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  1. Aquila's Avatar
    Using racism falsely as a tool to manipulate people is called racism. You'd still be exploiting the same issues and the same people. Using people solely for their demographics is wrong.

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    11-11-2013 09:05 PM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    Also... Every opportunity to combat actual discrimination, fear mongering and other hateful manipulation abuses ... is a good one.

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    11-11-2013 09:08 PM
  3. Timelessblur's Avatar
    I have been voting democrat for the past few years. Not because I do not agree with some of the GOP issues but more because of social issues. GOP has made it pretty clear they do not care about the poorest people in society. THey do not give a rats *** about womens rights or health. They only care about the top 1%.
    They want to blow up everyone else in the world. They seem to think the only way to solve our current budget issues is cut spending when really it needs both decrease spending and increase revenue.

    They have been unwilling to offer any real compromise on anything. THey have been very much give me everything I want or nothing. The holding out entire economy hostage over obama care sorry that does not sit well with me.
    The fact for now for over 4 years they still have not offered anything alterntive to ACA. They scream repeal but ask for an alternative they are dead quite. One thing we can agree on is the previous system was broken and a solution. Offer me a solution because like it or not ACA is night and day better than what we had and ACA is not that good.
    So until the GOP can fix the social issues they have a problem.
    They only reason they have the House is because well the GOP cheats and gerrymandered the hell out of the districts.

    You know that might solve the problem. Get gerrymandering declared unconstitutional as it is suppressing our votes.
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    11-11-2013 09:35 PM
  4. Mooncatt's Avatar
    The fact for now for over 4 years they still have not offered anything alterntive to ACA. They scream repeal but ask for an alternative they are dead quite.
    Google "Republican alternatives to ACA." They've had a few bills this year, John McCain had a tax credit based plan a while back I think, and plenty of non-politician criticizers of the ACA would like to have seen other things like promoting catastrophic only plans and HSA's to increase patient responsibility. It's like car insurance. You don't use it to change the oil, and you shop around for the best value when you do pay out of pocket for basic maintenance. Same with basic doctor visits with catastrophic health insurance, and you can pay for that doctor out of a savings account that builds interest tax free.

    So yes, like them or not, there have been many alternatives to the ACA suggested.
    11-11-2013 10:14 PM
  5. Timelessblur's Avatar
    Google "Republican alternatives to ACA." They've had a few bills this year, John McCain had a tax credit based plan a while back I think, and plenty of non-politician criticizers of the ACA would like to have seen other things like promoting catastrophic only plans and HSA's to increase patient responsibility. It's like car insurance. You don't use it to change the oil, and you shop around for the best value when you do pay out of pocket for basic maintenance. Same with basic doctor visits with catastrophic health insurance, and you can pay for that doctor out of a savings account that builds interest tax free.

    So yes, like them or not, there have been many alternatives to the ACA suggested.
    Then why in the 40 plus votes for repeal have they not put one of those on there. It just I have not seen the gop put forth a plan. Just talk but no plan put forward.

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    11-11-2013 10:40 PM
  6. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Then why in the 40 plus votes for repeal have they not put one of those on there. It just I have not seen the gop put forth a plan. Just talk but no plan put forward.

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    The very first item I listed were the bills. Can't put forth a plan any better than that. But let's get back on track with this thread's original topic since there's already an active topic about the ACA/Obamacare to discuss that.
    11-11-2013 11:03 PM
  7. msndrstood's Avatar
    Google "Republican alternatives to ACA." They've had a few bills this year, John McCain had a tax credit based plan a while back I think, and plenty of non-politician criticizers of the ACA would like to have seen other things like promoting catastrophic only plans and HSA's to increase patient responsibility. It's like car insurance. You don't use it to change the oil, and you shop around for the best value when you do pay out of pocket for basic maintenance. Same with basic doctor visits with catastrophic health insurance, and you can pay for that doctor out of a savings account that builds interest tax free.

    So yes, like them or not, there have been many alternatives to the ACA suggested.
    Do you have a link?

    All i remember is a 3 page statement being waved around at the SOTU address and then, poof! we never heard of it again. You would think since Republicans are so on message (Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!) they would have gotten the message out about their health care plan to save the country from the Socialist Obamacare.
    ::: sarcasm :::

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    11-12-2013 08:26 AM
  8. JW4VZW's Avatar
    Using racism falsely as a tool to manipulate people is called racism. You'd still be exploiting the same issues and the same people. Using people solely for their demographics is wrong.

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    And voting for obama because he is black is not racist how?

    posted on my mobile device please excuse any errors
    11-14-2013 03:04 PM
  9. Aquila's Avatar
    And voting for obama because he is black is not racist how?

