01-13-2014 07:05 PM
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  1. Mooncatt's Avatar
    You're argument holds no water either then. In fact it is a whole lot of marlarky. No gay person wants to be any more special than any other person. We just want to be equal and as "in your face" as any heterosexual is on a DAILY basis.

    BTW you could have all the straight pride parades you want. Your problem won't be with the gays, but with your fellow straights who will see no point in marking an occasion that they already mark everyday and aren't discriminated for it.

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    If that's the case, why have the pride parades? Straight people don't go around saying, "woo hoo, I'm straight!" The gay groups do. I know on an individual basis, most LGBT just want to live as the rest of us do. That's why I specifically mentioned the larger activist groups that are hurting the cause. They want their parades, but it's pretty much a sure bet that they would raise all sorts of heck if there were a straight pride parade.

    Fair enough Mooncatt. I get what you are saying.

    I was thinking thinking that floats usually are made up of guys and gals with themes like "Grease, The Lion King, Snow White," or other popular stories that generally are hetero. Schools with marching bands or the football team that won state are celebration of children (or that is what I was thinking) and until very recently children fell into the realm of straight families. I was also thinking that the parades highest honorees, or the Grand Marshall, are usually presented with their spouse in a Cadillac.
    I see what you mean too, I think. It's not so much the purpose of the parade, but who's in it? If that's the case, then I'm with you. I would say gay groups should be equally allowed to participate, so long as it fits with the theme of the parade itself. I wouldn't want an activist type float involved in a standard parade any more than the local low rider club bouncing their cars in a polka parade (as actually happened in my home town, resulting in a new rule requiring all entries to fit the polka theme XD ).
    01-07-2014 12:12 AM
  2. SteveISU's Avatar
    Ridiculous. Heterosexuals make announcements about their life, who they are dating, and make wedding announcements all the time. They even get married in parades too. But for some strange reason, when a gay person does any of those same things, people get the vapors over it. And then backpedal a bit and complain about straight people doing things that they never took issue with originally. But now they do. Hmmmmmmmm

    You ever see a straight person walking down a street with 1000's of others in a "parade" with a 2ft rubber dong letting people in the crowd and other participants take a turn playing with it? Cause that's what I've seen in Chicago. I think the point some are trying to make is their is a time and a place for everything, lets not blur the lines between what we do in the privacy of our own homes and what is acceptable public behavior. If straight people held a parade and did what I've seen at "Pride Parades" they'd be shut down for lewd acts. Problem is if you shut down a gay pride parade for that very same behavior, the Mayor of that city will be pegged as a homophobe and the LGBT community would be outraged.
    01-07-2014 09:25 AM
  3. llamabreath's Avatar
    You ever see a straight person walking down a street with 1000's of others in a "parade" with a 2ft ***** letting people in the crowd and other participants take a turn playing with it? Cause that's what I've seen in Chicago. I think the point some are trying to make is their is a time and a place for everything, lets not blur the lines between what we do in the privacy of our own homes and what is acceptable public behavior.





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    01-07-2014 09:28 AM
  4. palandri's Avatar
    You ever see a straight person walking down a street with 1000's of others in a "parade" with a 2ft rubber dong letting people in the crowd and other participants take a turn playing with it? Cause that's what I've seen in Chicago. I think the point some are trying to make is their is a time and a place for everything, lets not blur the lines between what we do in the privacy of our own homes and what is acceptable public behavior. If straight people held a parade and did what I've seen at "Pride Parades" they'd be shut down for lewd acts. Problem is if you shut down a gay pride parade for that very same behavior, the Mayor of that city will be pegged as a homophobe and the LGBT community would be outraged.
    I live in Chicago too and I've never seen what you are talking about. Then again, i don't hang out in Boy's Town or go to Gay Pride parades. Is there some reason why you're hanging out in Boy's Town and going to Gay Pride parades, if you feel it's disgusting?
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    01-07-2014 09:55 AM
  5. SteveISU's Avatar
    I live in Chicago too and I've never seen what you are talking about. Then again, i don't hang out in Boy's Town or go to Gay Pride parades. Is there some reason why you're hanging out in Boy's Town and going to Gay Pride parades, if you feel it's disgusting?
    I have 3 friends who are gay and they asked me to go with them. I wanted to be supportive so I went. Did anything disgust me? No. But that doesn't change the fact that I have an opinion about what I saw.
    01-07-2014 10:05 AM
  6. GadgetGator's Avatar
    If that's the case, why have the pride parades? Straight people don't go around saying, "woo hoo, I'm straight!" The gay groups do. I know on an individual basis, most LGBT just want to live as the rest of us do. That's why I specifically mentioned the larger activist groups that are hurting the cause. They want their parades, but it's pretty much a sure bet that they would raise all sorts of heck if there were a straight pride parade.
    Do you even KNOW why pride parades came into being? It sure doesn't sound like it.

