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  1. ItnStln's Avatar
    Please tell me why a group of people would try to march into Washington on the 4th of July with loaded AR 15's on their backs when millions of families with children and fireworks are gathered in the same place. Yes, I know all about the 'reasons' why they are doing it, but what makes them think this is a good idea?!

    The citizens that are gathering to celebrate the 4th of July in the Nation's capitol should be able to enjoy the holiday without intimidation. And, it is intimidating to see a large group of armed people marching around the Mall.

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    What a joke! THey have nothing to fear from the legal gun owners. It's the illegal gun owners that are the problem. Please, get your **** straight!
    05-09-2013 08:39 AM
  2. ItnStln's Avatar
    Even more 2 year olds are killed in car accidents. So why aren't people screaming about banning cars?
    Yes, lets! Especially since people ignore the fact that cars kill more people than guns.
    05-09-2013 08:41 AM
  3. return_0's Avatar
    What a joke! THey have nothing to fear from the legal gun owners. It's the illegal gun owners that are the problem. Please, get your **** straight!
    Do your research, buddy. Many gun murders are done by legal gun owners.

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    05-09-2013 08:48 AM
  4. Fairclough's Avatar
    What a joke! THey have nothing to fear from the legal gun owners. It's the illegal gun owners that are the problem. Please, get your **** straight!
    Look at my links previous. Most massacres have been done by legal owners and previous non law breaking citizens. Shocker.

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    05-09-2013 08:55 AM
  5. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Look at my links previous. Most massacres have been done by legal owners and previous non law breaking citizens. Shocker.

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    Just in case you missed post #76 of this thread I have copied and pasted the relevant section of it below, for your convenience.

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    James Holmes the shooter at the Batman movie premiere in Aurora, CO. Did purchase his gun legally. However it was later revealed that due to his mental health records had the state properly done their job under current laws he would have failed the background check required to purchase that weapon.

    Jared Loughner lied on ATF form 4473 which is the form that all Federally licensed firearm dealers (FFL) are required to fill out and submit for every sale. Lying on this form is a felony crime. This is the form for the background check.

    Coincidentally, Congresswoman Gabby Giffords was a victim of Jared's. Her husband former astronaut Mark Kelly was recently refused authorization to purchase a firearm by a gun shop in Tuscon, AZ I believe also for lying on this form. On the form he stated the purchase was for personal reasons, yet later in a press conference he stated that he had planned to donate the weapon to a local law enforcement agency. So he also committed a felony by providing false information. Additionally this type of purchase is also referred to as a straw purchase. A short and simple definition is that one person fills out the paperwork and buys the weapon for someone else. This is also a felony.

    Adam Lanza broke at least 41 laws the day he committed the massacre at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in New town, CT. Also he did try to purchase an ar-15 type weapon of his own at a gun store in a neighboring town/city. However when the gun shop informed him he would have to wait 5 days to pick up the weapon to remain in compliance with existing state laws he canceled the purchase.
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    I know this is complicated but try and stick with me through this, ALL and I mean every criminal is a previous non law breaking citizen....
    05-09-2013 09:28 AM
  6. msndrstood's Avatar
    How about all of the non-legal gun owners in Washington? She makes it sound like we have to fear the LEGAL gun owners...what a joke!
    'She' doesn't like intimidation of any kind. Legal gun owners make mistakes too. Loaded weapons in a crowd is never a good idea. And I do believe Law Enforcement Personnel will be out in force, so let's see how this plays out. Shall we?

    My entire family is Law Enforcement, my father was in combat at Pearl Harbor. My husband has several long guns, hand guns, black powder etc. I am not as gun stupid as you seem to think I am. I just don't live, breath, think and worship guns. A time and place for everything. A crowd at a 4th celebration is neither the time nor the place. Have some consideration for other people's feelings for once, will you please?

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    05-09-2013 03:31 PM
  7. msndrstood's Avatar
    What a joke! THey have nothing to fear from the legal gun owners. It's the illegal gun owners that are the problem. Please, get your **** straight!
    My sh#t is straight. Let's just wait and see if they actually show up, mkay?

