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  1. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    You assume too much. I'm "hung up" on birth control because its a pertinent issue that's in headlines...doesn't take a genius to figure out why a young woman would be concerned about it

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    How can someones genitalia be 0%of my business and 100% of my financial responsibility?

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    02-13-2014 08:14 PM
  2. msndrstood's Avatar
    How can someones genitalia be 0%of my business and 100% of my financial responsibility?

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    And how is that?

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    02-14-2014 11:19 AM
  3. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    And how is that?

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    I just don't understand why I have to pay for someone's birth control

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    02-14-2014 11:32 AM
  4. msndrstood's Avatar
    How is that? Just pretend your tax dollars are going to the Defense Department, problem solved.

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    02-14-2014 11:34 AM
  5. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    How is that? Just pretend your tax dollars are going to the Defense Department, problem solved.

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    There's a difference. Everyone who lives here paying taxes to keep up the defense and infrastructure is not the same. How about personal responsibility. If you are grown enough to lay down with someone, you should be responsible for your own birth control or the consequences. Personal responsibility is a concept that's almost dead. I know, "personal responsibility" is a phrase that scares some people. How dare anyone be held accountable for themselves...

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    02-14-2014 01:15 PM
  6. msndrstood's Avatar
    So you're ok with not paying for male enhancement drugs either, correct? And what about the male who lays down and doesn't take responsibility, why is it always the woman's responsibility? A man has to take responsibility to put the condom on in the first place. It's a twofer.

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    02-14-2014 01:22 PM
  7. Mooncatt's Avatar
    But wait, I thought we were being lead to believe men have no business when it comes to birth control?
    02-14-2014 01:33 PM
  8. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    So you're ok with not paying for male enhancement drugs either, correct? And what about the male who lays down and doesn't take responsibility, why is it always the woman's responsibility? A man has to take responsibility to put the condom on in the first place. It's a twofer.

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    I said responsibility. I made no gender reference. Each individual should be responsible for their own...period. You name it. Personally responsible. I don't expect anyone to have to pay for me to have a vasectomy or buy my condoms or anything else.

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    02-14-2014 01:42 PM
  9. msndrstood's Avatar
    But wait, I thought we were being lead to believe men have no business when it comes to birth control?
    They don't, when we have this.



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    02-14-2014 01:46 PM
  10. anon8126715's Avatar
    I just don't understand why I have to pay for someone's birth control

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    It's called living in a society, look it up......

    I don't have any school aged children even though I pay property taxes which help fund schools. I don't think we had any business going to most of the wars initiated by right wing presidents of the last 20 years, but my tax money goes to those quagmires as well. If you're complaining about paying what probably amounts to a few more dollars a month on your premium, then you are the true definition of a misogynist.
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    02-14-2014 07:51 PM
  11. toober's Avatar
    I guess since you'll all be paying for my lung cancer from the decades spent smoking and the double bypass I'll need from all the double cheeseburgers, I'm good with paying for your viagra and birth control now. Hell, I may grab another 6-pack and add a liver to the list. Why not? It's not like I'll have to pay for anything when I get sick.
    02-14-2014 08:15 PM
  12. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    It's called living in a society, look it up......

    I don't have any school aged children even though I pay property taxes which help fund schools. I don't think we had any business going to most of the wars initiated by right wing presidents of the last 20 years, but my tax money goes to those quagmires as well. If you're complaining about paying what probably amounts to a few more dollars a month on your premium, then you are the true definition of a misogynist.
    Its called personal responsibility. Look it up. Why does everyone look toward the government for everything?

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    02-15-2014 12:21 AM
  13. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    So you're ok with not paying for male enhancement drugs either, correct? And what about the male who lays down and doesn't take responsibility, why is it always the woman's responsibility? A man has to take responsibility to put the condom on in the first place. It's a twofer.

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    Both are responsible. I was always willing to pay for it. I even had a girlfriend that went behind my back and had an abortion. I swear on my life I told her I would raise it and she wouldn't have to give me a penny, she could see the kid or not I didn't care. I didn't care if we were together or not but I looked at it as killing someone to get out of responsibility. I just can't do it. At the time I was making around $12 an hour living at home with my parents.

    I'm not asking for praise, but just to be clear that men are not always the problem.

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    02-15-2014 12:27 AM
  14. palandri's Avatar
    Its called personal responsibility. Look it up. Why does everyone look toward the government for everything?

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    Everyone doesn't look at the government for everything. Your thought process simply has an emphasis on "me", rather than "we". You believe in rugged individualism, each man on their own two feet, always looking out for number #1, sink or swim buddy, don't expect a helping hand from "me".
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    02-15-2014 12:45 AM
  15. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    Everyone doesn't look at the government for everything. Your thought process simply has an emphasis on "me", rather than "we". You believe in rugged individualism, each man on their own two feet, always looking out for number #1, sink or swim buddy, don't expect a helping hand from "me".
    When you look at we, the we part turns into you. As in you pay for it for me.

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    02-15-2014 12:50 AM
  16. palandri's Avatar
    When you look at we, the we part turns into you. As in you pay for it for me.

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    Take the monetary part out of it. There's much more to "we" than the monetary part.
    02-15-2014 01:06 AM
  17. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    Take the monetary part out of it. There's much more to "we" than the monetary part.
    Should you be forced to help me pay for something say a car or a gun?