    Straight people go around saying woo hoo they are straight every day. They do it by letting everyone know who they are dating, who they are marrying, who they are having babies with. Do they all assemble on a street somewhere one day a year? No. But individually everyday is a straight parade.
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    01-07-2014 11:06 AM
  7. llamabreath's Avatar
    Do you even KNOWStraight people go around saying woo hoo they are straight every day. They do it by letting everyone know who they are dating, who they are marrying, who they are having babies with. Do they all assemble on a street somewhere one day a year? No. But individually everyday is a straight parade.
    Impossible to have an individual parade. Oxymoron.

    And straight people are not "parading" that they're straight.

    This is so stupid.


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    01-07-2014 11:38 AM
  8. GadgetGator's Avatar
    You ever see a straight person walking down a street with 1000's of others in a "parade" with a 2ft rubber dong letting people in the crowd and other participants take a turn playing with it? Cause that's what I've seen in Chicago. I think the point some are trying to make is their is a time and a place for everything, lets not blur the lines between what we do in the privacy of our own homes and what is acceptable public behavior. If straight people held a parade and did what I've seen at "Pride Parades" they'd be shut down for lewd acts. Problem is if you shut down a gay pride parade for that very same behavior, the Mayor of that city will be pegged as a homophobe and the LGBT community would be outraged.
    Here's what I see in the straight community that I don't see in the gay one.....stripper bars on numerous corners, "Girls gone wild" videos, 976 numbers marketed to horny straight guys on late night television, Hooters (and similar) restaurants, oh..and this little thing called Testy Fest. Go look it up. It should open your eyes a bit. You'll find some VERY NSFW photos. I even found one of a guy hosing women down with a wooden dong. Hmmmm...not that far different from what you saw in a gay event. Surprise surprise surprise.

    So apparently straight people can get away with lewd acts in various locations too. You just aren't paying attention. It is interesting however, that you are paying attention to what you consider a lewd act, but ignoring things like the mom's and dads with their gay kids, or the gay families pushing their strollers, or the church groups. Not everyone in a parade is wearing a speedo holding a rubber dong. In fact, quite the opposite. But you zero in on certain things while ignoring others which comprise the majority of the parades. I find that interesting as well as an unbalanced view of the actual event. It's curious that you would even put the word parade in quotes. Clearly it's a parade. Full of police and fire trucks, music groups, floats, local businesses and all those other things I mentioned. So why the quotes?
    01-07-2014 11:38 AM
  9. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Impossible to have an individual parade. Oxymoron.
    The heterosexual life is paraded about and on display each and every day. That was the point that you clearly missed.
    01-07-2014 11:39 AM
  10. llamabreath's Avatar
    The heterosexual life is paraded about and on display each and every day. That was the point that you clearly missed.
    How is it "paraded"?




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    01-07-2014 11:42 AM
  11. palandri's Avatar
    I have 3 friends who are gay and they asked me to go with them. I wanted to be supportive so I went. Did anything disgust me? No. But that doesn't change the fact that I have an opinion about what I saw.
    Well, OK. You know as well as I do that there is great cultural diversity in Chicago. You know where the Ukrainian area is, the Puerto Rican area is, the Italian area is, the Korean area is, the Boy's Town area is...etc...and these are all tightly knit communities and you have to respect the diversity. Even to this day the Sons of Italy is a very important cultural group to me.
    01-07-2014 12:01 PM
  12. palandri's Avatar
    How is it "paraded"?




