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  1. dchawk81's Avatar
    I don't think the division is necessary. I think if we ask key questions of people outside of the context and verbiage of politics, we'd get very similar answers from both sides. Many recent surveys that I've studied seem to indicate that progressives and libertarians have more in common than libertarians and mainstream republicans and progressives and democrats, which means, to me, that there is hope for common ground and rational debate.

    Ask anyone:

    Should be give people trials before putting them in prison?
    Should be murder innocent people?
    Should we pay our bills?
    Should we let corporations buy and sell our politicians?
    Should congress represent the people or repress the people?
    Are all people created equal and ought they be observed as equal under the law?
    Should we let our government lie to us?
    Is high quality education good for our nation's future?
    Do we care about our nation's future?

    I think we'd be hard pressed to find intelligent people that disagree on those points... which creates a foundation for, "what are our goals and how do we accomplish them". We need a mission to work towards to develop more cohesiveness and synergy.
    Unfortunately, most people are not intelligent. Sadly, they vote and they breed.
    05-14-2013 11:29 PM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    Unfortunately, most people are not intelligent. Sadly, they vote and they breed.
    I think most are about average . Well...

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    05-14-2013 11:31 PM
  3. return_0's Avatar
    I think most are about average . Well...

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    I think the average person is of average intelligence

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    05-14-2013 11:37 PM
  4. Mbode1's Avatar
    The one that gets me are the people that insist on calling guns like the AR-15 an assault rifle instead of assault weapon (which is a bad political term IMHO anyway), when there is a big difference between the two. I can understand not knowing and correcting yourself when the differences are pointed out, but many anti gun people still use the term, if for no other reason than a scare tactic.

    Btw, Swift Key's Flow function seems to not like making the word "gun" and changes it to "fun". Makes this whole argument a lot more interesting when it's turned into a fun vs. anti-fun debate. Lol
    Guns are fun. Why do you think so many people have lots more than 1 or 2.

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    05-14-2013 11:48 PM
  5. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Such a simple question that all of the politicians seeking to register/ban these type of weapons have failed to answer.
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    05-15-2013 12:03 AM
  6. dchawk81's Avatar
    Such a simple question that all of the politicians seeking to register/ban these type of weapons have failed to answer.
    They do. It's called the M16.
    05-15-2013 12:22 AM
  7. Live2ride883's Avatar
    They do. It's called the M16.

    Wrong, the M16 is select fire. Which means the user can select which fire mode the weapon will operate in. The AR-15 is strictly semi-automatic fire.
    05-15-2013 02:09 AM
  8. llamabreath's Avatar
    Unfortunately, most people are not intelligent. Sadly, they vote and they breed.
    lol lol

    05-15-2013 02:14 AM
  9. dchawk81's Avatar
    Wrong, the M16 is select fire. Which means the user can select which fire mode the weapon will operate in. The AR-15 is strictly semi-automatic fire.
    That's seriously one of your talking points?
    05-15-2013 03:24 AM
  10. Live2ride883's Avatar
    That's seriously one of your talking points?
    OK, so you tell me what puts an AR-15 in the same class of weapon as an M-16.
    05-15-2013 05:32 AM
  11. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Guns are fun. Why do you think so many people have lots more than 1 or 2.

    Sent from my recliner. Retired Navy E-8
    LOTS more...
    05-15-2013 05:33 AM
  12. Fairclough's Avatar
    If you check deaths per hundred thousand you will find America to be one of the safest countries on earth. All of the South American countries
    beat us by a factor of 10. Conveniently noone ever talks about that. Also more children drown in swimming pools each year than are killed by firearms.

    Getting the truth about anything is really the challenge these days.
    Even if that fact is true, America has the most MURDERS BY FIREARMS per hundred thousand.

    Its a disgrace shooting like this occurs.
    05-16-2013 12:35 AM
  13. Aquila's Avatar
    Even if that fact is true, America has the most MURDERS BY FIREARMS per hundred thousand.

    Its a disgrace shooting like this occurs.
    So you're suggesting we consider how many people are murdered in swimming pools and not include accidents, while comparing that to murders involving weapons, as opposed to accidents. Seems like oranges to oranges, I like it. What are the numbers?
    05-16-2013 12:38 AM
  14. Fairclough's Avatar
    I believe 2 guys who live in the country. We talk often and they tell me about the rise in crime and how the statistics jumped when your government did a gun grab.
    England is virtually gunless yet have the highest crime rate in the E.U. I guess that says how emboldened criminals are when they are fearful of robbing an armed citizen.

