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    Intercepted phone call helped convince U.S. that Syrian regime was responsible for deadly chemical attack | National Post
    Why would a government leak all their intel? Why have a group of people who are specialised in it for their job only for a group of other people to potentially over rule their work to save a couple of seats in the next election?
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    08-31-2013 09:19 PM
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    Intercepted phone call helped convince U.S. that Syrian regime was responsible for deadly chemical attack | National Post
    Why would a government leak all their intel? Why have a group of people who are specialised in it for their job only for a group of other people to potentially over rule their work to save a couple of seats in the next election?
    If you read the article, it states there are a bunch of unknowns. Still no one knows what really happened. Where is the phone call recording? If I hear it from the UN, maybe.

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    08-31-2013 09:32 PM
  3. JHBThree's Avatar
    If you read the article, it states there are a bunch of unknowns. Still no one knows what really happened. Where is the phone call recording? If I hear it from the UN, maybe.

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    You will never hear it. The people that actually matter will.

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    08-31-2013 11:03 PM
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    You will never hear it. The people that actually matter will.

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    There's nothing to hear. They have nothing.

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    08-31-2013 11:54 PM
  5. JHBThree's Avatar
    There's nothing to hear. They have nothing.

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    You can be sure of this how? No one can make a statement like that without providing evidence. So enlighten us all, won't you?


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    09-01-2013 02:51 AM
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    I would think it is their best interest that their job isn't transparent because than people try and correct them on the job they have spent years on(collecting evidence. Finding solutions etc) as the general public will get in the way with no experience telling intelligence agencies how to do their job.

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    09-01-2013 04:15 AM
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    I would think it is their best interest that their job isn't transparent because than people try and correct them on the job they have spent years on(collecting evidence. Finding solutions etc) as the general public will get in the way with no experience telling intelligence agencies how to do their job.

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    Well, maybe when running for office, we shouldn't say we will be the most transparent administration. Just saying...
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    09-01-2013 04:41 AM
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    By transparent I don't think they mean their whole intelligence unit.

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    09-01-2013 05:08 AM
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    By transparent I don't think they mean their whole intelligence unit.

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    They haven't been transparent with anything.

    Pelosi said (when they were pushing Obamacare a few years ago) to pass the bill first, then we could see what's in it.

    Would you pass a bill without knowing what's in it? Especially if told to?

    09-01-2013 05:46 AM
  10. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    All I am saying is you can let people see / hear the evidence without giving up sources or methods. Oh but that's right they already told us it was an intercepted phone call. So we already know how they got the information we just don't know what the information really was. That is what I call SHADY. With all of the scandals this administration is a part of, there's no way anyone should just take their word for it. Transparency and this administration shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.

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    09-01-2013 06:08 AM
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    Well, maybe when running for office, we shouldn't say we will be the most transparent administration. Just saying...
    Good point. And also all he did when running for office and even since he's been in office is bash bush about the wars we've been involved in. Now he wants to add one more to it. At least when Bush did it he had support of Congress and the international community.

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    09-01-2013 06:13 AM
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    Bush also had an opportunity on soil attack to back him, in all respect he also had less lives originally lost.

    Secondly I think the details what was in it should be what is kept secret the most. They did elude to what was in it. However it would be in the best interest to say the details of every information they got.

    What is the point of an intelligence agency if they tell everyone the intelligence?

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    09-01-2013 07:17 AM
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    Bush also had an opportunity on soil attack to back him, in all respect he also had less lives originally lost.

    Secondly I think the details what was in it should be what is kept secret the most. They did elude to what was in it. However it would be in the best interest to say the details of every information they got.

    What is the point of an intelligence agency if they tell everyone the intelligence?

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    The DEVIL is in the details as they say. I understand wanting to keep tactics a secret but he already revealed how they got the info. Just hasn't revealed what the info is. You protect how you got the info, not what the info states. Its funny, everyone wants to keep the details quiet unless it benefits them. If he had this overwhelming proof, he would have shared it with the UN and got support.

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    09-01-2013 08:14 AM
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    All I am saying is you can let people see / hear the evidence without giving up sources or methods. Oh but that's right they already told us it was an intercepted phone call. So we already know how they got the information we just don't know what the information really was. That is what I call SHADY. With all of the scandals this administration is a part of, there's no way anyone should just take their word for it. Transparency and this administration shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.

