12-24-2013 03:44 PM
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  1. antman451's Avatar
    This is geared more towards the Republican party:

    Look, if you want to win, settle down with all the focus on morality and gay marriage and blah blah blah. Instead focus on telling people "we want you to be free to make money with limited government hassle." push the James Bond business man agenda--manly, sophisticated, being able to make cash and go about life as you please...

    That's the only way to get where they want, I think. But I also don't think they'll be able to comprehensively do this. If the Democrats are anything, they're organized behind their agenda.

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    11-12-2013 06:29 PM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    That's one appeal of candidates like Gary Johnson. Dude has his flaws, but has a very good mix of social policy, "I don't care what you do if it's not hurting people" and fiscal responsibility, "spend as little as possible to get everything we need handled well". That guy speaks to my optimization quite a bit. He wanted to cut federal expenditures by over 40% (we disagreed somewhat on WHAT to cut, but the amounts are pretty close and he's in favor of trimming waste out of both entitlements and defense), stop subsidizing and bailing out giant businesses (allow the market to work), eventually phase out the Federal Reserve Banks and debt based currency, rebalance the dollar by reducing currency in circulation (buyback) to stave off hyperinflation. On civil rights and social issues he's going to match up with libertarians and progressives as far as widening the separation between church and state, legalizing "harmless" drugs and a federal hands off approach to things like marriage, etc.

    Blah blah, ranting. Lots I disagree with this guy on, but a lot of it seems like playing to the outsides of conservative libertarianism and liberalism and finding the places where they meet together to form a solid mix of personal liberty and conservation of resources. Candidates like this, with the support of the puppet masters, could be HUGE in today's climate.
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    11-12-2013 06:48 PM
  3. phonejunky's Avatar
    The Republicans used to be able to do that. That's how George Bush got elected to 2 terms in office. They can certainly do that again, especially if Obama's poll numbers slide down. The future Democratic candidate will be forced to defend Obama's policies, and that can be a tough sell if America is worse off in 2016 than when Obama started office.
    The second election George Bush lost the popular vote.
    11-13-2013 12:25 PM
  4. Scott7217's Avatar
    The second election George Bush lost the popular vote.
    However, didn't Bush appeal to key groups in states with just enough electoral votes to win?
    11-14-2013 05:59 PM
  5. alexlam24's Avatar
    However, didn't Bush appeal to key groups in states with just enough electoral votes to win?
    The electoral voting system is messed up

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    11-14-2013 10:30 PM
  6. Scott7217's Avatar
    The electoral voting system is messed up
    There's still time to change the system before the next election... if the American people want to change it.
    11-15-2013 02:08 AM
  7. alexlam24's Avatar
    There's still time to change the system before the next election... if the American people want to change it.
    Half the people in America don't even know what the electoral vote is lol

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    11-15-2013 06:42 AM
  8. llamabreath's Avatar
    Half the people in America don't even know what the electoral vote is lol

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    I'd say A LOT more than half.



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    11-15-2013 08:25 AM
  9. alexlam24's Avatar
    I'd say A LOT more than half.



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    Was too lazy to access number pad

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    11-15-2013 08:40 AM
  10. Scott7217's Avatar
    Half the people in America don't even know what the electoral vote is lol
    Google can help fix that. If someone doesn't understand how a presidential election works, they can type "electoral college" as a search term.
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    11-18-2013 07:57 PM
  11. Aquila's Avatar
    Google can help fix that. If someone doesn't understand how a presidential election works, they can type "electoral college" as a search term.
    They might not know there is an electoral college to search for it, have the will to try to find out information and/or understand what it means. All of the work to undermine education has been wildly successful. More people believe in literal angels than in mitochondrial Eve (most don't know what it means, but there is no way that a whole lot of people will believe their ancient ancestors heralded from Africa). The percentage of people who believe in the lone gunman theory in the JFK assassination is going UP with more information, not down.... these are signs of what's called breeding entire generations of ignorant, celebrity and video game obsessed consumption zombies that are easier to manipulate and control than literal sheep.
    11-18-2013 08:18 PM
  12. Scott7217's Avatar
    They might not know there is an electoral college to search for it, have the will to try to find out information and/or understand what it means.
    Every 4 years I always see someone on TV talking about which states have the most electoral votes and the key states for each candidate to win if they want to be president. If that is not enough information, I'm sure there are groups dedicated to helping citizens vote. There are probably volunteers who can help voters understand the system better.

