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  1. anon8126715's Avatar
    I used to think that, but come to think that voting for one of the two main parties for being "the lesser of two evils" is just as bad, if not worse. For one, as more people turn away from the two main parties, the more it'll open up additional options as those outside candidates notice that there's people that are willing to vote for them. It will likely start on more local levels and move up. I doubt we'll see a third party/independent President before much of the country has a solid base at the various local levels. The other reason I'm now voting my conviction, even if it means voting a third party, is because voting otherwise means you're not really solid in your ideals IMHO.
    I think what happens is that since there's 2 sides to every argument, when an independent runs on a platform that's important enough, you'll get one party on one side and the other party on the other side. Thus, you won't see an independent that will get on a platform that they can claim exclusivity to. Look at Marijuana legalization, an independent can make that their platform, but then if it proves to be popular enough, one of the other parties will take it as their platform.
    11-22-2014 09:26 PM
  2. Scott7217's Avatar
    I did vote for Perot back when he ran even though many people said I was throwing my vote away.
    Ross Perot was important because he helped to defeat George H. W. Bush, paving the way for Bill Clinton to become president.

    Without Clinton in office, we wouldn't have the repeal of parts of the Glass-Steagall Act, which helped the banking industry.

    Also, we increased our development in unmanned drones, which is what we use today to fight terrorists overseas. After Clinton ordered Operation Infinite Reach, we learned that cruise missiles weren't always the best choice to take out targets, so we developed the Predator instead.
    11-23-2014 04:29 PM
  3. anon8126715's Avatar
    Ross Perot was important because he helped to defeat George H. W. Bush, paving the way for Bill Clinton to become president.

    Without Clinton in office, we wouldn't have the repeal of parts of the Glass-Steagall Act, which helped the banking industry.

    Also, we increased our development in unmanned drones, which is what we use today to fight terrorists overseas. After Clinton ordered Operation Infinite Reach, we learned that cruise missiles weren't always the best choice to take out targets, so we developed the Predator instead.
    Lets see, what party had what control back in 1999......

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    11-23-2014 06:13 PM
  4. Scott7217's Avatar
    Lets see, what party had what control back in 1999......
    So, you're saying Americans like a Democrat in the White House and Republicans in Congress. That sounds reasonable to me. Since you voted for Ross Perot, it would have been nice to have an Independent in there somewhere, but I guess you can't have everything.
    11-23-2014 07:34 PM
  5. anon8126715's Avatar
    So, you're saying Americans like a Democrat in the White House and Republicans in Congress. That sounds reasonable to me. Since you voted for Ross Perot, it would have been nice to have an Independent in there somewhere, but I guess you can't have everything.
    I was actually pointing out the fact that Presidents don't create laws. Sure he could've vetoed Glass-Steagall, but considering he was heavily invested in real estate, I'm willing to bet he thought it was a good idea from that perspective, which interestingly enough is how we had the housing bubble burst shortly thereafter.
    11-23-2014 07:48 PM
  6. Scott7217's Avatar
    I was actually pointing out the fact that Presidents don't create laws. Sure he could've vetoed Glass-Steagall, but considering he was heavily invested in real estate, I'm willing to bet he thought it was a good idea from that perspective, which interestingly enough is how we had the housing bubble burst shortly thereafter.
    I would also agree that Clinton thought the repeal of Glass-Steagall was a good idea. We can certainly see the benefits today.

