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  1. SteveISU's Avatar
    And the President has executive privileges. Can you list things that you think the President CAN change under executive privilege? Or do you think that doesn't even exist and that every President has been violating the Constitution since this country's founding?



    Why don't people understand that in fact, racism still exist? BEFORE he even took office, the man got more death threats then ANY President-elect before him. He also has had his appointees stalled and blocked in a way that no other President has had. No one questioned Reagan's birthplace, or wanted to see Nixon's birth certificate. Or the two Bush's, or Carter's, or Clinton's, or Ford's...only this one. Hmmmmm, now why do you think that is???



    This is the biggest bunch of nonsense in the ACA debate. Every group insurance policy I have ever had did NOT carve out exceptions for different groups other then things like smoking vs. non-smoking when figuring out rates. They didn't decide, hey, you are a gay man so you will never have any pregnancy needs. It was here our are rates, pick your coverage. By the same token they are not giving discounts to women because they will never need viagra. It's GROUP coverage. Sick, well, men, women, children...all thrown into the pool (hence the "pool" term). Why is that concept lost on some people?
    Hate to tell you but maternity coverage was always a rider in the individual market. If you wanted it you could chose it, there was usually waiting periods in order to get full coverage. Small businesses of less than 15 employees normally only have one plan that gets selected from the individual market to offer their employees. Maternity, much like dental, vision, or hearing benefits are separate policies added on to the health coverage. If you want those you pay 100% out if your own pocket if you so choose. Clearly you know nothing about the individual market or the health insurance pool for small business. But will go with what you say since you've never heard of such a thing, it must be made up right?

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    01-31-2014 08:15 PM
  2. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Hate to tell you but maternity coverage was always a rider in the individual market. If you wanted it you could chose it, there was usually waiting periods in order to get full coverage. Small businesses of less than 15 employees normally only have one plan that gets selected from the individual market to offer their employees. Maternity, much like dental, vision, or hearing benefits are separate policies added on to the health coverage. If you want those you pay 100% out if your own pocket if you so chose. Clearly you know nothing about the individual market or the health insurance pool for small business. But will go with what you say since you've never heard of such a thing, it must be made up right?

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    That's the POINT...it's NOT an individual market....it's now a GROUP one. That is the whole point of the ACA. And right..I know nothing about health plans. Being in HR for many years, I only administered and procured the plans, but what do I know?
    01-31-2014 08:22 PM
  3. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Hmmmmm.... probably because those were easy answers (and not hidden).
    You're right...none of the previous Presidents could hide the fact that they were white. All the years, all those Presidents and yet no one considered to even ASK for anyone else's birth documents. Or call them fake, or send a team of "investigators" to Hawaii like Donald Trump said he did and "you won't believe what they found". Hmmmm, still waiting to learn what he and his crack team of "investigators" found. He was right on the believing part though.... I don't believe that he ever sent anyone! lol
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    01-31-2014 08:30 PM
  4. SteveISU's Avatar
    That's the POINT...it's NOT an individual market....it's now a GROUP one. That is the whole point of the ACA. And right..I know nothing about health plans. Being in HR for many years, I only administered and procured the plans, but what do I know?

    And that's the bone of contention why many are pissed about their premiums doubling. They were happy with their plans, but are forced to take a group style plan with group coverages without the group type discount (unless you qualify for subsides). Go look at the ACA plans and how affordable they are (those with deductibles under 5k).

    You clearly haven't procured a thing for small business. Which is why many have been dropped from what was offered there and told to go get something on the exchange. Small business couldn't afford the new ACA plans and told people they're on their own.

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    01-31-2014 08:32 PM
  5. palandri's Avatar
    And that's the bone of contention why many are pissed about their premiums doubling. They were happy with their plans, but are forced to take a group style plan with group coverages without the group type discount (unless you qualify for subsides). Go look at the ACA plans and how affordable they are (those with deductibles under 5k).

    You clearly haven't procured a thing for small business. Which is why many have been dropped from what was offered there and told to go get something on the exchange. Small business couldn't afford the new ACA plans and told people they're on their own.

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    There's many defund Obamacare groups you can still join. No use talking about it here when you can take action against it:

    DEFUND Obamacare NOW | TheTeaParty.net

    Defund & Repeal
    01-31-2014 08:54 PM
  6. SteveISU's Avatar
    There's many defund Obamacare groups you can still join. No use talking about it here when you can take action against it:

    DEFUND Obamacare NOW | TheTeaParty.net

    Defund & Repeal
    Cute, did I once say defund? Let's keep the discussion intellectually honest, if that's possible.

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    01-31-2014 08:57 PM
  7. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    And the President has executive privileges. Can you list things that you think the President CAN change under executive privilege? Or do you think that doesn't even exist and that every President has been violating the Constitution since this country's founding?



    Why don't people understand that in fact, racism still exist? BEFORE he even took office, the man got more death threats then ANY President-elect before him. He also has had his appointees stalled and blocked in a way that no other President has had. No one questioned Reagan's birthplace, or wanted to see Nixon's birth certificate. Or the two Bush's, or Carter's, or Clinton's, or Ford's...only this one. Hmmmmm, now why do you think that is???



