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  1. Live2ride883's Avatar
    You can't possible take yourself seriously and believe this statement. By openly carrying a weapon you are telegraphing very loudly publicly that you are person not to be *ucked with. You've made it quite clear that is your intent. I'll go out on a limb here and surmise that you are a capable looking guy that oozes testosterone. You could probably just wiggle your pinky finger and that would be enough to scare off many men. So a guy like you packing openly and coming into contact with other people's children in a state park is not that different than some big burly and scary looking stranger walking through a playground with a chainsaw strapped to his back. You can explain all you want to the police that you were minding your own business and within your constitutional rights but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that some parents of toddlers in your vicinity are going to be nervous and call the police.

    I did nothing to interfere with their activities, I was going about my business when he approached me.
    So it's OK to judge someone's intentions by their appearance? I bet this is why The Hustleman gets so many BMWAG calls...
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    04-28-2013 11:11 PM
  2. Live2ride883's Avatar
    The only women I've seen with guns on their sides were law enforcement. How often do you see a plain Jane openly carrying? I NEVER saw it, growing up in NYC and I've never seen it here in Atlanta, and guns are alot more accessible here than up north.
    I don't know what the gun laws are in Atlanta, and I am not as familiar with New Yorks as I am with Ohio's.

    I'll admit that today not as many women openly carry in this area as they did when I was growing up. But it's not all that uncommon either.
    04-28-2013 11:21 PM
  3. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Good point. I never thought of that, but she needs to be trained and know how to use it. Otherwise there is the potential that she will be disarmed and the weapon used against her.
    My wife is trained and is a pretty decent shot.

    One of the reasons she carries is that a number of years ago there was this woman that broke down along the highway just outside of the city we live in. She was only about a 1/2 mile from a roadside rest. Well this guy stopped to help and ended up kid napping her and holding her for more than a week. She was raped almost 2 dozen times before she escaped.
    04-28-2013 11:23 PM
  4. Live2ride883's Avatar
    I found this on Facebook tonight, and yes it really is that simple.
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    04-29-2013 12:01 AM
  5. The Hustleman's Avatar
    The only women I've seen with guns on their sides were law enforcement. How often do you see a plain Jane openly carrying? I NEVER saw it, growing up in NYC and I've never seen it here in Atlanta, and guns are alot more accessible here than up north.
    I've seen a few women openly carrying guns here in Atlanta.

    Law says as long as you have a permit, you can carry

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    04-29-2013 12:59 AM
  6. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Doesn't matter where you are.
    These days, especially these days, seeing anybody in plain clothes with a gun on their hip can be quite disconcerting.

    For instance:
    Last week, I went to see a movie at one of those big 24 screen multiplexes. By the time I got out of the theatre, it was dark outside. Walking to my car on the side of the theater, out of the corner of my eye, I noticed somebody walking towards the back of the theatre with a gun sticking out on his side.

    Guess what my first thought was. Of course I thought this guy was up to no good. I don't carry, but I felt it necessary to get a closer look, so I passed my parked car and nonchalantly walked closer behind him.

    I then was able to see that he had one of those secret-service looking wires coming out of his ear and when he turned behind the theatre, he walked towards a third-party security car. Then I exhaled and walked back to my car, thinking of how heightened everybody's nerves are these days because of all the traumatic news unfolding lately.

    This is probably exactly how that family in the park felt when they saw you with that gun.

    Truly sad, isn't it?
    So you followed the guy with the gun, not knowing specifically what he was up to. But being suspicious of his activities????

    Ohh and you were not carrying a gun of your own....
    04-29-2013 01:06 AM
  7. The Hustleman's Avatar
    I did nothing to interfere with their activities, I was going about my business when he approached me.
    So it's OK to judge someone's intentions by their appearance? I bet this is why The Hustleman gets so many BMWAG calls...
    Basically.

    You did nothing wrong or anything to bring attention to yourself.

    You can't compensate for their ignorance

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    04-29-2013 01:08 AM
  8. Live2ride883's Avatar
    I'll go out on a limb here and surmise that you are a capable looking guy that oozes testosterone. You could probably just wiggle your pinky finger and that would be enough to scare off many men. So a guy like you packing openly and coming into contact with other people's children in a state park is not that different than some big burly and scary looking stranger walking through a playground with a chainsaw strapped to his back.
    FYI: that dark outline on the ground that follows you when you walk around is called a shadow

    That guy walking through the playground may just be taking a short cut....