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    Read what he just said here: http://forums.androidcentral.com/pol...ml#post3379587 If you don't understand it, I don't know how else anyone could explain it, and it's just something you never see the way we can see it, so it becomes a mute point, I guess.
    01-07-2014 12:06 PM
  13. GadgetGator's Avatar
    How is it "paraded"?
    I've already explained this numerous times throughout this forum. From wedding announcements, to holding hands while walking down the street there are many examples of heterosexual life on display and in everyone's face on a daily basis. Parade means more then people walking down a street in a group (see definition below) but if you want a literal example of people daily marching down a street, Disney has parades that focus on heterosexuality with floats comprised entirely of princes dancing with their princesses and marching down the street with each other. They also peddle heterosexuality throughout all of their movies. Interestingly, many of these endeavors are drawn, painted. scripted, scored, and acted out by gay people. It's rather ironic.

    Definition of parade/paraded:

    parade (p-rd)
    n.
    1.
    a. An organized public procession on a festive or ceremonial occasion.
    b. The participants in such a procession.
    2.
    a. A regular place of assembly for reviews of troops. Also called parade ground.
    b. A ceremonial review of troops.
    c. The troops taking part in such a review.
    3. A line or extended group of moving persons or things: a parade of strollers on the mall.
    4. An extended, usually showy succession: a parade of fads and styles.
    5. An ostentatious show; an exhibition: make a parade of one's talents. See Synonyms at display.
    6. A public square or promenade.
    v. paraded, parading, parades
    v.intr.
    1. To take part in a parade; march in a public procession: The circus performers and animals paraded down Main Street.
    2. To assemble for a ceremonial military review or other exercise.
    3. To stroll in public, especially so as to be seen; promenade.
    4. To behave so as to attract attention; show off.
    v.tr.
    1. To cause to take part in a parade: paraded the floats past city hall.
    2. To assemble (troops) for a ceremonial review.
    3. To march or walk through or around: parade the campus.
    4. To exhibit ostentatiously; flaunt: paraded their wealth. See Synonyms at show.
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    01-07-2014 12:07 PM
  14. SteveISU's Avatar
    Here's what I see in the straight community that I don't see in the gay one.....stripper bars on numerous corners, "Girls gone wild" videos, 976 numbers marketed to horny straight guys on late night television, Hooters (and similar) restaurants, oh..and this little thing called Testy Fest. Go look it up. It should open your eyes a bit. You'll find some VERY NSFW photos. I even found one of a guy hosing women down with a wooden dong. Hmmmm...not that far different from what you saw in a gay event. Surprise surprise surprise.

    So apparently straight people can get away with lewd acts in various locations too. You just aren't paying attention. It is interesting however, that you are paying attention to what you consider a lewd act, but ignoring things like the mom's and dads with their gay kids, or the gay families pushing their strollers, or the church groups. Not everyone in a parade is wearing a speedo holding a rubber dong. In fact, quite the opposite. But you zero in on certain things while ignoring others which comprise the majority of the parades. I find that interesting as well as an unbalanced view of the actual event. It's curious that you would even put the word parade in quotes. Clearly it's a parade. Full of police and fire trucks, music groups, floats, local businesses and all those other things I mentioned. So why the quotes?

    Strip bars and restaurants are private businesses, you want to open up a bake shop and sell nothing but dong shaped cakes, I'll support you. "Girls gone wild" videos are no different then any straight or gay porn for that matter. From what I know about Testy Festy it's held on private camping lodge, not smack dab in the middle of Billings center square. If their antics spill out onto public property, then I'd say the same thing to them.

    I think we can both agree that the lewd displays stand out a little more. I mean that would be human nature to have ones eyes drawn to what stands out. Lets not insinuate a bias that isn't there.
    01-07-2014 12:25 PM
  15. llamabreath's Avatar
    I've already explained this numerous times throughout this forum. From wedding announcements, to holding hands while walking down the street there are many examples of heterosexual life on display and in everyone's face on a daily basis. Parade means more then people walking down a street in a group (see definition below) but if you want a literal example of people daily marching down a street, Disney has parades that focus on heterosexuality with floats comprised entirely of princes dancing with their princesses and... .
    You've got to be kidding me.