    If they do show up IN DC with loaded guns, they will be arrested and charged with a felony. Which then means... they will forfeit their guns and have a felony criminal record. ... Hand over those guns, boys.

    Yeah, let's wait and see.

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    05-09-2013 03:34 PM
  8. Live2ride883's Avatar
    How are you intimidated just by one or more than one person who happens to be carrying a loaded firearm. Especially if they are not making any threatening moves against you or anyone else.
    05-09-2013 03:46 PM
  9. Aquila's Avatar
    My sh#t is straight. Let's just wait and see if they actually show up, mkay?

    If they do show up IN DC with loaded guns, they will be arrested and charged with a felony. Which then means... they will forfeit their guns and have a felony criminal record. ... Hand over those guns, boys.

    Yeah, let's wait and see.

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    I heard that the organizer back peddled and begged for permission and an escort. The original call to arms had this guy talking about shooting federal agents and now he's singing a very different tune.

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    05-09-2013 03:47 PM
  10. Aquila's Avatar
    How are you intimidated just by one or more than one person who happens to be carrying a loaded firearm. Especially if they are not making any threatening moves against you or anyone else.
    'She' doesn't like intimidation of any kind. Legal gun owners make mistakes too. Loaded weapons in a crowd is never a good idea. And I do believe Law Enforcement Personnel will be out in force, so let's see how this plays out. Shall we?
    Some people are scared of spiders and some of sharks. Some people are afraid of the government and some of werewolves. If the fear is irrational we can help people overcome it, but telling someone who is afraid of snakes, "they're more afraid of you than you are of them" is usually not helpful and just adds shame to the fear. If someone says, "I'm not comfortable with ______", it's perfectly okay to feel differently, but it is still valid for them to express that they feel that way.
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    05-09-2013 03:57 PM
  11. msndrstood's Avatar
    How are you intimidated just by one or more than one person who happens to be carrying a loaded firearm. Especially if they are not making any threatening moves against you or anyone else.
    Well, considering there isn't much difference in appearance between a 'good guy with a gun' and a 'bad guy with a gun', it seems prudent to be cautious with my grandchildren in tow. And you can't even see that point?

    There is no hope for the human race.

    Smh.

    Your world revolves around guns, mine does not. That's the difference between us.

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    05-09-2013 03:58 PM
  12. msndrstood's Avatar
    Some people are scared of spiders and some of sharks. Some people are afraid of the government and some of werewolves. If the fear is irrational we can help people overcome it, but telling someone who is afraid of snakes, "they're more afraid of you than you are of them" is usually not helpful and just adds shame to the fear. If someone says, "I'm not comfortable with ______", it's perfectly okay to feel differently, but it is still valid for them to express that they feel that way.
    I am nervous around crowds with people carrying guns, especially when my grandchildren are involved. I've had a loaded 357 Magnum pointed at my face, at work, by a 'friend ', so I have good reason to feel the way I do.

    Thanks for the support, it is much appreciated. I really am pretty tough about a lot of things but this is a hot button issue for me.

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    05-09-2013 04:07 PM
  13. Aquila's Avatar
    I think it's reasonable to assume that there is a much larger probability of this protest going insanely wrong than one in which unarmed people peacefully demonstrate. Not because of the weapons themselves, but for two reasons. 1. Law enforcement will be much more on edge because of the fact that IF things go wrong, they're in much more danger than if people are throwing rocks or condoms full of paint or water bottles. 2. We can assume, that like at nearly every protest, that there are people who WANT things to go bad, for the publicity, or the movement or for some ulterior motivation. In this case, that person is not just risking their own life and the arrest of people, they're risking the lives of tens of thousands of people who are not there to protest, but merely to celebrate a holiday.

