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  1. pappy53's Avatar
    But only facts from a liberal site are facts, huh? Lol!


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    04-10-2014 02:13 PM
  2. msndrstood's Avatar
    But only facts from a liberal site are facts, huh? Lol!


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    Yeah that's why I posted business times too. That's a real lib org

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    04-10-2014 02:14 PM
  3. JnEricsonx's Avatar
    This post reminds me of John McCain's quote from the 2008 campaign trail. He speculated that middle class in America made $250,000 a year. Go to the inner cities and see how some people live. Don't just trust the glass menagerie that your sheltered life has afforded you. There are people out there that suffer daily trying to figure out where their next meal will come from, how they're going to make enough money to pay their next bill, or where they're even going to find warm shelter.

    Making sure 'motel kids' don't go hungry - CNN.com I invite you to open your eyes.
    If the middle class makes 250k a year, then holy crap my household is the better part of 200k SHORT.
    05-18-2014 07:14 PM
  4. palandri's Avatar
    10-30-2014 06:38 PM
  5. palandri's Avatar
    I live in Iowa and very few people in this state are that stupid, although the ones that are do tend to be concentrated in certain areas. I get the point she's trying to make, but it's embarrassing having someone behave so childishly and vulgar when trying to represent - well, anyone. In the real world, she has a very low chance of winning her primary and if she does win that, she's polling significantly behind two other candidates, one of which has experience in national politics. She is from a very low population area of Iowa and has done little but behave like a clown while in the state senate. Odds of her being a part of anything that's not better fitting as satire are slightly less than us electing an actual pig.
    Sad, but true, she won.
    11-04-2014 10:59 PM
  6. nolittdroid's Avatar
    Pathetic.
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    11-05-2014 04:06 PM
  7. anon8126715's Avatar
    Sad, but true, she won.
    Sometimes when you pander to the lowest common denominator, you get more people to back you, not necessarily quality of people, but quantity.
    11-05-2014 10:06 PM
  8. Scott7217's Avatar
    Sometimes when you pander to the lowest common denominator, you get more people to back you, not necessarily quality of people, but quantity.
    At the end of the day, though, it's quantity that wins the election.

    Maybe the media wasn't aggressive enough in reporting Joni Ernst's political positions. They gave her a pass, and all she had to do was not make any extreme comments that her opponents could exploit as sound bites on YouTube or social media.
    11-06-2014 01:53 PM
  9. anon8126715's Avatar
    At the end of the day, though, it's quantity that wins the election.

    Maybe the media wasn't aggressive enough in reporting Joni Ernst's political positions. They gave her a pass, and all she had to do was not make any extreme comments that her opponents could exploit as sound bites on YouTube or social media.
    That seems to be where we are as a society, speak big and carry a soft stick....I miss the days when Bugs Bunny ran things....

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    11-06-2014 06:20 PM
  10. hydrogen3's Avatar
    The Founders believed, and the Conservative agrees, in the dignity of the individual; that we, as human beings, have a right to live, live freely, and pursue that which motivates us not because man or some government says so, but because these are God-given natural rights.

    I realized that conservatism was the philosophy that best suited me, with its emphasis on individual liberty, personal responsibility, and merit.
    11-17-2014 01:29 PM
  11. anon8126715's Avatar
    The Founders believed, and the Conservative agrees, in the dignity of the individual; that we, as human beings, have a right to live, live freely, and pursue that which motivates us not because man or some government says so, but because these are God-given natural rights.

    I realized that conservatism was the philosophy that best suited me, with its emphasis on individual liberty, personal responsibility, and merit.

    Live freely when it comes to rich people gutting this country and running, not so much when it's gay people wanting federal rights that other couples have, nor when it comes to a woman's right to choose, nor when it comes to recreational drug use, nor when it's certain races wanting the same freedoms under the law, without being harassed, or illegally searched. And most certainly, not so much conservative when it comes to protecting our planet nor the other inhabitants of this planet. But sure, if you say so.
    11-17-2014 06:45 PM
  12. hydrogen3's Avatar
    "Live freely when it comes to rich people gutting this country"

    America's middle class is being gutted by a variety of complex and interrelated factors, and Obama's economic plan is increasingly evident to be damaging those at the center of it.

    "gay people wanting federal rights"

    Touchy subject..Government should not be involved in the business of marriage..If same sex couples can find a Church, synagogue etc, to perform the marriage then so be it... Non of Government's business.. Individual Liberty......

    "woman's right to choose"

    Agreed. That being said I don't want my tax dollars used to perform abortions..

    "certain races wanting the same freedoms under the law"

    We have come a long way. More Improvement is needed I agree...

    "protecting our planet nor the other inhabitants of this planet"

    Man does pollute.. However I consider pollution and climate change now called climate collapse two different issues.
    11-18-2014 06:57 AM
  13. Scott7217's Avatar
    That seems to be where we are as a society, speak big and carry a soft stick....I miss the days when Bugs Bunny ran things....