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    01-07-2014 12:29 PM
  16. NoYankees44's Avatar
    I've already explained this numerous times throughout this forum. From wedding announcements, to holding hands while walking down the street there are many examples of heterosexual life on display and in everyone's face on a daily basis. Parade means more then people walking down a street in a group (see definition below) but if you want a literal example of people daily marching down a street, Disney has parades that focus on heterosexuality with floats comprised entirely of princes dancing with their princesses and marching down the street with each other. They also peddle heterosexuality throughout all of their movies. Interestingly, many of these endeavors are drawn, painted. scripted, scored, and acted out by gay people. It's rather ironic.
    So basically you are implying that any shown human interaction that is not explicitly homosexuality themed is automatically heterosexually themed even if it has nothing to do with sexual orientation...
    01-07-2014 12:54 PM
  17. llamabreath's Avatar
    So basically you are implying that any shown human interaction that is not explicitly homosexuality themed is automatically heterosexually themed even if it has nothing to do with sexual orientation...
    Not just themed, but PARADED.

    smh




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    01-07-2014 01:02 PM
  18. jdbii's Avatar
    You ever see a straight person walking down a street with 1000's of others in a "parade" with a 2ft rubber dong letting people in the crowd and other participants take a turn playing with it?
    Sure, except the phallus in the parade are a lot bigger than 2 ft. Just do a google image search of "Japanese Fertility Festival."
    Kanamara Matsuri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Hōnen Matsuri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    01-07-2014 02:25 PM
  19. SteveISU's Avatar
    Sure, except the phallus in the parade are a lot bigger than 2 ft. Just do a google image search of "Japanese Fertility Festival."
    Kanamara Matsuri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Hōnen Matsuri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I don't give a crap about what Japan does. (Have you seen the stuff that comes out of Japan, it makes US Hardcore porn look like what you'd see on Cinemax). I'll get it out of the way now, some chicks in African tribes walk around topless. There refutes may claim about the electrical tape on the nipples.
    01-07-2014 03:06 PM
  20. GadgetGator's Avatar
    You've got to be kidding me.
    No. But in what way specifically do you think I am? You really don't see the world around you as it really is do you?

    So basically you are implying that any shown human interaction that is not explicitly homosexuality themed is automatically heterosexually themed even if it has nothing to do with sexual orientation...
    Not sure what you mean by human interaction. When you see heterosexual romance, dating and marriages depicted, it IS dealing with sexual orientation. Why is that point lost on some of you? Are people so desensitized to it that you don't even SEE it when it is all around you?

    Also, if you want to start talking about automatically heterosexually themed, let's talk about how most heterosexuals assume people to also be heterosexual (unless they are REALLY flamboyant). There is already an ongoing perceived bias. People assume other people are like themselves....until told differently. It's just human nature. So straight people assume you are married or dating someone of the opposite gender if you mention you are married or dating, meanwhile gay people try and figure out if someone is gay or not and looking for some signs. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many times people have asked about my "wife" or "girlfriend" in my lifetime, it would easily be in the hundreds.

    As for the notion that strip bars and restaurants are private businesses, they welcome the public into their establishments. There are stories about them in public newspapers and TV stations. They exist out in the real world...in public. It's not like they are disguised or people do not know what they are. The stripper bars often even have posters or signs on the outside that make it QUITE clear what type of establishment it is. There not as shielded from public knowledge as people want to pretend they are. And neither are the 976 numbers I mentioned on late night TV.
    01-07-2014 03:22 PM
  21. jdbii's Avatar
    I don't give a crap about what Japan does. (Have you seen the stuff that comes out of Japan, it makes US Hardcore porn look like what you'd see on Cinemax). I'll get it out of the way now, some chicks in African tribes walk around topless. There refutes may claim about the electrical tape on the nipples.
    Well you asked. I simply answered. There were of lot of kids in the crowd eating ice creams -- even 8 year olds. Nobody was crying or traumatized or claiming it was vulgar