    This is the biggest bunch of nonsense in the ACA debate. Every group insurance policy I have ever had did NOT carve out exceptions for different groups other then things like smoking vs. non-smoking when figuring out rates. They didn't decide, hey, you are a gay man so you will never have any pregnancy needs. It was here our are rates, pick your coverage. By the same token they are not giving discounts to women because they will never need viagra. It's GROUP coverage. Sick, well, men, women, children...all thrown into the pool (hence the "pool" term). Why is that concept lost on some people?
    Uh yes..... Executive members have no authority to change legislation...period

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    01-31-2014 09:35 PM
  8. palandri's Avatar
    Cute, did I once say defund? Let's keep the discussion intellectually honest, if that's possible.

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    So you don't want to get rid of the ACA?
    01-31-2014 09:36 PM
  9. nolittdroid's Avatar
    I really wish Obama would stop indulging the tea partiers on their war against women. HR7 is more legislation that will chip away at ACA, at the expense of working women and their families. Every good aspect of the ACA is going to be undermined eventually. Nothing says job growth and prosperity like repeatedly attacking the same law over and over again.

    ✌SG3/iPad2
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    01-31-2014 09:46 PM
  10. SteveISU's Avatar
    So you don't want to get rid of the ACA?
    Believe it or not there are parts of it I think are a good idea. 95% of the "nuts" who want to defund it are pushing for it because the left doesn't want to listen to any ideas from the other side and they don't want to fix it, fixing it means something was wrong and no one on the left wants to admit that. Hence why the bill was passed unilaterally with zero input and zero votes from the right.

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    01-31-2014 09:49 PM
  11. nolittdroid's Avatar
    Believe it or not there are parts of it I think are a good idea. 95% of the "nuts" who want to defund it are pushing for it because the left doesn't want to listen to any ideas from the other side and they don't want to fix it, fixing it means something was wrong and no one on the left wants to admit that. Hence why the bill was passed unilaterally with zero input and zero votes from the right.

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    IMO 95% of the people opposing it forget all about "Romneycare" amd oppose it because a democratic president implemented the law(but they'll deny both). I don't see how forcing more legislation to strip away the clauses does ANYTHING to make things better. I don't see how a law that forbids insurance companies for denying you preexisting coverage, aids those on social security or protects college aged kids is bad in the long run. So far the challenges have been mostly toward birth control coverage...these republicans say they're pro-life, and its a violation of their corporation's (aka board members') religious rights to provide coverage to their employees.. This cycle of nonsense came to a head in 2013(more legislation passed in ONE year than since Roe V Wade was passed)...its all a calculated tea party act to undermine the ACA and the libido crazed democrats.

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    01-31-2014 10:27 PM
  12. llamabreath's Avatar
    I really wish Obama would stop indulging the tea partiers on their war against women.

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    That's strange.... the Tea Party must be comprised of old wrinkly rich white men.



    >>> Sent from Hotlanta
    01-31-2014 10:33 PM
  13. msndrstood's Avatar
    Hmmmmm.... probably because those were easy answers (and not hidden).



    >>> Sent from Hotlanta
    Help! My eyes! My eyes! :rolleyes:

    They're stuck.


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    01-31-2014 10:50 PM
  14. palandri's Avatar
    IMO 95% of the people opposing it forget all about "Romneycare" amd oppose it because a democratic president implemented the law(but they'll deny both). I don't see how forcing more legislation to strip away the clauses does ANYTHING to make things better. I don't see how a law that forbids insurance companies for denying you preexisting coverage, aids those on social security or protects college aged kids is bad in the long run. So far the challenges have been mostly toward birth control coverage...these republicans say they're pro-life, and its a violation of their corporation's (aka board members') religious rights to provide coverage to their employees.. This cycle of nonsense came to a head in 2013(more legislation passed in ONE year than since Roe V Wade was passed)...its all a calculated tea party act to undermine the ACA and the libido crazed democrats.

    ✌SG3/iPad2
    It makes for great patriotic theater, and deliver us from evil, amen.
    01-31-2014 11:59 PM
  15. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Uh yes..... Executive members have no authority to change legislation...period

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    That wasn't the question. Want to take a stab at it again?

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    02-01-2014 01:15 AM
  16. GadgetGator's Avatar
    And that's the bone of contention why many are pissed about their premiums doubling. They were happy with their plans, but are forced to take a group style plan with group coverages without the group type discount (unless you qualify for subsides). Go look at the ACA plans and how affordable they are (those with deductibles under 5k).

    You clearly haven't procured a thing for small business. Which is why many have been dropped from what was offered there and told to go get something on the exchange. Small business couldn't afford the new ACA plans and told people they're on their own.

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    On their own? Oh you mean like Republican owned Papa John's who can afford a huge mansion but can't afford healthcare benefits? A lot of these businesses that say they can't afford things have a vested interest in seeing the ACA fail and are willing to put some effort into making that happen.

