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  1. msndrstood's Avatar
    While I'm no longer in the workforce, when I was still in a medical office situation, I tried to be a 'team' player and got stabbed, sliced and diced by people with less education and once I found out what they did, I was out of there, but not before I made sure the doctors in the practice knew EXACTLY how their employees felt about them. (Bite the hand that feeds you comes to mind). On one of my last days there, I made it known that it was the most dysfunctional place I had ever worked. ๐Ÿ˜จ

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    03-25-2014 05:49 PM
  2. toober's Avatar
    While not as extreme, I do try to further my education and do pass things along when applicable. In my experience, management sees not only your self learning, but also the willingness to pass it along, which makes you look better for promotions and such. Think about it this way:

    If you're up for promotion, which would look better? Someone that simply knows a lot, or someone that knows a lot and knows how to convey it to others (like the people working under you that need new info for their jobs)? I'm of the mentality that usually the slackers will fail of their own accord even with your help, so don't worry about them somehow getting an unfair edge from your help. Some of them may even appreciate it and return the favor one day.
    Don't get me wrong, I am willing to help someone that will go the extra mile. There are a few coworkers that I regularly discuss industry news with and would share any and all knowledge I have. Thing is, when it comes to helping people that don't want to work for it, I have no tim or patience to waste on them.
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    03-25-2014 05:51 PM
  3. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Don't get me wrong, I am willing to help someone that will go the extra mile. There are a few coworkers that I regularly discuss industry news with and would share any and all knowledge I have. Thing is, when it comes to helping people that don't want to work for it, I have no tim or patience to waste on them.
    I will concede that if you know someone won't put your advice to use, then there isn't much point to trying to help them. There's been people I've stopped trying to help for that reason, mostly because they were "old timers" that thought they already knew everything and just refused to adapt to changing technologies and techniques.
    03-25-2014 06:20 PM
  4. anon8126715's Avatar
    Is it considered hoarding information if I have gone above and beyond to obtain the information? I have always been the type person that wants to know everything I can about the job I am doing. I have spent countless hours off the clock after work learning how to operate machinery that I may or may not later be required to work with. I have taught myself how to program and operate CNC saws and earned a promotion when the normal saw operator walked off the job. I spent my own time and money learning to drive a truck to get off the hose of an industrial vacuum truck. I have worked through breaks and lunches to be trained on other machinery in factories where I've worked. I always show up early and leave late to show my employer that I am the best and most deserving when it comes time for my evaluation. Please tell me why I am now the bad guy for holding back some of what I know from the slackers I work with. Why should I spend a single minute on them when they are the last in and the first out? What do I owe them when I have given up so much of myself for the knowledge I hold?
    If someone takes initiative to ask you to teach them what you know and you dismiss them because you want to know more, then yes. If you learn more to become more productive for your company then no. Although, as I stated, if you hold back knowledge because you don't want anyone else to know as much as you, then you should probably learn something more complex.
    03-25-2014 09:22 PM
  5. anon8126715's Avatar
    As much as it pain me to agree with one of the right wing crazies he is right. College is not for everyone. I am in full belief we push college way to hard. It is the other options that do not even really talk about or put out there.
    Their are a lot of 2 year degrees that can get you into middle class right off the bat. Trade schools is another option out there.

    As for knowledge hoarding I try not to minus a select group of people where I work because I have been burned or watch them burn someone. They hoard and then have no issue stabbing you in the back if it gets them one step ahead. So I try to avoid sharing any more than required with them.
    Doesn't have to be a 4 year college, just some post high school education. What you learn in college is rarely applied to what you do for a living anyways.
    03-25-2014 09:24 PM
  6. palandri's Avatar
    ... I have spent countless hours off the clock after work learning how to operate machinery that I may or may not later be required to work with... I have worked through breaks and lunches to be trained on other machinery in factories where I've worked. I always show up early and leave late to show my employer that I am the best and most deserving when it comes time for my evaluation....
    So are you saying that you've working off the clock at your employer? Like working 10 to 12 hours but only putting 8 hours on your time card? Working through lunch and still claiming you took a lunch on your time card?
    03-25-2014 11:45 PM
  7. A895's Avatar
    Let me ask you this: Do you think a junky who prefers being strung out on drugs over being a productive citizen belongs in a college setting? Yes, there are some people that don't belong there. There's also plenty of examples of people doing well for themselves without a formal degree (or like me that got a degree in one field, but work in another that's unrelated).
    A junky on drugs? Want an odd thing to bring up. Also, there are plenty of examples of people doing good with a degree.

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    03-26-2014 05:29 AM
  8. A895's Avatar
    I am definitely a knowledge hoarder. But I do share it with any who listen.

    I also do agree Education needs work. When I started college this semester I noticed how many people took out loans ๐Ÿ˜ฑ. I'm luck I didn't. I'm in college with a scholarship and I have a federal grant, so I pay nothing for college. But, I do have to keep up my grades to keep getting the money (obviously) but, other than I'm happy. I point this out to all my step sisters, if you want a comfortable living and it would better serve you, go to a trade school. Going into debt for college is stupid. Even an associates degree can get you a decent job and pay. If you want to be ambitious and get a high paying job then a Bachelors and Masters is your choice. But if you want to go all out, a Doctorate may be your thing.