    The naked bike parade I referenced earlier is not a big deal and generates no public outcry whatsoever at least in Portland. It is actually celebrated worldwide in various cities. If you just put the imprimatur naked "gay" bike parade without changing one thing -- same participants, same everything -- all of a sudden it becomes vulgar and in your face and offensive to many people. That is bigotry. We have a big Rose Festival Parade ourselves every year. If there was a float of newlyweds everyone would cheer wildly. If you just put one gay newlywed couple on the float, all of sudden there is a massive outcry and howls of "in your face." (Okay, in Portland, the cheers would be louder because my city is AWESOME). There is nothing in your face about it, and there is not one single difference between any of the couples on that float.
    01-07-2014 03:30 PM
  22. Mooncatt's Avatar
    As for the notion that strip bars and restaurants are private businesses, they welcome the public into their establishments. There are stories about them in public newspapers and TV stations. They exist out in the real world...in public. It's not like they are disguised or people do not know what they are. The stripper bars often even have posters or signs on the outside that make it QUITE clear what type of establishment it is. There not as shielded from public knowledge as people want to pretend they are. And neither are the 976 numbers I mentioned on late night TV.
    But what happens in those clubs is A) not in public view, you have to purposely walk in to see anything, and B) I've yet to see any strip clubs catering just to straight people. They serve all orientations equally. Heck, my fiance has had more time in a regular strip club than me. They just sell "it", and don't care who buys.
    01-07-2014 05:56 PM
  23. GadgetGator's Avatar
    But what happens in those clubs is A) not in public view, you have to purposely walk in to see anything, and B) I've yet to see any strip clubs catering just to straight people. They serve all orientations equally. Heck, my fiance has had more time in a regular strip club than me. They just sell "it", and don't care who buys.
    Again, some of these clubs have posters outside, where anyone can see them. I have seen some of them myself personally. I don't know where the catering to just straight people thing is coming from. We all know who the target audience of a strip club is. (Hint: It's not lesbians and it certainly is not gay men). And you haven't even addressed the issue of restaurants like Hooters or Twin Peaks (of which even little kids can walk in) nor 976 numbers right on TV for all to see.

    In other words, all the things you brought up do not live in a vacuum. They share the same real space as the rest of us all do. Yet the gay adult things are protested and fussed over more then the straight adult things. Even a wedding in a parade which is about as G rated as it gets. Why is that?
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    01-07-2014 07:21 PM
  24. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Again, some of these clubs have posters outside, where anyone can see them. I have seen some of them myself personally. I don't know where the catering to just straight people thing is coming from. We all know who the target audience of a strip club is. (Hint: It's not lesbians and it certainly is not gay men). And you haven't even addressed the issue of restaurants like Hooters or Twin Peaks (of which even little kids can walk in) nor 976 numbers right on TV for all to see.
    Same principle. You have to willfully go into said establishment or call the number to participate. It's not like they are doing that stuff in the middle of the street. The posters and commercials are just advertising and keep within the bounds of the laws regarding public decency (or should).

    Yet the gay adult things are protested and fussed over more then the straight adult things. Even a wedding in a parade which is about as G rated as it gets. Why is that?
    I personally would only fuss over them if they were too vulgar for the general public. As for the wedding thing, I've already clarified my views, admitting I didn't know that history. I think the idea is tacky, regardless of who's in it but I've been consistent in that I think all couples should be treated the same with respect to the policy regarding marriages in the parade.
    01-07-2014 07:58 PM
  25. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Same principle. You have to willfully go into said establishment or call the number to participate. It's not like they are doing that stuff in the middle of the street. The posters and commercials are just advertising and keep within the bounds of the laws regarding public decency (or should).
    If you want to use that logic, you have to willfully sit there and watch a parade go by too. For hours. No one forces you to bring out a lawn chair and sit there and watch. As for the street angle, have you ever chimed in on an internet post saying how wrong and awful the Mardi Gras is? Because women show their boobs all the time right in the streets. Or do things provoke forum responses only when a gay person whips out a rubber dong? I know you will say now that both are wrong....but that's a retroactive statement. Everyone chimes in on something after a gay person does something, but strangely the silence is rather deafening before that event occurs.

    The posters I have seen would make your hair stand up on end. I guess you have not seen those type before. As for the 976 ads, clearly you have not seen the ones I have there either. Sure the clothes were (barely) on. But the moaning and carrying on...well it was plain to see that they weren't looking for pen pals. LOL And those are on the public airwaves....broadcast right into your home. And unlike a parade that you can steer around, and is publicized well in advance, there is no advanced warning of the ad that you are about to see. Talk about "in your face". One would think people so sensitive over a rubber dong would be more concerned about what is right there in their own home rather then what is outside their house in an event they didn't even have to attend.

    Interesting priorities people have. There always seems to be an attempt to hold gay people to a higher standard while not being that upset over all the many things straight people do that might effect them or their family far more then any rubber dong or same sex marriage (for the even more sensitive) ever could. Like I said earlier, it is a very unbalanced view of both homosexual people and gay events as well as a distorted view of what heterosexuals do. I don't mind the criticism of our community. You may even say something I agree with at some point. But I just want to see more balance. I want to see people upset at something BEFORE a gay person does it too. Weather it be a wedding considered tacky or a display that goes too far.
    01-08-2014 01:32 AM
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