    As to what I actually look like....
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    04-29-2013 01:44 AM
  9. Fairclough's Avatar
    Countries have had the military and/or allies military as hit squads all the time. Remember east temor, false man killed for london bombings, columbia etc.. This is only just taking the human risk out. Our SAS if often sent over for US aims and there was a big media splash over here as someone tried exploiting it for more personal then national defence reasons. However if a crisis like 9/11 occurred and the law wasn't in place people would question why it wasn't used.

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    04-29-2013 02:27 AM
  10. Fairclough's Avatar
    Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
    Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
    At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
    Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
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    I was using this information for the data on violent crimes, not gun homicides. Of course with a gun ban in place there will be fewer homicides committed by guns.

    My wife and daughter are safer in the US with guns than Aus. without them.
    I would like to bring to attention that your article is also misleading about "rape" and "sexual assault." Yes it is true rape is classified under the category, however, If you slap my arse/touch it in any manner, that is also classified as sexual assault - thus the increase can be minor offenses only! Lets say if they actually got the stats of rape only, not just someone touching a girl or guys arse. If you have a increase from 17 million residents to 23 million (about 30% increase) I think it is safe to assume there would be an increase of 30% across the board!

    You also state that Australia has more non gun related to violence then America, according to nationmaster crime stats USA has 92x more murders by youth, 158x more gun murders, 5x more prisoners per 100k people,

    Absolutely NOT.
    So your saying - you don't want criminals to have guns... but your not willing to give yours up if they have to also?
    This doesn't sound like a debate about crime, but rather then someone wanting his gun for other purposes.
    Oh I would like to mention, most mass murders are from people who aren't previous classified as "criminals" and often the gun is legal.
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    04-29-2013 03:04 AM
  11. llamabreath's Avatar
    So you followed the guy with the gun, not knowing specifically what he was up to. But being suspicious of his activities????

    Ohh and you were not carrying a gun of your own....
    Yes.
    04-29-2013 04:19 AM
  12. llamabreath's Avatar
    We all know, there's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
    04-29-2013 04:51 AM
  13. The Hustleman's Avatar
    So your saying - you don't want criminals to have guns... but your not willing to give yours up if they have to also?
    But here's a challenge for you, how can you get criminals to give up their guns?

    I'd LOVE to hear this!

    Oh I would like to mention, most mass murders are from people who aren't previous classified as "criminals" and often the gun is legal.
    Yes, but mass murders are only a small fraction of total gun deaths. Those are mentally ill people that finally manifested. The rest of the country need Georgia's mental illness checks for gun purchases and permits.

    Here's an interesting tidbit, when they count gun deaths, they also count self defense uses here, which is flawed because if someone tries to take someone else's life, why shouldn't they be shot? That isn't crime it's justice.


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    04-29-2013 08:14 AM
  14. Live2ride883's Avatar
    I would like to bring to attention that your article is also misleading about "rape" and "sexual assault." Yes it is true rape is classified under the category, however, If you slap my arse/touch it in any manner, that is also classified as sexual assault - thus the increase can be minor offenses only! Lets say if they actually got the stats of rape only, not just someone touching a girl or guys arse. If you have a increase from 17 million residents to 23 million (about 30% increase) I think it is safe to assume there would be an increase of 30% across the board!

    You also state that Australia has more non gun related to violence then America, according to nationmaster crime stats USA has 92x more murders by youth, 158x more gun murders, 5x more prisoners per 100k people,


    So your saying - you don't want criminals to have guns... but your not willing to give yours up if they have to also?
    This doesn't sound like a debate about crime, but rather then someone wanting his gun for other purposes.
    Oh I would like to mention, most mass murders are from people who aren't previous classified as "criminals" and often the gun is legal.
    Since the article states that sexual assault is the term that Aus. uses to describe rape then it becomes clear that they are stating that rape (sexual assault) increased 29.9%. If this included arse touching or grabbing the article would had stated this.

    Even IF under some extreme circumstance you could get the criminals to give up their guns, every last one of them I would not turn mine in. Simply because then the government would be the only ones to have them. Our founding fathers understood what it was like to live under tyrannical rule. So while our right to bear arms is and extension of our natural right to self defense, it is also to defend our way of life from a tyrannical government.

    Here is a link to our Constitution for reference.