    For every example you can point to where someone is now paying more, I can point to one where the are paying less. Not to mention the many examples of people who has no insurance at all before. Bankruptcy and losing your house is a rather high cost to pay for your healthcare. Much higher then any rate increase over ACA. Besides, your beef should be with insurance companies who charge too much. Not a political crusade against the first person who was able to finally change a broken system without which we'd still be stuck with for potentially decades.

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    02-01-2014 01:39 AM
  17. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    On their own? Oh you mean like Republican owned Papa John's who can afford a huge mansion but can't afford healthcare benefits? A lot of these businesses that say they can't afford things have a vested interest in seeing the ACA fail and are willing to put some effort into making that happen.

    For every example you can point to where someone is now paying more, I can point to one where the are paying less. Not to mention the many examples of people who has no insurance at all before. Bankruptcy and losing your house is a rather high cost to pay for your healthcare. Much higher then any rate increase over ACA. Besides, your beef should be with insurance companies who charge too much. Not a political crusade against the first person who was able to finally change a broken system without which we'd still be stuck with for potentially decades.

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    Insurance companies that charge too much? Not even an argument. Most Americans will be paying much more for healthcare due to this law. The people that actually pay for the insurance through the exchanges are being gouged. Most people will not qualify for subsidies. This is a terrible case where the needs of the few have come before the needs of the many. In other words, if your goal was to cover more Americans, you failed as many more plans have been terminated than created. Secondly ,its only affordable if you fall in the medicaid or subsidy group, which most people don't.

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    02-01-2014 04:47 AM
  18. palandri's Avatar
    ...This is a terrible case where the needs of the few have come before the needs of the many. In other words, if your goal was to cover more Americans, you failed as many more plans have been terminated than created....
    Do you have a link to back that up? It's my understanding, and I maybe wrong, but it was the individual plans that were cancelled due to them not meeting the ACA standards. I am sure I read that was only about 5% of the population. Has that increased to like 50% now?
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    02-01-2014 10:09 AM
  19. llamabreath's Avatar
    Do you have a link to back that up?
    There're links to back ANYTHING up. I'm sure I can find a link to back up moths forming their own government by attacking snakes and then building skyscrapers taller than ours. Links don't prove a thing, and I can't stand when people demand one when they don't believe a statement because it differs from their own belief.

    There are links for everything.



    >>> Sent from Hotlanta
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    02-01-2014 10:38 AM
  20. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    Do you have a link to back that up? It's my understanding, and I maybe wrong, but it was the individual plans that were cancelled due to them not meeting the ACA standards. I am sure I read that was only about 5% of the population. Has that increased to like 50% now?
    Many other small companies as well have lost insurance. I know this personally. They also like to skew the numbers. Of the private plans that are cancelled, many cover multiple people.

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    02-01-2014 10:59 AM
  21. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    There're links to back ANYTHING up. I'm sure I can find a link to back up moths forming their own government by attacking snakes and then building skyscrapers taller than ours. Links don't prove a thing, and I can't stand when people demand one when they don't believe a statement because it differs from their own belief.

    There are links for everything.



    >>> Sent from Hotlanta
    Exactly

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    02-01-2014 11:00 AM
  22. msndrstood's Avatar
    So what's the point to any argument? None. So these forums are moot. :banghead:

    And mainly the reason I rarely post in Politics anymore. It's an effort in futility. I don't post just to read my own thoughts. Everyone lives in their own echo chamber.

    Toodles. Carry on. :thumbup:

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    02-01-2014 11:11 AM
  23. llamabreath's Avatar
    So what's the point to any argument? None. So these forums are moot. :banghead:

    And mainly the reason I rarely post in Politics anymore. It's an effort in futility. I don't post just to read my own thoughts. Everyone lives in their own echo chamber.

    Toodles. Carry on. :thumbup:

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    02-01-2014 01:04 PM
  24. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Insurance companies that charge too much? Not even an argument. Most Americans will be paying much more for healthcare due to this law. The people that actually pay for the insurance through the exchanges are being gouged. Most people will not qualify for subsidies.
    Okay Chicken Little, I'd like some proof that "most" Americans will be paying much more. I just don't think the evidence is out there to back up your sky is falling scenario.

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    02-01-2014 01:27 PM
  25. cdmjlt369's Avatar
    Okay Chicken Little, I'd like some proof that "most" Americans will be paying much more. I just don't think the evidence is out there to back up your sky is falling scenario.

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    I would like proof that most Americans will have more "affordable" healthcare. You will post evidence that supports your position, I will provide evidence that supports my position and neither of us will trust the other ones source. This has personally touched my family and several others i know so that's my experience. That may not be good enough for you, but it has made the sky fall for some of us. This should have been provided as an opt in only with no penalty. When something is good, needed and reasonable, it's easy to sell. But then, they needed the ones already paying insurance to support the program. They knew what they were doing because they needed the rest of us to support Obamacare financially. My Obamacare plan will cost me as much for me as I was paying for 4 people on my old plan. Fact.

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    02-01-2014 02:14 PM
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