    If everything goes peacefully, that's awesome. If one person points their weapon at law enforcement or accidentally discharges a round in the dirt, in the sky, in a 2 year old firework watcher or intentionally fires at law enforcement, etc.... what do you foresee the consequences of that being? You have to remember, not all gun owners are responsible and/or intelligent. They're people, just like everyone else and accidents happen and reckless idiotic things happen. So if "the worst" should happen... this thing goes to a whole other level and fast.
    05-09-2013 04:08 PM
  14. msndrstood's Avatar
    I think it's reasonable to assume that there is a much larger probability of this protest going insanely wrong than one in which unarmed people peacefully demonstrate. Not because of the weapons themselves, but for two reasons. 1. Law enforcement will be much more on edge because of the fact that IF things go wrong, they're in much more danger than if people are throwing rocks or condoms full of paint or water bottles. 2. We can assume, that like at nearly every protest, that there are people who WANT things to go bad, for the publicity, or the movement or for some ulterior motivation. In this case, that person is not just risking their own life and the arrest of people, they're risking the lives of tens of thousands of people who are not there to protest, but merely to celebrate a holiday.

    If everything goes peacefully, that's awesome. If one person points their weapon at law enforcement or accidentally discharges a round in the dirt, in the sky, in a 2 year old firework watcher or intentionally fires at law enforcement, etc.... what do you foresee the consequences of that being? You have to remember, not all gun owners are responsible and/or intelligent. They're people, just like everyone else and accidents happen and reckless idiotic things happen. So if "the worst" should happen... this thing goes to a whole other level and fast.
    You articulated it much better than I did. Thank you.

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    05-09-2013 04:14 PM
  15. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    Some people are scared of spiders and some of sharks. Some people are afraid of the government and some of werewolves. If the fear is irrational we can help people overcome it, but telling someone who is afraid of snakes, "they're more afraid of you than you are of them" is usually not helpful and just adds shame to the fear. If someone says, "I'm not comfortable with ______", it's perfectly okay to feel differently, but it is still valid for them to express that they feel that way.
    I don't have a problem with how anyone feels until they tell me I need to get rid of something I like. There are tons of things i dont care for, but i dont think there should be laws against them. The only way I can describe it is like everyone has the right to be offended, but no one has the right to say they can't be offended.

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    05-09-2013 04:15 PM
  16. Aquila's Avatar
    I don't have a problem with how anyone feels until they tell me I need to get rid of something I like. There are tons of things i dont care for, but i dont think there should be laws against them. The only way I can describe it is like everyone has the right to be offended, but no one has the right to say they can't be offended.

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    I agree with this statement 99% ... leaving 1% for, "unless what you like is illegal". If it's illegal and it shouldn't be, there are ways to change that ~ such as the laws legalizing marijuana, etc. I personally don't like Apple items and I feel bad for people that make the decision to buy them... just kidding, I don't care but you get the point. Bottom line, you like what you like, I like what I like and as long as neither of us hurts each other or infringes upon the other person's liberties, we can agree to just not give a damn.
    05-09-2013 04:29 PM
  17. msndrstood's Avatar
    I agree with this statement 99% ... leaving 1% for, "unless what you like is illegal". If it's illegal and it shouldn't be, there are ways to change that ~ such as the laws legalizing marijuana, etc. I personally don't like Apple items and I feel bad for people that make the decision to buy them... just kidding, I don't care but you get the point. Bottom line, you like what you like, I like what I like and as long as neither of us hurts each other or infringes upon the other person's liberties, we can agree to just not give a damn.
    Yeah, they'll be prying my Gnex... You get the idea.

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    05-09-2013 05:14 PM
  18. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Well, considering there isn't much difference in appearance between a 'good guy with a gun' and a 'bad guy with a gun', it seems prudent to be cautious with my grandchildren in tow. And you can't even see that point?

    There is no hope for the human race.

    Smh.

    Your world revolves around guns, mine does not. That's the difference between us.

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    SMH, there is a HUGE difference between a good guy with a gun, and a bad guy with a gun. A good guy is more than likely ready to defend not only himself, but others around him should the need arise. I can see and understand the difference between the two, that's the difference between us.

    Guns are a part of my life, but I cannot say that my life revolves around them. The only clue you have about my life is what you see here, and granted there are plenty of posts from me not only about guns but other things I am involved with as well.