    I wish I could stand school, otherwise I definitely would have gone for a Doctorate. But school is annoying and I'm already ready to get out ๐Ÿ˜.

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    03-26-2014 05:41 AM
  9. toober's Avatar
    So are you saying that you've working off the clock at your employer? Like working 10 to 12 hours but only putting 8 hours on your time card? Working through lunch and still claiming you took a lunch on your time card?
    Yes, but not performing the job I was being paid for at the time. There was a time when doing things like this was called taking initiative and not frowned upon and regulated against. What I do on my lunch break and off the clock is my own business whether it is spent learning and advancing myself or watching porn.
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    03-26-2014 08:20 PM
  10. palandri's Avatar
    Is it considered hoarding information if I have gone above and beyond to obtain the information? I have always been the type person that wants to know everything I can about the job I am doing. I have spent countless hours off the clock after work learning how to operate machinery that I may or may not later be required to work with. I have taught myself how to program and operate CNC saws and earned a promotion when the normal saw operator walked off the job. I spent my own time and money learning to drive a truck to get off the hose of an industrial vacuum truck. I have worked through breaks and lunches to be trained on other machinery in factories where I've worked. I always show up early and leave late to show my employer that I am the best and most deserving when it comes time for my evaluation. Please tell me why I am now the bad guy for holding back some of what I know from the slackers I work with. Why should I spend a single minute on them when they are the last in and the first out? What do I owe them when I have given up so much of myself for the knowledge I hold?
    Yes, but not performing the job I was being paid for at the time. There was a time when doing things like this was called taking initiative and not frowned upon and regulated against. What I do on my lunch break and off the clock is my own business whether it is spent learning and advancing myself or watching porn.
    Let me cut to the chase from the statements you made here, and I am not going to try to sugar coat it. I am not trying to attack you or insult you, but rather give you the impression I get from your statements. I am also willing bet that this isn't the first time you've heard this.

    What I see from your statements is you have a, "I am better than everyone else", attitude. That's not the best way to make friends and influence people, and to get ahead in the workplace you need to make friends and influence people in a positive manner, not with a, " I am better than everyone else" attitude.

    I had a first year apprentice not that long ago that had the same type of attitude. He ended up being the only apprentice that contractors didn't want, so he just sat on the books. Contractors didn't want him because nobody wanted to work with him. He lasted about a year before our E-board told him to turn his card in and he was gone.

    I am just trying to give it to you straight.
    03-27-2014 07:22 AM
  11. toober's Avatar
    What I see from your statements is you have a, "I am better than everyone else", attitude. That's not the best way to make friends and influence people, and to get ahead in the workplace you need to make friends and influence people in a positive manner, not with a, " I am better than everyone else" attitude.
    I do not believe I am better than anyone else, I just make different choices in how I choose to spend my time. Many time I've seen college students bring their textbooks with them to work and study during breaks, Why is it looked upon differently if I choose to put that time into learning more about the place I am working? If I am not content with my current position, isn't it up to me to change that? I have seen people go to work for years at the same place and do the same job, day and day out. I cannot do that. I get bored doing the same job every day. Once I learn to do something, and do it well, I need to do something else for a while, That is why it took 15 years and at least that many jobs before I found one that I could stick with.
    03-27-2014 08:22 AM
  12. palandri's Avatar
    I do not believe I am better than anyone else, I just make different choices in how I choose to spend my time.
    That's not the impression I get from your statements. Perception is normally reality.

    ... Many time I've seen college students bring their textbooks with them to work and study during breaks, Why is it looked upon differently if I choose to put that time into learning more about the place I am working? If I am not content with my current position, isn't it up to me to change that?....
    Yes it is, but it's how you go about it.

    I have seen people go to work for years at the same place and do the same job, day and day out. I cannot do that. I get bored doing the same job every day. Once I learn to do something, and do it well, I need to do something else for a while, That is why it took 15 years and at least that many jobs before I found one that I could stick with.
    Going through 15 jobs in 15 years should raise a flag.

    I am just trying to give it to you straight.
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    03-27-2014 08:47 AM
  13. toober's Avatar
    Going through 15 jobs in 15 years should raise a flag.
    Like I said, I was easily bored in a position doing the same thing every day. I stopped moving around when I found my current job and am quite happy now working in a field that is constantly changing and evolving. I also have a bachelors degree as well as a degree from a trade school, both of which I am not using in my current field. I also spent some time learning to weld at a local college but decided I didn't want to be a welder after only 6 months on the job. I have never been fired from a job, and almost always gave notice to employers when I left. I have cheated no one and will be cheated by no one.
    03-27-2014 03:13 PM
  14. Tall Mike 2145's Avatar
    My dad had the following philosophy:

    Never tell people what you know, because then they will know what they know and what you know.

    In general, I disagree with this because I believe we are better off as a species through interaction and sharing of knowledge. However, having worked for Sony for several years (in particular, because this was a formalized process, but elsewhere, too) I also know you have to keep control over what you know and your skill set, lest they try to commoditize what you do and what you know and make it to where any chimpanzee can do it as well.
    04-02-2014 02:20 PM
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