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    Mate, not to be rude and all but I am not sure what statistical your friends are looking at because the crime rates i'm looking at sourced from the Australian Bureau of statistics are government sourced. For the rises, there has been some much percent wise is basically nothing. Lets see. Kidnapping trend is basically on the 0 per 100,000 mark on the graph the whole time, sexual assault is basically constant aswell, slight decrease in robbery, assaults has risen from 600 to about 800 per hundred thousand (an assault includes spitting on someone who works for the gov e.g a bus driver). (source: Australian Institute of Criminology - Violent crime) so there is mininimal evidence that your friends are correct.


    The graph does show that gun's for homicides are being swapped for knives, however I view its easier to defend a knife then a gun.
    05-16-2013 12:54 AM
  15. trix's Avatar
    Even if that fact is true, America has the most MURDERS BY FIREARMS per hundred thousand.

    Its a disgrace shooting like this occurs.
    According to who? Source? I would almost guarantee this is not true.

    You also act like if people didnt have firearms they would just change their mind about killing someone. Yeah guns make it easier, but if someone is determined to kill someone, they will find a way.

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    05-16-2013 07:31 AM
  16. Bob Sugar's Avatar
    Bombs work more good
    05-16-2013 08:10 AM
  17. trix's Avatar
    Bombs work more good
    Bombs are illegal Sugar. Therefore no one can ever have or make them cause theyre illegal.

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    05-16-2013 08:17 AM
  18. Fairclough's Avatar
    From memory it was sourced from world crime stats. And their data collection is from sites like bureau of stats which are the government agencies.

    The provably most common reason bombs aren't use because of the difficulty to transport, hide, sometimes manufacture (if you order the parts you get put on a terrorist watch list even if you order the ingredients for thermite)

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    05-17-2013 05:31 PM
  19. Bob Sugar's Avatar
    From memory it was sourced from world crime stats. And their data collection is from sites like bureau of stats which are the government agencies.

    The provably most common reason bombs aren't use because of the difficulty to transport, hide, sometimes manufacture (if you order the parts you get put on a terrorist watch list even if you order the ingredients for thermite)

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    Because someone who wants to make a bomb to kill a large amount of people, is definitely concerned with getting put on a terrorist watch list.
    05-17-2013 06:03 PM
  20. llamabreath's Avatar
    Because someone who wants to make a bomb to kill a large amount of people, is definitely concerned with getting put on a terrorist watch list.
    Alot of good the terrorist watch list did for Boston.

    Come one, come all, hop on the Lllllllama Bandwagon! FREE POPCORN!!! You'll need it! (bring your own shampoo)
    05-17-2013 06:08 PM
  21. ItnStln's Avatar
    Unfortunately, most people are not intelligent. Sadly, they vote and they breed.
    And rely on my tax money to support themselves...
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    05-18-2013 09:16 PM
  22. jusmebabe's Avatar
    No one is going to realiatically use this as thier carry gu.. It's a fun hobby maybe but thay's it.
    Only people who care are Komifornias gun hating socialists lee And feinstein.

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    05-25-2013 08:49 AM
  23. jusmebabe's Avatar
    You can't tell that nut job anything.
    It was ok for her to get a ccw but not the rest of us. It's ok for the rich to have armed security but those thay can't afford it can rely on law enforcement becuase when seconds count the police are only minutes away.
    Ask a liberal who's husband is getting those contracts for that high speed train to nowhere, you guesed it. Lining her pockets lime a common criminal. :beer:
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    05-25-2013 09:12 AM
  24. jusmebabe's Avatar
    Komifornia doesn't respect shall issue. We have to beg idiots like sheriff miller in Monterey County.
    Interesting enough his son was arrested for drug dealing and using. The sheriffs house was raided but his ohone call to warn his son was too late and he was arrested. Public records see for yourself.
    His own words " If I feel hinky about you I will deny ".

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    05-25-2013 09:18 AM
  25. jusmebabe's Avatar
    Obamastine. 3 morw years and we will be free last.

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    05-25-2013 09:25 AM
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