04-15-2014 04:39 PM
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  1. Mooncatt's Avatar
    This program makes everyone get a chance at college regardless and it ups college graduation rates which is the end game.
    What reasoning do you have for this? An equal, and possibly more probable argument could be made that it would go the other way. With no "filter" to college entry, then that opens the door for those that won't stand a chance at succeeding to take up more class space and lower graduation rates.
    04-09-2014 09:31 PM
  2. A895's Avatar
    What reasoning do you have for this? An equal, and possibly more probable argument could be made that it would go the other way. With no "filter" to college entry, then that opens the door for those that won't stand a chance at succeeding to take up more class space and lower graduation rates.
    Those who don't succeed gets kicked out of school or drops out and the money goes to someone else hopefully. I don't know all the details of that bit.

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    04-09-2014 09:53 PM
  3. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Those who don't succeed gets kicked out of school or drops out...
    You do realize that lowers graduation rates and looks bad on an educational institution, right?
    04-09-2014 11:07 PM
  4. A895's Avatar
    You do realize that lowers graduation rates and looks bad on an educational institution, right?
    They already were bad, hence this program came to be.

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    04-10-2014 12:12 AM
  5. Mooncatt's Avatar
    They already were bad, hence this program came to be.
    "OMG, our graduation rates are in the tank! Quick, throw money into this pit and make them worse!"

    That's what you're starting to sound like. Especially with this dismissive attitude of being ok with wasting money.
    04-10-2014 01:08 AM
  6. A895's Avatar
    "OMG, our graduation rates are in the tank! Quick, throw money into this pit and make them worse!"

    That's what you're starting to sound like. Especially with this dismissive attitude of being ok with wasting money.
    It was money already there. I don't see it as a waste of money but ok. I'm pretty sure the government has wasted money on worse things than free college for high school graduates.

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    04-10-2014 07:06 AM
  7. Mooncatt's Avatar
    The money was already there, but you had to demonstrate your abilities like any other scholarship to earn the money. That's the kind of filter I was talking about. You're right, the government wastes money all over the place, but that doesn't make it ok to waste more. Not in the real world, anyway.
    04-10-2014 12:51 PM
  8. A895's Avatar
    The money was already there, but you had to demonstrate your abilities like any other scholarship to earn the money. That's the kind of filter I was talking about. You're right, the government wastes money all over the place, but that doesn't make it ok to waste more. Not in the real world, anyway.
    This is the real world and this program is happening. Take it up with TNs legislature. They are the ones who are letting it through.

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    04-10-2014 01:03 PM
  9. Mooncatt's Avatar
    This is the real world and this program is happening. Take it up with TNs legislature. They are the ones who are letting it through.
    I don't live in TN, so they wouldn't have to listen to me. If it happened where I live, I'd say something. But anyway, keep digging if you want.
    04-10-2014 01:11 PM
  10. A895's Avatar
    I don't live in TN, so they wouldn't have to listen to me. If it happened where I live, I'd say something. But anyway, keep digging if you want.
    How am I digging?

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    04-10-2014 03:24 PM
  11. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Government is wasting money, so it's ok to waste more.

    Give people more free money but don't want to show them how to be more productive with what they already have

    It's ok to throw money away, as long as it's in small amounts but not not the same amount saved over time.

    Don't care how tax dollars are spent as long as it's taken from the evil rich.

    Paraphrasing, of course.
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    04-10-2014 04:34 PM
  12. A895's Avatar
    Government is wasting money, so it's ok to waste more.

    Give people more free money but don't want to show them how to be more productive with what they already have

    It's ok to throw money away, as long as it's in small amounts but not not the same amount saved over time.

    Don't care how tax dollars are spent as long as it's taken from the evil rich.

    Paraphrasing, of course.
    The only problem being this isn't tax money from the rich. We cant tell people how to live their loves and if they are lower class and buying lottery tickets with the last of their money, who are we to say "No, you should be saving it!". Whole it would be the right thing to logically, in reality you are just telling people how to live their lives which is what people don't want.