    Constitution of the United States - Official
    04-29-2013 09:08 AM
  15. Live2ride883's Avatar

    You also state that Australia has more non gun related to violence then America, according to nationmaster crime stats USA has 92x more murders by youth, 158x more gun murders, 5x more prisoners per 100k people,

    Oh I would like to mention, most mass murders are from people who aren't previous classified as "criminals" and often the gun is legal.
    I admit that the US has a crime problem, as do most countries. What Aus. & The UK have done for us is prove that a gun ban does not reduce crimes.

    James Holmes the shooter at the Batman movie premiere in Aurora, CO. Did purchase his gun legally. However it was later revealed that due to his mental health records had the state properly done their job under current laws he would have failed the background check required to purchase that weapon.

    Jared Loughner lied on ATF form 4473 which is the form that all Federally licensed firearm dealers (FFL) are required to fill out and submit for every sale. Lying on this form is a felony crime. This is the form for the background check.

    Coincidentally, Congresswoman Gabby Giffords was a victim of Jared's. Her husband former astronaut Mark Kelly was recently refused authorization to purchase a firearm by a gun shop in Tuscon, AZ I believe also for lying on this form. On the form he stated the purchase was for personal reasons, yet later in a press conference he stated that he had planned to donate the weapon to a local law enforcement agency. So he also committed a felony by providing false information. Additionally this type of purchase is also referred to as a straw purchase. A short and simple definition is that one person fills out the paperwork and buys the weapon for someone else. This is also a felony.

    Adam Lanza broke at least 41 laws the day he committed the massacre at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in New town, CT. Also he did try to purchase an ar-15 type weapon of his own at a gun store in a neighboring town/city. However when the gun shop informed him he would have to wait 5 days to pick up the weapon to remain in compliance with existing state laws he canceled the purchase.
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    04-29-2013 09:43 AM
  16. return_0's Avatar
    I admit that the US has a crime problem, as do most countries. What Aus. & The UK have done for us is prove that a gun ban does not reduce crimes.

    James Holmes the shooter at the Batman movie premiere in Aurora, CO. Did purchase his gun legally. However it was later revealed that due to his mental health records had the state properly done their job under current laws he would have failed the background check required to purchase that weapon.

    Jared Loughner lied on ATF form 4473 which is the form that all Federally licensed firearm dealers (FFL) are required to fill out and submit for every sale. Lying on this form is a felony crime. This is the form for the background check.

    Coincidentally, Congresswoman Gabby Giffords was a victim of Jared's. Her husband former astronaut Mark Kelly was recently refused authorization to purchase a firearm by a gun shop in Tuscon, AZ I believe also for lying on this form. On the form he stated the purchase was for personal reasons, yet later in a press conference he stated that he had planned to donate the weapon to a local law enforcement agency. So he also committed a felony by providing false information. Additionally this type of purchase is also referred to as a straw purchase. A short and simple definition is that one person fills out the paperwork and buys the weapon for someone else. This is also a felony.

    Adam Lanza broke at least 41 laws the day he committed the massacre at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in New town, CT. Also he did try to purchase an ar-15 type weapon of his own at a gun store in a neighboring town/city. However when the gun shop informed him he would have to wait 5 days to pick up the weapon to remain in compliance with existing state laws he canceled the purchase.
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    Then why are so many of you anti-background check?

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    04-29-2013 03:31 PM
  17. Fairclough's Avatar
    But here's a challenge for you, how can you get criminals to give up their guns?

    I'd LOVE to hear this!



    Yes, but mass murders are only a small fraction of total gun deaths. Those are mentally ill people that finally manifested. The rest of the country need Georgia's mental illness checks for gun purchases and permits.

    Here's an interesting tidbit, when they count gun deaths, they also count self defense uses here, which is flawed because if someone tries to take someone else's life, why shouldn't they be shot? That isn't crime it's justice.


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    Gun recalls force EVERYONE without a sufficient need for one to be melted down. Australia has almost half its guns melted so only 5% own a gun.

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    04-29-2013 08:58 PM
  18. The Hustleman's Avatar
    Gun recalls force EVERYONE without a sufficient need for one to be melted down. Australia has almost half its guns melted so only 5% own a gun.

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    No they don't, they only disarm the people who follow the law. If I'm a criminal, i have no regard for the law, how are you going to take my guns if they're hidden?

    Here in America, our criminals don't follow laws and yet and still we have the fourth amendment which means our person or property cannot be searched without a warrant.