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    So basically, since you don't like this administration, you don't believe its possible that they have evidence?

    Heck, I don't like them much either. But when it comes to intelligence gathering in these situations I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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    09-01-2013 04:26 PM
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    The DEVIL is in the details as they say. I understand wanting to keep tactics a secret but he already revealed how they got the info. Just hasn't revealed what the info is. You protect how you got the info, not what the info states. Its funny, everyone wants to keep the details quiet unless it benefits them. If he had this overwhelming proof, he would have shared it with the UN and got support.

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    They won't share the information until the UN does.

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    09-01-2013 04:27 PM
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    So basically, since you don't like this administration, you don't believe its possible that they have evidence?

    Heck, I don't like them much either. But when it comes to intelligence gathering in these situations I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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    Everyone gives this administration benefit of the doubt for far too long. They get a pass on everything. No one has answered for NSA scandal. No one has answered for IRS scandal. No one has answered for Benghazzi. But I should give them benefit of the doubt?

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    09-01-2013 04:35 PM
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    Everyone gives this administration benefit of the doubt for far too long. They get a pass on everything. No one has answered for NSA scandal. No one has answered for IRS scandal. No one has answered for Benghazzi. But I should give them benefit of the doubt?

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    With regards to this? Absolutely.

    Also, I think your dislike of them is clouding your memory. No one has given them a pass for anything you listed.

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    09-01-2013 08:33 PM
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    With regards to this? Absolutely.

    Also, I think your dislike of them is clouding your memory. No one has given them a pass for anything you listed.

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    Really?

    09-01-2013 08:45 PM
  19. JHBThree's Avatar
    Really?

    Really. Or did you happen to sleep through the weeks of coverage on all of those scandals?

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    09-01-2013 08:52 PM
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    Really. Or did you happen to sleep through the weeks of coverage on all of those scandals?

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    Yes really. They covered it a little but that isn't the same as being held accountable. These clowns don't know who did what in their own government programs but we are expected to trust their intel? They haven't answered for anything. Its funny to me that this administration has all these scandals and wire tapped the world and they still occupy office. Nixon wire tapped one building and was impeached. These people do what they want. And they aren't held accountable but they want to hold the Syrian regime accountable. Its ridiculous.

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    09-01-2013 09:08 PM
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    Yes really. They covered it a little but that isn't the same as being held accountable. These clowns don't know who did what in their own government programs but we are expected to trust their intel? They haven't answered for anything. Its funny to me that this administration has all these scandals and wire tapped the world and they still occupy office. Nixon wire tapped one building and was impeached. These people do what they want. And they aren't held accountable but they want to hold the Syrian regime accountable. Its ridiculous.

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    Riiight. Somehow, being on the national news and the front pages of every newspaper every day for a month is a 'little coverage'. Multiple investigations by congress that are ongoing isn't being held accountable. Neither is the high profile firings of those that were responsible for everything. Sure. No accountability or coverage at all.

    Or...back here in the real world, you just don't like Obama.

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    09-01-2013 10:22 PM
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    Considering I am on the opposite of the world and I receive all the Obama news I think he gets his fair share of coverage. However were fortunate not to be blinded by domes political bias.

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    09-01-2013 10:46 PM
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    Considering I am on the opposite of the world and I receive all the Obama news I think he gets his fair share of coverage. However were fortunate not to be blinded by domes political bias.

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    Ah so you're not even in the US? So then you can't possibly know the frequency and intensity of domestic press coverage of the various scandals that have erupted since his reelection. While you may think you do, based on your comments, you really, really don't.

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    09-01-2013 11:27 PM
  24. Fairclough's Avatar
    I am using it as an example to your comment "somehow, being on the national news and the front pages of every newspaper every day for a month is a 'little coverage" as if he makes the headlines all time time here - you would expect it would be far worse in him home country. I do subscribe to ABC America and ABC Australia, but Yes I wouldn't recieve as much coverage on Obama as you guys do - but heck he fills up all my news so I could imagine his 'small' coverage is more like a flooding.

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    09-02-2013 01:31 AM
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    Latest news.
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    09-02-2013 01:44 AM
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