    If you prefer to look at laws introduced by the Democrats, we can always look at the Religious Freedom Restoration Act that Chuck Schumer introduced. Clinton signed that into law, and that was a key part in the Hobby Lobby Supreme Court decision.
    12-05-2014 06:10 AM
  7. palandri's Avatar
    Joni has been named to give the rebuttal to Obama's State of the Union address.
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    01-16-2015 09:15 AM
  8. anon8126715's Avatar
    Joni has been named to give the rebuttal to Obama's State of the Union address.
    I like watching Jon Stewart, Colbert, John Oliver, Bill Maher, and other late night hosts dissect the GOP rebuttal, especially since Obama's been in office. It's like watching diehard right wing morons try to explain that we're much worse now than when GWB left office. I'm already going to call it, the GOP will insist that unemployment is lower because "everyone had to take less paying jobs and many jobs are part time jobs! (as if the jobs under GWB were somehow magical 6-figure jobs, no they were the same craptacular jobs but with unemployment still being what it was) They aren't real jobs, they're imaginary jobs!". Lets see what else, the stock market that's imaginary too! Umm lets see, gas prices are lower because of the fact that both houses have now been under GOP rule for all of a week. Almost as entertaining should be what right wing radio has to say about the speech. If I didn't detest the sound of his voice, I'd probably tune in to Rush Limbaugh to hear what that blowhard has to say.
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    01-17-2015 09:26 PM
  9. anon8126715's Avatar
    Obama To Propose Tax Hikes On Wealthy, Breaks For Middle Class I'm curious to see how the poor faction of the GOP party are going to react to this (by poor I mean those that make under $250,000 a year as a couple or $120,000 a year as a single person). What they don't understand is that when you can afford to change the rules, you can afford to give yourself insane raises. It has nothing to do with working harder nor working smarter. It has everything to do with buying the rules.

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    01-18-2015 09:49 AM
  10. palandri's Avatar
    I am sure Joni Ernest will have all the answers. She castrates pigs on her Iowa farm. That makes her more than qualified, plus she has the support of the Tea Party.
    01-18-2015 10:39 AM
  11. anon8126715's Avatar
    I am sure Joni Ernest will have all the answers. She castrates pigs on her Iowa farm. That makes her more than qualified, plus she has the support of the Tea Party.
    I'm sure all the comedians that report on politics have their DVR on standby. I bet they view it like a sports fanatic (non-Chicago-Bears I mean :P ) would view the Super Bowl....
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    01-18-2015 10:47 AM
  12. Scott7217's Avatar
    Joni has been named to give the rebuttal to Obama's State of the Union address.
    Ernst seems like a good choice. By the way, I didn't know she is a lieutenant colonel in the US Army National Guard. She will be the first female veteran in the Senate, so she's making history.
    01-19-2015 10:38 PM
  13. palandri's Avatar
    Ernst seems like a good choice. By the way, I didn't know she is a lieutenant colonel in the US Army National Guard. She will be the first female veteran in the Senate, so she's making history.
    She is a good choice because the Tea Party now rules the Republican party.
    01-19-2015 10:42 PM
  14. Scott7217's Avatar
    She is a good choice because the Tea Party now rules the Republican party.
    Do you have a different Republican in mind who would be more suitable to give the response to the State of the Union address?
    01-19-2015 10:49 PM
  15. palandri's Avatar
    Do you have a different Republican in mind who would be more suitable to give the response to the State of the Union address?
    Former member of the United States House of Representatives Michele Bachmann would be another good choice, along with former Governor Sarah Palin. Any of them could talk about how all these socialist policies are ruining their lives and America as a whole. Maybe end it with a teary eye and say, this isn't the America I knew growing up.
    01-20-2015 06:31 AM
  16. Scott7217's Avatar
    Former member of the United States House of Representatives Michele Bachmann would be another good choice, along with former Governor Sarah Palin.
    I find it interesting that you chose 2 additional women from the Republican ranks. This helps to dispel the idea that there are no women of prominence within the GOP.
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    01-20-2015 03:51 PM
  17. anon8126715's Avatar
    Joni has been named to give the rebuttal to Obama's State of the Union address.
    Your girl is on. Instead of replying to the President, she's going to give us some pre-packaged garbage. I guess when you're the party of empty suits, sometimes it's hard for the donors to convey their message in a timely manner. And WTH is she talking about red bags slipped over their feet? Is she going to start a government program to give people red bags?
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    01-20-2015 09:28 PM
  18. palandri's Avatar
    ......And WTH is she talking about red bags slipped over their feet? Is she going to start a government program to give people red bags?
    She got lost in an old western movie where kids went to school barefoot.
    01-20-2015 09:38 PM
  19. anon8126715's Avatar
    She got lost in an old western movie where kids went to school barefoot.
    lol, thanks for the clarification. I found it kind of pathetic that she couldn't respond to the President's speech, she's just like, "Here is what we think regardless of what he said". Lets you know that they've decided to ignore him outright. Why not argue some of his points? Is it because they can't or because they don't have the attention span long enough to listen to him or are they outright tuning him out? Kind of sad on the GOP's part IMO.
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    01-20-2015 09:52 PM
  20. GadgetGator's Avatar
    I find it interesting that you chose 2 additional women from the Republican ranks. This helps to dispel the idea that there are no women of prominence within the GOP.
    In this case, prominence isn't exactly a good thing.