    So once again, how are you going to get criminals to turn in their guns? How are you even going to find out they even have guns?

    See the flaw in a gun ban?

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    04-29-2013 09:10 PM
  19. jusmebabe's Avatar
    Because people like Feinstein call them magazine clips and scare non thinking people to believe their nonsense.
    My daughter loves shooting and will be getting her favorite gun, a Ruger gp100 .38 long barrel. She excited and knows gun safety and what to do should someone be stupid enougj to come into our home uninvited.
    For some reason libatards think that criminals obey these laws they keep passing, they don't or there would be no crime.
    I'm going to buy a Ar 15 next week before these silly law makers pass more legislation.
    Pro gun people teach your kids young like mine so they don't grow up scared of the evil firearms. We have to match the socialist aay they raise their kids with a respect for the constitution.
    On a final note, if criminals obey the law why do police need them? Why did Feinstein have a concealed carry permit and armed guards if her silly laws worked? How come she could protect herself with a firearm or armed security but the rest of society couldn't?

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    04-29-2013 09:20 PM
  20. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Gun recalls force EVERYONE without a sufficient need for one to be melted down. Australia has almost half its guns melted so only 5% own a gun.

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    How does almost half of the guns being melted down leave only 5% of them in owners hands. Fair lough IF criminals followed the gun ban in AUS. then how do you have even one homicide by firearm since the ban took place?
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    04-29-2013 09:20 PM
  21. jusmebabe's Avatar
    I would like to bring to attention that your article is also misleading about "rape" and "sexual assault." Yes it is true rape is classified under the category, however, If you slap my arse/touch it in any manner, that is also classified as sexual assault - thus the increase can be minor offenses only! Lets say if they actually got the stats of rape only, not just someone touching a girl or guys arse. If you have a increase from 17 million residents to 23 million (about 30% increase) I think it is safe to assume there would be an increase of 30% across the board!

    You also state that Australia has more non gun related to violence then America, according to nationmaster crime stats USA has 92x more murders by youth, 158x more gun murders, 5x more prisoners per 100k people,


    So your saying - you don't want criminals to have guns... but your not willing to give yours up if they have to also?
    This doesn't sound like a debate about crime, but rather then someone wanting his gun for other purposes.
    Oh I would like to mention, most mass murders are from people who aren't previous classified as "criminals" and often the gun is legal.
    Austrailia stripped the peoples right ro bear arms and home invasions sky rocketed.
    England banmed firearms and it has the higbtest crime rate in the EU. Knife attacks and murders are the hifhest also in England.
    I guess you have an answer to that also.

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    04-29-2013 09:24 PM
  22. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Because people lime Feinstein call them magazine clips and scare non thinking people to believe their nonsense.
    My daughter loves shooting and will ne getting her fav, a Ruger gp100 .38 long barrel. She excited and knows gun safety.
    For se reason libatards think that criminals obey these laws they keep passing, they don't or there would be no crime.
    I'm going to buy a Ar 15 next week before these silly law makers pass more legislation.
    Pro gun people teach your kids young like mine so they don't grow up scared of the evil firearms.
    On a final note, if criminals obey the law why do police need them? Why did Feinstein have a concealed carry permit and armed guards if her silly laws worked? How come she could protect herself with a firearm or armed security but the rest of society couldn't?

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    My daughter loves to shoot as well, the ar-15 is her favorite firearm. I keep one in the safe set up the way she likes it. I am thinking about having it redone in pink for her birthday next month. With ammo getting so scarce we have been stockpiling more than we have been shooting though. But I think we are going to go this weekend for some quality time. My last gun purchase was 3 ar-30a1's, it took almost 6 weeks to get all of them due to the mods I wanted and supply issues.
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    04-29-2013 09:26 PM
  23. jusmebabe's Avatar
    Myth: Law abiding citizens are law breakers.

    Fact: criminals love liberals because they protect them from armed law abiding citizens.

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    04-29-2013 09:28 PM
  24. Fairclough's Avatar
    Gun licences account for the 5% and there generally stored at a firing range or a work requirement e.g farmers to kill injured cattle.

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    04-29-2013 09:49 PM
  25. Fairclough's Avatar
    And they use a national register to monotior who has handed guns in. Thus you can monitor who hasnt eg to get a warrant

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    04-29-2013 09:50 PM
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