    I'm not sure I follow you. The video you posted shows Yosemite Sam beating up Bugs Bunny with a bigger stick.

    Perhaps you are making a commentary on how vicious political attacks can backfire. For example, Bruce Braley attacked Joni Ernst's pro-life record, and that didn't go over too well with the voters.

    Joni Ernst's victory means that she will be the third female senator who is pro-life. (The other two are Deb Fischer from Nebraska and Kelly Ayotte from New Hampshire.) This is significant because in 2010, there were zero pro-life women in the Senate. Now we have three.
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    11-18-2014 04:38 PM
  14. NoYankees44's Avatar
    I'm not sure I follow you. The video you posted shows Yosemite Sam beating up Bugs Bunny with a bigger stick.

    Perhaps you are making a commentary on how vicious political attacks can backfire. For example, Bruce Braley attacked Joni Ernst's pro-life record, and that didn't go over too well with the voters.

    Joni Ernst's victory means that she will be the third female senator who is pro-life. (The other two are Deb Fischer from Nebraska and Kelly Ayotte from New Hampshire.) This is significant because in 2010, there were zero pro-life women in the Senate. Now we have three.
    That's an interesting piece of information.

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    11-18-2014 05:25 PM
  15. anon8126715's Avatar
    I'm not sure I follow you. The video you posted shows Yosemite Sam beating up Bugs Bunny with a bigger stick.

    Perhaps you are making a commentary on how vicious political attacks can backfire. For example, Bruce Braley attacked Joni Ernst's pro-life record, and that didn't go over too well with the voters.

    Joni Ernst's victory means that she will be the third female senator who is pro-life. (The other two are Deb Fischer from Nebraska and Kelly Ayotte from New Hampshire.) This is significant because in 2010, there were zero pro-life women in the Senate. Now we have three.
    The cartoon was posted sarcastically "speak softly" since it seems like debates today seem to be about who screams louder. The Tea-Party partisan red-koolaid drinker that I work with tries to raise his voice from time to time. I'm actually bigger than he is so when he does start to raise his voice, I just tell him that when people yell it's because they aren't intelligent enough to articulate their emotion. If you consider both parties, there seems to be one party that does a lot more screaming than the other party.
    11-18-2014 07:46 PM
  16. Scott7217's Avatar
    The cartoon was posted sarcastically "speak softly" since it seems like debates today seem to be about who screams louder. The Tea-Party partisan red-koolaid drinker that I work with tries to raise his voice from time to time. I'm actually bigger than he is so when he does start to raise his voice, I just tell him that when people yell it's because they aren't intelligent enough to articulate their emotion. If you consider both parties, there seems to be one party that does a lot more screaming than the other party.
    I see your point about the screaming. I'm still hearing Howard Dean's voice from the 2004 Democratic Iowa caucus:

    YouTube -- 2004: The scream that doomed Howard Dean

    ( )

    I don't know your co-worker, but I would guess that he's a very passionate about the causes he supports, and that passion may make it difficult for him to concisely express his viewpoint.

    However, the important part is not who wins an office debate. The important part is who gets elected to office. As long as the two of you are happy with Joni Ernst's election, then both of you are winners.
    11-20-2014 07:13 PM
  17. anon8126715's Avatar
    I see your point about the screaming. I'm still hearing Howard Dean's voice from the 2004 Democratic Iowa caucus:

    YouTube -- 2004: The scream that doomed Howard Dean

    ( )

    I don't know your co-worker, but I would guess that he's a very passionate about the causes he supports, and that passion may make it difficult for him to concisely express his viewpoint.

    However, the important part is not who wins an office debate. The important part is who gets elected to office. As long as the two of you are happy with Joni Ernst's election, then both of you are winners.
    Screaming during a debate isn't an actual debate though, I personally think it means that the person initiating the screaming has not evolved past primitive posturing, like a wild animal trying to seem like he's taller to another animal when they feel threatened.
    11-20-2014 09:08 PM
  18. Scott7217's Avatar
    Screaming during a debate isn't an actual debate though, I personally think it means that the person initiating the screaming has not evolved past primitive posturing, like a wild animal trying to seem like he's taller to another animal when they feel threatened.
    The good thing is that your employer thinks both your coworker and you are worthy to keep on the payroll. Also, it's fine for the two of you to agree to disagree. Like I said, Joni Ernst got elected, so the two of you can celebrate together and put your differences behind you.
    11-21-2014 01:29 PM
  19. anon8126715's Avatar
    The good thing is that your employer thinks both your coworker and you are worthy to keep on the payroll. Also, it's fine for the two of you to agree to disagree. Like I said, Joni Ernst got elected, so the two of you can celebrate together and put your differences behind you.
    We don't let our discussions get out of hand. He on occasion raises his voice and I have to remind him that we're just having a discussion. What's funny is that he is 100% pro Republican and I'm not 100% Democrat, just 100% anti-Republican. There is a difference despite the right wing koolaid drinkers trying to lump everyone that's anti-Republican as a "dirty hippie".
    11-21-2014 02:38 PM
  20. palandri's Avatar
    .... everyone that's anti-Republican as a "dirty hippie".
    Don't forget godless, anti-American, socialist, commie, pinko.
    11-22-2014 12:05 AM
  21. anon8126715's Avatar
    Don't forget godless, anti-American, socialist, commie, pinko.
    Let's Make Them Squeal!-what-what.jpg