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    04-10-2014 04:56 PM
  13. toober's Avatar
    The only problem being this isn't tax money from the rich. We cant tell people how to live their loves and if they are lower class and buying lottery tickets with the last of their money, who are we to say "No, you should be saving it!". Whole it would be the right thing to logically, in reality you are just telling people how to live their lives which is what people don't want.

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    A liberal that doesn't want to tell people how to live their lives. Now that is a rarity. Usually you guys are all about telling people what not to do.

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    04-10-2014 06:33 PM
  14. Mooncatt's Avatar
    A liberal that doesn't want to tell people how to live their lives. Now that is a rarity. Usually you guys are all about telling people what not to do.
    He just doesn't want to tell poor people what to do. Rich people are still game apparently.
    04-10-2014 07:00 PM
  15. A895's Avatar
    He just doesn't want to tell poor people what to do. Rich people are still game apparently.
    Considering they have way more power than the people we are discussing they sure can be game.

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    04-10-2014 07:29 PM
  16. A895's Avatar
    A liberal that doesn't want to tell people how to live their lives. Now that is a rarity. Usually you guys are all about telling people what not to do.

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    Orly?

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    04-10-2014 07:30 PM
  17. toober's Avatar
    Orly?

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    Yes, really. It seems every time a liberal doesn't like something, it has to be banned for everyone. Look at the bans on foods in NY, gun bans popping up everywhere, bans on religion, government mandates on healthcare, the list goes on and on.
    04-10-2014 07:56 PM
  18. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Considering they have way more power than the people we are discussing they sure can be game.
    Fine, so long as you don't mind being told what to do with your money by someone lower in financial status than you. After all, you're rich compared to them, and they know better what to do with your hard earned money than you do. Right? Level playing field and all that.
    04-10-2014 08:09 PM
  19. A895's Avatar
    Yes, really. It seems every time a liberal doesn't like something, it has to be banned for everyone. Look at the bans on foods in NY, gun bans popping up everywhere, bans on religion, government mandates on healthcare, the list goes on and on.
    I actually agree with everything you said except Healthcare. I actually wish they didn't mess with gun laws. And those food bans in NY is stupid. Tell me more about those religion bans though.

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    04-10-2014 10:00 PM
  20. A895's Avatar
    Fine, so long as you don't mind being told what to do with your money by someone lower in financial status than you. After all, you're rich compared to them, and they know better what to do with your hard earned money than you do. Right? Level playing field and all that.
    If I am rich and I have to pay more taxes I would not care. That's my mind set though and few are going to agree with that. But if you have the extra money why would you worry about it?

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    04-10-2014 10:01 PM
  21. Mooncatt's Avatar
    If I am rich and I have to pay more taxes I would not care. That's my mind set though and few are going to agree with that. But if you have the extra money why would you worry about it?
    Like I said, you are likely rich compared to others. To them, you have extra money they don't have. So to them, you shouldn't care about how your tax dollars are used. It's the same argument. As to your last point, well to do people have extra money laying around precisely because they worry about it. They want to make sure their money is spent wisely, and expecting the same from the government is no different. Even if I made over a million per year, I'd still try to be as mindful of my money as I am now so that I don't blow it all.
    04-10-2014 11:02 PM
  22. toober's Avatar
    I actually agree with everything you said except Healthcare. I actually wish they didn't mess with gun laws. And those food bans in NY is stupid. Tell me more about those religion bans though.