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    02-15-2014 03:01 AM
  18. msndrstood's Avatar
    Both are responsible. I was always willing to pay for it. I even had a girlfriend that went behind my back and had an abortion. I swear on my life I told her I would raise it and she wouldn't have to give me a penny, she could see the kid or not I didn't care. I didn't care if we were together or not but I looked at it as killing someone to get out of responsibility. I just can't do it. At the time I was making around $12 an hour living at home with my parents.

    I'm not asking for praise, but just to be clear that men are not always the problem.

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    But you did not use a condom. That would have been personal responsibility. I am assuming your girlfriend at the time was young and did not use birth control either, if she had easy access to safe birth control you would not be having this conversation.

    I commend you for wanting the child and wanting to raise it, but in the end, you choose not to prevent the pregnancy. I can understand now where some of your personal feelings come into play on these topics.

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    02-15-2014 07:30 AM
  19. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    But you did not use a condom. That would have been personal responsibility. I am assuming your girlfriend at the time was young and did not use birth control either, if she had easy access to safe birth control you would not be having this conversation.

    I commend you for wanting the child and wanting to raise it, but in the end, you choose not to prevent the pregnancy. I can understand now where some of your personal feelings come into play on these topics.

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    She did have easy access, she had quit taking birth control. I could have bought condoms but I chose not to. Her and I should have been held accountable for our actions. We were about 25ish. The only victim, was the kid in this IMHO.

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    02-15-2014 07:47 AM
  20. _Zguy__'s Avatar
    Why is it such a big deal to give women birth control. As a hormonal regulator it is a medicine that is very important to many women's health. I'd much rather pay for poor women to be on birth control and be childfree and trying to find work or education than paying for her to support a kid with hardly any hope of improving her situation. That kid will probably get caught in the same cycle. In the mean time all these people will vote Democrat so why Republicans hate birth control is a mystery to me
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    02-15-2014 09:09 AM
  21. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    Why is it such a big deal to give women birth control. As a hormonal regulator it is a medicine that is very important to many women's health. I'd much rather pay for poor women to be on birth control and be childfree and trying to find work or education than paying for her to support a kid with hardly any hope of improving her situation. That kid will probably get caught in the same cycle. In the mean time all these people will vote Democrat so why Republicans hate birth control is a mystery to me
    Birth control isn't the issue. It's making other people pay for other people's birth control that is the issue. Again, personal responsibility. Its ridiculous to expect someone to have to pay for something for someone else.

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    02-15-2014 10:09 AM
  22. _Zguy__'s Avatar
    If they dont get a very cheap birth control, they might have a child thats much more expensive for you and me. With less limits on birth control there is no reason it should have much cost at all.

    Saying why do i have to support other people would imply you dont believe any welfare is needed. I dont understand why you would support food and housing for one recipient but not prevention of the creation of another recipient
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    02-15-2014 10:39 AM
  23. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    If they dont get a very cheap birth control, they might have a child thats much more expensive for you and me. With less limits on birth control there is no reason it should have much cost at all.

    Saying why do i have to support other people would imply you dont believe any welfare is needed. I dont understand why you would support food and housing for one recipient but not prevention of the creation of another recipient
    Still not getting the whole personal responsibility part. The bottom line is, pay for yourself, or deal with the consequences. I'm not totally against welfare but the system is abused. There are no guidelines enforced to make people have a sense of urgency about getting off of welfare. And I know there are situations where some people can't work and actually need assistance. But there are many people on assistance that have the attitude of why work when I can get it for free.

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    02-15-2014 11:43 AM
  24. _Zguy__'s Avatar
    Still not getting the whole personal responsibility part. The bottom line is, pay for yourself, or deal with the consequences. I'm not totally against welfare but the system is abused. There are no guidelines enforced to make people have a sense of urgency about getting off of welfare. And I know there are situations where some people can't work and actually need assistance. But there are many people on assistance that have the attitude of why work when I can get it for free.

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    I understand where you are coming from but birth control is the silliest place to draw the line, it would prevent a lot of abuse of the system, its cheap and is really easy to do. With the current system in place which I agree is flawed and am in no way a fan of it is the simplest fix for a lot of problems. I'd see mandatory birth control on welfare as a better argument than not supporting any control
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    02-15-2014 12:02 PM
  25. anon8126715's Avatar
    Why is it such a big deal to give women birth control. As a hormonal regulator it is a medicine that is very important to many women's health. I'd much rather pay for poor women to be on birth control and be childfree and trying to find work or education than paying for her to support a kid with hardly any hope of improving her situation. That kid will probably get caught in the same cycle. In the mean time all these people will vote Democrat so why Republicans hate birth control is a mystery to me
    It's just a wedge issue being put out there by the right wing in an attempt to excite their base. Mouth breathers like Rush Limbaugh can scream out "Oh look OhBummer Care is allowing people to pillage in the streets like sex starved savages". Next thing you know everyone with short attention spans on the low side of the bell curve start echoing the same sentiment. There are some genuine issues with Obamacare (mostly the lack of single payer IMO) but the right wing isn't even trying to approach it with rational discussion, just rhetoric. "Obamacare has death panels, thus Obamcare is evil!", it's not helpful, it's a partisan diversion.

    The real issues won't be addressed with one side putting government incompetence in the spotlight, while the other side points at all the red herrings in an attempt to dismantle the entire program. One can only hope that as time marches on, the program will be tweaked enough to eventually benefit the American people.
    02-15-2014 12:37 PM
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