02-24-2014 08:13 AM
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  1. Mooncatt's Avatar
    You do realize that if a policy like this goes into effect, it'll be at least 65 years before it'll have a chance to even start doing anything. That's also assuming the law isn't changed in the mean time. Maybe even 70 years if retirement age is raised. There's also the question of beneficiaries. If you die before cashing out, we don't know if the money can be transferred to someone else like regular accounts or if the government just gets to keep it.
    02-23-2014 02:05 PM
  2. A895's Avatar
    You do realize that if a policy like this goes into effect, it'll be at least 65 years before it'll have a chance to even start doing anything. That's also assuming the law isn't changed in the mean time. Maybe even 70 years if retirement age is raised. There's also the question of beneficiaries. If you die before cashing out, we don't know if the money can be transferred to someone else like regular accounts or if the government just gets to keep it.
    Its better than nothing. And that is something.

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    02-23-2014 02:11 PM
  3. toober's Avatar
    Eventually, we will figure out that some people, for lack of a better term, just suck at life. I am all for helping people that need help, but is it really help to just give them money without giving them the tools needed to effectively use it? You can throw all the money you want at people, but until you teach them what to do with it, they will eventually be back asking for more. There are far too many examples of people rising up from poverty in this country. What makes them different? Why does one person born in the ghetto go on to make a fortune while another stays in poverty their whole life? If we ask the two, will we hear a list of obstacles that were overcome, or a list of excuses that held them down?
    02-23-2014 02:31 PM
  4. NoYankees44's Avatar
    How can you pursue something that you have no hope for ever having? Living pay check to pay check is a reality for most Americans and I think that little incentives like this helps everyone in the long run. It shows the government cares for its people and wants to help and it puts some money in all citizens pockets.

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    It is the citizen's money already. The government has no money of its own...

    You have the right to life as well. So is it a violation every time someone dies?

    A right is not a guarantee. It is a line the government cannot cross. The government can do nothing to take away your right to pursue happiness. It has nothing to do with the ability to be happy. By your logic, every citizen would be completely supported by the government no matter whether they actually produced(assuming they had the ability to produce) anything or not.
    02-23-2014 03:07 PM
  5. A895's Avatar
    Eventually, we will figure out that some people, for lack of a better term, just suck at life. I am all for helping people that need help, but is it really help to just give them money without giving them the tools needed to effectively use it? You can throw all the money you want at people, but until you teach them what to do with it, they will eventually be back asking for more. There are far too many examples of people rising up from poverty in this country. What makes them different? Why does one person born in the ghetto go on to make a fortune while another stays in poverty their whole life? If we ask the two, will we hear a list of obstacles that were overcome, or a list of excuses that held them down?
    So let them and their families sit in poverty? A retirement plan like the one in the article mentions could help a lot when people retire or did not have the chance to save properly for retirement.

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    02-23-2014 03:59 PM
  6. A895's Avatar
    It is the citizen's money already. The government has no money of its own...

    You have the right to life as well. So is it a violation every time someone dies?

    A right is not a guarantee. It is a line the government cannot cross. The government can do nothing to take away your right to pursue happiness. It has nothing to do with the ability to be happy. By your logic, every citizen would be completely supported by the government no matter whether they actually produced(assuming they had the ability to produce) anything or not.
    Not actually supported but helped in key areas. Food stamps goes a long way in keeping food on the table of people who otherwise could not afford it.

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    02-23-2014 04:00 PM
  7. toober's Avatar
    So let them and their families sit in poverty? A retirement plan like the one in the article mentions could help a lot when people retire or did not have the chance to save properly for retirement.

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    If their only goal in life is to get to the mailbox for their next check, I have no problem letting them sit in their own squalor. If they are actually trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, I will do everything within my power to help. Just because someone needs something doesn't give them the right to take it from someone that has worked hard to provide for their own family and might have a little extra.
    02-23-2014 04:05 PM
  8. A895's Avatar
    If their only goal in life is to get to the mailbox for their next check, I have no problem letting them sit in their own squalor. If they are actually trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, I will do everything within my power to help. Just because someone needs something doesn't give them the right to take it from someone that has worked hard to provide for their own family and might have a little extra.
    But its tax money. Money already taken out of everyone's regular pay already. Government ultimately decides what to do with it.

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    02-23-2014 04:16 PM
  9. Mooncatt's Avatar
    But its tax money. Money already taken out of everyone's regular pay already. Government ultimately decides what to do with it.
    When they take the taxpayers' money, we have every right to question what it's used for, and vote the people out when we don't like what they spend on if we want.
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    02-23-2014 05:04 PM
  10. A895's Avatar
    When they take the taxpayers' money, we have every right to question what it's used for, and vote the people out when we don't like what they spend on if we want.
    But what if people do want this?

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    02-23-2014 05:43 PM
  11. Mooncatt's Avatar
    But what if people do want this?
    Then put it to a referendum vote, state by state where this should be handled. It's not an act the Federal government is allowed under the constitution anyway.
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    02-23-2014 06:50 PM
  12. NoYankees44's Avatar
    But what if people do want this?

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    "The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money."-- Alexis de Tocqueville
    02-24-2014 08:13 AM
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