    If the system is broken, it's better to fix it now while there is still time before the next election.
    11-19-2013 05:33 PM
  13. llamabreath's Avatar
    Every 4 years I always see someone on TV talking about which states have the most electoral votes and the key states for each candidate to win if they want to be president. If that is not enough information, I'm sure there are groups dedicated to helping citizens vote. There are probably volunteers who can help voters understand the system better.

    If the system is broken, it's better to fix it now while there is still time before the next election.
    I don't think you realize that people in this society are A LOT more interested in American Idol, Dancing With the Stars, 26" rims etc than actual things of importance.

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    11-19-2013 06:10 PM
  14. Scott7217's Avatar
    I don't think you realize that people in this society are A LOT more interested in American Idol, Dancing With the Stars, 26" rims etc than actual things of importance.
    Oh, I definitely understand that people focus on other things. That's why the electoral college hasn't changed. Either people don't care or they don't mind the way it works now. Let's say Hillary Clinton runs for president and wins in 2016 and 2020. That would be 16 years of a Democrat in the White House if you include Obama's 2 terms. Will people change the electoral college then? Probably not.
    11-19-2013 06:34 PM
  15. alexlam24's Avatar
    Electoral college won't change because government logic

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    11-20-2013 07:02 AM
  16. Scott7217's Avatar
    Electoral college won't change because government logic
    Okay, let's put aside the electoral college for a moment. Do you feel that the American people want a change in how elections are conducted?
    11-20-2013 09:47 PM
  17. alexlam24's Avatar
    Okay, let's put aside the electoral college for a moment. Do you feel that the American people want a change in how elections are conducted?
    Most of them don't even know how to vote lol

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    11-21-2013 06:59 AM
  18. Scott7217's Avatar
    Most of them don't even know how to vote lol
    Well, there's your problem right there. We have to teach people how to vote.
    11-21-2013 11:02 PM
  19. Tall Mike 2145's Avatar
    Basically, folks, you're talking about Argument from Inertia, apathy, and disillusionment all rolled up neatly in one little ball. Believe me, that is much more the problem than simple ignorance could ever be.

    Regarding the prior conversation vis a vis the minimum wage and Ron Paul, he's not in favor of reducing the minimum wage, or wages per se. He wants to ELIMINATE minimum wage law. The theory he's working from is that MW basically inflates wages artificially and therefore drives up the cost of doing business, which in turn results in price inflation. That's fine and well and quite a logical argument, but...

    The problem I have with it is that there are people who will prostitute themselves to the maximum extent they have to in order to get by. This will then artificially drive wage rates down. There are those groups of people who don't mind living 5 and 8 and 10 to a house, or an equivalent number to an apartment, slum housing, etc. If you can share living expenses with enough people, you can afford at some point to only make $2/hr. The problem is that most people can't afford to do that, and honestly wouldn't want to do that anyhow, and (in my view) shouldn't have to be reduced to living in conditions like that. I wouldn't, and right now I'm in some very hard financial times.

    As I've said elsewhere, I don't really believe this country has much of a future left to it because of the sort of society we have become. So, in the long term, my plans include leaving for somewhere else that at least has good fiscal and economic policies and a citizenry which is educated and cares more than we do.
    11-22-2013 01:18 AM
  20. alexlam24's Avatar
    Well, there's your problem right there. We have to teach people how to vote.
    As my government teacher said, most people don't even know the candidates lol.

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    11-22-2013 06:29 AM
  21. llamabreath's Avatar
    As my government teacher said, most people don't even know the candidates lol.

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    We also had a candidate that didn't even know how many states we have.
    11-22-2013 08:23 AM
  22. palandri's Avatar
    ....As I've said elsewhere, I don't really believe this country has much of a future left to it because of the sort of society we have become. So, in the long term, my plans include leaving for somewhere else that at least has good fiscal and economic policies and a citizenry which is educated and cares more than we do.

    ....and where would that be?
    11-22-2013 10:24 AM
  23. Scott7217's Avatar
    As my government teacher said, most people don't even know the candidates lol.
    I'm actually fine with that. It's the candidates' responsibility to inform the voters on what they stand for. Good candidates will be able to communicate well with the people.
    11-22-2013 02:04 PM
  24. NoYankees44's Avatar
    Well, there's your problem right there. We have to teach people how to vote.
    The liberals do it in school every day to our children...
    11-22-2013 05:24 PM
  25. palandri's Avatar
    The liberals do it in school every day to our children...
    LOL! We give them a copy of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and tell them socialism is the future.
    11-22-2013 07:31 PM
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