We, the people, are the ones that are supposed to control the government. Our right to bear arms is the ultimate form of final control. They feared being disarmed by their government then becoming slaves to the policies of aristocrats and other politically powerful groups. We're a democratic REPUBLIC, not a democracy. The founding fathers had the foresight (and hindsight) to know that mob rule does not work. Unfortunately, that is how we see the results of today. There are more voters on some form of social welfare than those without assistance. Is this not obvious to everyone that this is horrible? Many people do need these benefits but I will opine that a large number absolutely do not need them and are just leeching/transferring wealth from the workers to the non workers (socialism?). Then these people are the majority of voters. Is it really that surprising that the candidate that pitches the most social welfare to the public will win?

    Sick! Now the rage responses will come!

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    04-27-2013 08:06 PM
  17. Fairclough's Avatar
    The links were incorrect, our gun laws didn't come in 2006 - they came in 1996. Thus the reduction of violence was decreasing the same time guns laws were implemented and for the 2006 increase in crimes it also corresponds with our population boom with some years about 10%. They should get their stats from ABS (Aus Bureau of Statistics).

    "Several Australian gun clubs are deceiving the public by claiming that the National Firearms Agreement of 1996 has not been successful. The Sporting Shooters Association (SSAA) and the International Coalition for Women in Shooting and Hunting are two examples. We believe that soon our politicians will realise that it is often unwise to trust gun club leaders on gun law matters.

    The two graphs shown below use Australian Bureau of Statistics data, they show how the number of deaths by firearm homicide and firearm suicide have been greatly reduced since stricter gun laws were introduced after 32 people were murdered in six massacres by legal gun owners in 1987, and 41 people were murdered by non-criminal gun owners in two massacres in 1996."

    As for the current guns which were in house holds - the government did a recall were people (including my own family) gave in the rifles - only about 1 million guns were melted but considering there were only about 3 million guns in the public thats a large chunk!

    Attached this last image for the haters haha
    Pay attention to the countries with strict gun laws... their at the bottom. I'm not suggesting anyones idiots, its understandable that everyone want's to protect their family with strict laws it means low calibre criminals won't have arms e.g petty thiefs, I cannot say that upper the chains they won't have guns but they won't have guns on them in public because here known figures get harassed like crazy and if they got caught with a gun on them its game over with Aus law.As for violence police, medics, public transit etc are protected well. If there are 3 offenses (can be at the 1 sitting e.g hit 3 people) its an automatic 6 months gaol (jail) sentence without a trial + a trial for additional chargers.
    Attached Thumbnails Firearms and self-defense-1995-2006-1-1-.png   Firearms and self-defense-1995-2006-2.png   Firearms and self-defense-353-guns-300x0.jpg  
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    04-27-2013 09:15 PM
  18. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Look at the homicide rates in cities with tough gun control laws such as Chicago, or New York. In these areas it is very difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase and carry a firearm (Illinois still hasn't set up their conceal carry laws as far as I know). In these places only 2 types of people have guns cops and criminals with the average citizen unable to defend himself or his family.
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    04-27-2013 10:20 PM
  19. rexxman's Avatar
    I think many Americans have forgotten (or worse, purposely misled) that our founding fathers were deathly afraid of too much government power and wanted to ensure the nation they were helping to lay the foundation for would never be allowed to fall subservient to another form of parliament. We, the people, are the ones that are supposed to control the government. Our right to bear arms is the ultimate form of final control. They feared being disarmed by their government then becoming slaves to the policies of aristocrats and other politically powerful groups. We're a democratic REPUBLIC, not a democracy. The founding fathers had the foresight (and hindsight) to know that mob rule does not work. Unfortunately, that is how we see the results of today. There are more voters on some form of social welfare than those without assistance. Is this not obvious to everyone that this is horrible? Many people do need these benefits but I will opine that a large number absolutely do not need them and are just leeching/transferring wealth from the workers to the non workers (socialism?). Then these people are the majority of voters. Is it really that surprising that the candidate that pitches the most social welfare to the public will win?

    Sick! Now the rage responses will come!

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    No rage but would like to know what facts you have to support your conclusion about voters on government assistance.

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    04-27-2013 10:24 PM
  20. llamabreath's Avatar
    Look at the homicide rates in cities with tough gun control laws such as Chicago, or New York. In these areas it is very difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase and carry a firearm (Illinois still hasn't set up their conceal carry laws as far as I know). In these places only 2 types of people have guns cops and criminals with the average citizen unable to defend himself or his family.
    New York is a helluva lot safer than Chicago these days.
    04-27-2013 10:32 PM
  21. The Hustleman's Avatar
    New York is a helluva lot safer than Chicago these days.
    Or dc.

    And their gun laws are worse than anyone, but yet and still do much killing

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    04-27-2013 11:13 PM
  22. return_0's Avatar
    Look at the homicide rates in cities with tough gun control laws such as Chicago, or New York. In these areas it is very difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase and carry a firearm (Illinois still hasn't set up their conceal carry laws as far as I know). In these places only 2 types of people have guns cops and criminals with the average citizen unable to defend himself or his family.
    What about that incorrect link you posted? The one disproven by Fairclough?

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    04-27-2013 11:43 PM
  23. Live2ride883's Avatar
    What about that incorrect link you posted? The one disproven by Fairclough?

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    Which link?
    04-28-2013 12:18 AM
  24. Aquila's Avatar
    Which link?
    The article about Aussie violent crime doesn't mesh with firearm related homicide statistics... because violent crime includes other crimes.
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    04-28-2013 01:21 AM
  25. jdbii's Avatar
    I prefer to conceal carry that way I am not the initial target if an attack were to happen but thats just my personal prefrence
    That makes sense. You might scare away a petty thug, but a hardened criminal might come up from behind and target you without you even knowing.

    Plus they don't realize what kind of background you have.
    Sorry, but this cuts both ways, and this is exactly why the young father was within his rights (not saying anyone is saying his isn't) to call the cops. He had no way of knowing that L2R was licensed and legal. An unlicensed person could have easily lied, and maybe if somebody had called the cops if they had seen any of the assailants in the numerous recent massacres a tragedy could have been avoided. People are on edge after the massacres and Boston. Furthermore, a background check by the government is not some kind of magic wand that once waived means no questions can be asked.

    There is a big push in Oregon for people to apply for concealed weapons permits. Pro-gun organizations are sponsoring seminars from town to town and the events are so popular that it is standing room only. The law of averages will guarantee that people will slip through the cracks.
    04-28-2013 01:25 AM
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