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    Obviously it is, at least one the surface. Of course, it could be deeper and voters can be looking for candidates with similar life experiences to themselves who can represent them from that context, rather than making assumptions about their wants, etc. I don't know how each person voted and I suspect some people voted the way they did for valid reasons, and some did not. On both sides, racism is wrong and on both sides people are making good decisions and poor ones. This really needs to stop being a partisan hate fest. Regardless of what color a person is, or what party they are in, using race as a political weapon is called racism, just as much as racist comments are. It is, however, not racist to point out imbalances in demographics. There are ways to discuss race (and other demographics) without exploiting or discriminating against the persons being discussed. See the difference?
    11-14-2013 03:22 PM
  10. JW4VZW's Avatar
    Obviously it is, at least one the surface. Of course, it could be deeper and voters can be looking for candidates with similar life experiences to themselves who can represent them from that context, rather than making assumptions about their wants, etc. I don't know how each person voted and I suspect some people voted the way they did for valid reasons, and some did not. On both sides, racism is wrong and on both sides people are making good decisions and poor ones. This really needs to stop being a partisan hate fest. Regardless of what color a person is, or what party they are in, using race as a political weapon is called racism, just as much as racist comments are. It is, however, not racist to point out imbalances in demographics. There are ways to discuss race (and other demographics) without exploiting or discriminating against the persons being discussed. See the difference?
    I agree with you, racism is wrong. It doesn't matter who it is coming from. I will say that a person should be judged as a person, and race should not be a factor.
    11-14-2013 03:30 PM
  11. Scott7217's Avatar
    I agree with you, racism is wrong. It doesn't matter who it is coming from. I will say that a person should be judged as a person, and race should not be a factor.
    Obama is particularly interesting because he's biracial. If some people vote for him because they say he's black and others vote for him because they say he's white, aren't they both correct? In the end, it comes down to a candidate's qualifications, which you alluded to.
    11-14-2013 06:16 PM
  12. pre1561's Avatar
    I would never vote for any body with the American Communist, Socialist, Facist, party. They are not Liberials or Progressives or whatever name they want to call themselves. They are the dark side of humanity.

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    11-14-2013 08:02 PM
  13. Aquila's Avatar
    I would never vote for any body with the American Communist, Socialist, Facist, party. They are not Liberials or Progressives or whatever name they want to call themselves. They are the dark side of humanity.

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    What's the ACSF? Google came back blank on that one. Are there any sitting members in that party?
    11-14-2013 08:22 PM
  14. JW4VZW's Avatar
    I would never vote for any body with the American Communist, Socialist, Facist, party. They are not Liberials or Progressives or whatever name they want to call themselves. They are the dark side of humanity.

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    That is pretty accurate.
    11-17-2013 12:56 PM
  15. JW4VZW's Avatar
    Obama is particularly interesting because he's biracial. If some people vote for him because they say he's black and others vote for him because they say he's white, aren't they both correct? In the end, it comes down to a candidate's qualifications, which you alluded to.
    It is racist either way. What I said was I will vote for a candidate on their qualifications. I do not care their party, sex, race, religion, or sexual orientation. I look at a person as a person and their qualifications.
    11-17-2013 12:57 PM
  16. pre1561's Avatar
    What's the ACSF? Google came back blank on that one. Are there any sitting members in that party?
    Anybody that calls themselves a Democrat. It has become nothing more than a cover name for what they really are.



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    11-17-2013 01:21 PM
  17. msndrstood's Avatar
    Anybody that calls themselves a Democrat. It has become nothing more than a cover name for what they really are.



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    :rolleyes:

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    11-17-2013 01:33 PM
  18. JW4VZW's Avatar
    Anybody that calls themselves a Democrat. It has become nothing more than a cover name for what they really are.



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    I will buy that. However I see that some people are in denial.
    11-17-2013 02:36 PM
  19. msndrstood's Avatar
    Ditto.

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    11-17-2013 04:54 PM
  20. palandri's Avatar
    Anybody that calls themselves a Democrat. It has become nothing more than a cover name for what they really are.

    ...and what would that be?
    11-17-2013 05:05 PM
  21. Tall Mike 2145's Avatar
    What the Tea Party (so-called) started out as, it no longer is and hasn't been in a long, long time. The Republican Party is getting more and more radicalized all the time, and now bears no resemblance to what it was in the 80s, the 70s, the 60s, or probably at any time previous to that. I really can't speak for the Democrat Party because I have never been a Democrat, but they seem to be pretty equally willing to do stupid stuff.

    Everyone blames the incumbent. Everyone blamed Carter, then Reagan, then Bush, then Clinton, then W, and now Obama. Same noise, different names.

    I vote my conscience, which is Libertarian. Oh, and incidentally, the Libertarian ideals are what the Republican Party's alleged ideals were a long time ago, before the genesis of that incestuous relationship between the GOP and William F. Buckley, Jr.'s group in the 50s and 60s.

    I voted for Ron Paul in the last two Presidential cycles, both in the primaries and, as a write-in, in the generals. If he doesn't run this time, I plan to vote for Gary Johnson and, in general for anyone who is a legit Libertarian. It's not a matter of "voting the party line" although I guess in a manner of speaking that's what I'm doing; rather, it's that I'm voting for a particular political worldview that matches my own.
    11-18-2013 01:32 AM
  22. Scott7217's Avatar
    I vote my conscience, which is Libertarian. Oh, and incidentally, the Libertarian ideals are what the Republican Party's alleged ideals were a long time ago, before the genesis of that incestuous relationship between the GOP and William F. Buckley, Jr.'s group in the 50s and 60s.
    That was a great post, and I'm glad that you are voting with your conscience. Do you think we'll ever have a Libertarian majority in this country?
    11-19-2013 04:57 PM
  23. llamabreath's Avatar
    That was a great post, and I'm glad that you are voting with your conscience. Do you think we'll ever have a Libertarian majority in this country?
    As long as the Democrats are offering 'free stuff', hell no.
    11-19-2013 07:10 PM
  24. msndrstood's Avatar
    As long as the Democrats are offering 'free stuff', hell no.
    I'll bet your talking about this program:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp

    The one that Ronald Reagan started?

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    11-19-2013 09:57 PM
  25. llamabreath's Avatar
    I'll bet your talking about this program:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp

    The one that Ronald Reagan started?

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    Not just phones. Anything but the kitchen sink. Anything to get elected.
    11-20-2013 03:58 AM
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