    I couldn't channel my "inner-Bunker" as I've been a bit under the weather of late.

    Even though his character was more of a caricature of the right wing, it's somewhat frightening to see how close they got to the real thing. Not to get all "Those were the days" in here, but I do miss the days where sitcoms weren't afraid to attack social issues and social policies. It's safe to say that our sitcom writers has been beaten into submission.
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    11-22-2014 10:24 AM
  22. anon8126715's Avatar
    America's middle class is being gutted by a variety of complex and interrelated factors, and Obama's economic plan is increasingly evident to be damaging those at the center of it.
    Actually, you can go back even further. Many argue that it started around Nixon's administration, but I think Reagan really got the ball rolling. If you are old enough to remember, that's when a certain movie coined the phrase "Greed is good", and I'm sure many people championed that phrase.

    Touchy subject..Government should not be involved in the business of marriage..If same sex couples can find a Church, synagogue etc, to perform the marriage then so be it... Non of Government's business.. Individual Liberty......
    You're right it isn't government's business, but why is the right wing so hellbent on making it their business when they keep crying about "less government"?

    Agreed. That being said I don't want my tax dollars used to perform abortions..
    Are you talking about Planned Parenthood? Do you know they mostly distribute contraceptives and are clinics for poor people that can't afford insurance? The problem with cutting funds for Planned Parenthood is that then you'll have the poor having unprotected sex, and spreading disease. Do you know how much more money goes into spending on a poor child than goes into planned parenthood? Of course there's the alternative of providing a living wage to the poor, but we know the right wing's stance on that.

    We have come a long way. More Improvement is needed I agree...
    Stop and Frisk in NY, the statistics that show a white man with a criminal record has a better chance of being hired than a minority with a record, the disproportionate wealth, I don't think we've come long enough, and yet when someone does say something, it's met with, "You're playing the race card". Trust me, I'm just as sick of hearing about it as anyone, and I personally think we need to get rid of Affirmative Action. But the fact of the matter is that the playing field is far from being level.

    Man does pollute.. However I consider pollution and climate change now called climate collapse two different issues.
    Even if you consider it two different issues, does it not make sense that government needs to do a better job of regulating industry? There was a pork processing plant in my area that was shut down because it was draining pig blood into a local river out here. The river was a major source of local water. I agree that throwing more money at regulation isn't the answer, but we need to do a better job of implementing regulations already in place. I suspect there is a lot of government corruption in our regulatory system. That's probably due to the fact that regulators are easily corrupted. If they were paid more, would that keep them on the up and up? When industry is so large that it can manipulate the system, and the right wing wants to shrink that governing body even more, that tells me that big business is already working behind the scenes trying to buy more politicians.
    11-22-2014 01:38 PM
  23. Scott7217's Avatar
    What's funny is that he is 100% pro Republican and I'm not 100% Democrat, just 100% anti-Republican.
    If you're not 100% Democrat, does that mean you sometimes vote for independent candidates?
    11-22-2014 04:58 PM
  24. anon8126715's Avatar
    If you're not 100% Democrat, does that mean you sometimes vote for independent candidates?
    I did vote for Perot back when he ran even though many people said I was throwing my vote away. I think there are a lot of independents out there with good ideas, but they get drowned out by our 2-party system. I do wish we had a much more viable alternative than the Democrats.
    11-22-2014 06:54 PM
  25. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I did vote for Perot back when he ran even though many people said I was throwing my vote away. I think there are a lot of independents out there with good ideas, but they get drowned out by our 2-party system. I do wish we had a much more viable alternative than the Democrats.
    I used to think that, but come to think that voting for one of the two main parties for being "the lesser of two evils" is just as bad, if not worse. For one, as more people turn away from the two main parties, the more it'll open up additional options as those outside candidates notice that there's people that are willing to vote for them. It will likely start on more local levels and move up. I doubt we'll see a third party/independent President before much of the country has a solid base at the various local levels. The other reason I'm now voting my conviction, even if it means voting a third party, is because voting otherwise means you're not really solid in your ideals IMHO.
    11-22-2014 08:44 PM
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