    I would appreciate it if you would restrain yourself from making assumptions about me and my life in the future. If you wanna know something, ask. I may or may not answer.

    Another difference between us is that I believe there is hope for the human race.
    05-09-2013 05:52 PM
  19. Live2ride883's Avatar
    There is a societal cost-benefit analysis also to consider. We've decided to accept the risk inherit with the use of cars even though they kill tens of thousands each year in the US alone. I think there is general consensus on the issue, but opinions differ on the cost-benefit analysis on what is tolerable and what is not regarding gun policy.
    At this point it becomes an issue that is not really concerned about life/death of children or public safety.

    If it was about health, public safety they would go after what causes the most deaths to children first. I am sure that I am not the only one that knows what kills more children every year than anything else.
    05-09-2013 06:06 PM
  20. msndrstood's Avatar
    SMH, there is a HUGE difference between a good guy with a gun, and a bad guy with a gun. A good guy is more than likely ready to defend not only himself, but others around him should the need arise. I can see and understand the difference between the two, that's the difference between us.

    Guns are a part of my life, but I cannot say that my life revolves around them. The only clue you have about my life is what you see here, and granted there are plenty of posts from me not only about guns but other things I am involved with as well.

    I would appreciate it if you would restrain yourself from making assumptions about me and my life in the future. If you wanna know something, ask. I may or may not answer.

    Another difference between us is that I believe there is hope for the human race.
    What am i supposed to think when you post about the 400+ guns you have in and around your house with safes on every floor, a gun room in the basement, a safe in your truck, a safe on your bike, and how your daughter can break down an AR in so many seconds. What is anyone to think?!

    See the world through others eyes for one. Jeez.


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    05-09-2013 06:13 PM
  21. llamabreath's Avatar
    Aren't you supposed to be misunderstood?



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    05-09-2013 06:18 PM
  22. Live2ride883's Avatar
    What am i supposed to think when you post about the 400+ guns you have in and around your house with safes on every floor, a gun room in the basement, a safe in your truck, a safe on your bike, and how your daughter can break down an AR in so many seconds. What is anyone to think?!

    See the world through others eyes for one. Jeez.

    What?! ...I'm msndrstood.
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    That I store my firearms in a safe and responsible manner. That I have taught my daughter to properly service her weapon.

    I stated I have owned over 400 guns during my life, not currently. I have some things going on this weekend, but I could probably get you an accurate count by the middle of next week.
    05-09-2013 06:22 PM
  23. jdbii's Avatar
    At this point it becomes an issue that is not really concerned about life/death of children or public safety.

    If it was about health, public safety they would go after what causes the most deaths to children first. I am sure that I am not the only one that knows what kills more children every year than anything else.
    Point taken. I struggle on this issue. Liberal Democrat my whole life and anti-gun first 25 years of my life, but after the Navy I majored in History and studied the Holocaust and that is when I changed my mind on and supported the 2nd Amendment, but I just don't know how many more tragedies I can stomach and I question the wisdom of current gun policy in the USA.
    05-09-2013 06:25 PM
  24. jdbii's Avatar
    Sorry Off Topic -- but have you guys/gals ever see Clint Eastwood's Spaghetti Western, "The Good, The Bad, The Ugly?"

    Sometimes, when people are going back and forth in these forums I watch to see who has the Green Icon that shows they are online and I watch to see who moves next. Sort of like in that movie
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    05-09-2013 06:36 PM
  25. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    What am i supposed to think when you post about the 400+ guns you have in and around your house with safes on every floor, a gun room in the basement, a safe in your truck, a safe on your bike, and how your daughter can break down an AR in so many seconds. What is anyone to think?!

    See the world through others eyes for one. Jeez.


    What?! ...I'm msndrstood.
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    Well, I mean honestly, why do you care what someone likes? To want something outlawed because you don't like it is like if you liked hammers and baseball bats but he wanted them outlawed. If that argument sounds crazy, look up to see how many people die by those.

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    05-09-2013 06:42 PM
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