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    01-21-2015 03:49 AM
  21. palandri's Avatar
    I am still trying to figure out if she said, "red" bags or "bread" bags. Back in the day when I was kid, Ziploc bags didn't exist yet and people would wash plastic bread bags and save them for future use.
    01-21-2015 06:48 AM
  22. hydrogen3's Avatar
    lol, thanks for the clarification. I found it kind of pathetic that she couldn't respond to the President's speech, she's just like, "Here is what we think regardless of what he said". Lets you know that they've decided to ignore him outright. Why not argue some of his points? Is it because they can't or because they don't have the attention span long enough to listen to him or are they outright tuning him out? Kind of sad on the GOP's part IMO.
    Obama's "State of the Union" address hasn't changes in 6 Years, he repeats the same speech over and over again. Boils down to another "redistribution of wealth" speech. The President's speech doesn't deserve a response. President Obama draws loud applause from Republicans when he begins a new section of his remarks, "I have no more campaigns to run." Thank Christ!

    Boring
    01-21-2015 01:42 PM
  23. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Obama's "State of the Union" address hasn't changes in 6 Years, he repeats the same speech over and over again. Boils down to another "redistribution of wealth" speech. The President's speech doesn't deserve a response. President Obama draws loud applause from Republicans when he begins a new section of his remarks, "I have no more campaigns to run." Thank Christ!

    Boring
    Some people, such as you, see what they want to see. This speech was not the same at all. If you really listened to it you would know that. Which I doubt you even did.

    You know what is boring though? People issuing the same complaints about the same man for 2, then 4, then 6 and ultimately 8 years.

    Boring.

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    01-21-2015 03:25 PM
  24. anon8126715's Avatar
    I am still trying to figure out if she said, "red" bags or "bread" bags. Back in the day when I was kid, Ziploc bags didn't exist yet and people would wash plastic bread bags and save them for future use.
    I just heard that she's worth about 9 million dollars so I'm not exactly sure what the message was. From BreAd bags to money bags?
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    01-21-2015 05:53 PM
  25. anon8126715's Avatar
    Obama's "State of the Union" address hasn't changes in 6 Years, he repeats the same speech over and over again. Boils down to another "redistribution of wealth" speech. The President's speech doesn't deserve a response. President Obama draws loud applause from Republicans when he begins a new section of his remarks, "I have no more campaigns to run." Thank Christ!

    Boring
    I find it laughable at best that many of you right wingers actually think that a Democrat is wanting socialism (You know they're also millionaires right?). Almost as ludicrous is that I'm willing to bet that if we DID average all the wealth among the whole population that some of you right wingers would actually gain more wealth. Go look at tax figures for the top tax bracket of ANY golden age of taxation that the right wing keep insisting is a "simpler time" in our history. Don't forget to pick your jaw up off the floor when you're done. I'll help, go look at the top tax brackets for the year 1957 and compare it to the tax bracket for the top today.
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    01-21-2015 06:03 PM
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