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    Parents Claim School Banned Son’s God-Themed Valentine’s Day Cards — and Now They’re Suing
    Here is a link to the most recent story I've heard. There are many others where religious persons, mostly Christians, are not allowed to practice their faith in public. There have been many stories about the words "under God" being removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. Nativity scenes have been removed from public squares. The 10 commandments have been removed from federal buildings. All done in the name of some imaginary separation of church and state that people insist is in the constitution. Atheists seem to be very frightened of people's belief in a higher power because they are fighting harder every day to remove any reference to it from the public view.
    04-10-2014 11:10 PM
  23. Aquila's Avatar
    Parents Claim School Banned Son’s God-Themed Valentine’s Day Cards — and Now They’re Suing
    Here is a link to the most recent story I've heard. There are many others where religious persons, mostly Christians, are not allowed to practice their faith in public. There have been many stories about the words "under God" being removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. Nativity scenes have been removed from public squares. The 10 commandments have been removed from federal buildings. All done in the name of some imaginary separation of church and state that people insist is in the constitution. Atheists seem to be very frightened of people's belief in a higher power because they are fighting harder every day to remove any reference to it from the public view.
    The Pledge: Francis Bellamy was a socialist. He was inclined also, because of those beliefs, to include "equality and fraternity" in the pledge, but he decided against it because he knew that those he answered to were deeply stacked up against equality for women and minorities. The original pledge was stated with a very Nazi-esque arm up and forward salute, which was replaced by Congress when they adopted the pledge due to its connection with Nazi Germany. Here is the original pledge of allegiance in full: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    Note the lack of, "under God" and the lack of, "of the United States of America". Other changes were capitalizing "Nation". The original stayed in form from 1892 until 1923 at which time, "my Flag" was changed to, "the Flag of the United States" and then in 1925 that was changed to "the Flag of the United States of America". Congress deigned to recognize the pledge in that form around June of 1942, in which it remained for 12 more years until 1954 at which time, "under God" was added.

    So it would seem logical that if things can more or less randomly be added, that things could more or less randomly be subtracted and it is not that sacred of a thing to begin with. The pledge made it 62 years without, "under God" and has now made it 60 years with, "under God". Perhaps in two years we ought to change it to, "under the boardwalk". As long as students are not required to state it during required public education, it could not really matter less what it says. If you choose to say it, then the words matter.

    Public Spaces: Removing religious paraphernalia from public spaces is not the same thing as banning a religion nor from prohibiting individuals to from practicing their own religion. What it is the same thing as is removing a state endorsement of those religions. As the courthouse is not a person, it has no religion to practice and it has no rights to practice religion that are infringed upon by the removal of the imposition of the trappings theocratic rule.

    If you want to stop on the sidewalk and pray, go for it, do you, have a great time. I may even stop and pray with you. If you want to hand out literature about your faith in the park, cool beans dude, do it up. If you choose to buy a billboard and advertise whatever you want, okay.. you and the owner of the billboard have a deal, not my business. If you want to put your nativity scene in your yard, no one should object to that. If you want to try to indoctrinate children in an educational setting where they are supposed to be trusting in the integrity and good will of the educators who have a responsibility to the students and the community to not let their personal beliefs interfere with the passing on and expansion of knowledge and critical thinking capabilities.. yes, we have a problem.

    There is a time and place for you to practice your religion and it is NOT okay to try to push those beliefs into children, especially those children who may have a different set of beliefs in their culture, family or as individuals than you or your children, etc. If you want your children to learn religion in school, send them to a religious school. All that being said, I don't care what is on a child's valentine and if they want to pass along what they see as a message of hope to their fellow students on a day geared towards celebrating love, do it. That teacher's intentions are probably good, but there is little harm in the students talking to each other about their own beliefs.

    If a teacher hands that stuff out, fire them immediately. When a student does it, let them do it and maybe educate them (discretely) a little bit on the proper time(s) and place(s) for practicing their faith. The teacher is in a position of power and trust and needs to be able to separate the two or find a job as a preacher rather than an educator in a public system. We don't teach Islam as if it were true, we don't teach witchcraft, these things are self evident and hardly imaginary. The founders were quite clear about the separation of church and state and they are meant to protect each side from the other, not one direction in either one's favor.
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    04-10-2014 11:48 PM
  24. A895's Avatar
    Parents Claim School Banned Sons God-Themed Valentines Day Cards and Now Theyre Suing
    Here is a link to the most recent story I've heard. There are many others where religious persons, mostly Christians, are not allowed to practice their faith in public. There have been many stories about the words "under God" being removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. Nativity scenes have been removed from public squares. The 10 commandments have been removed from federal buildings. All done in the name of some imaginary separation of church and state that people insist is in the constitution. Atheists seem to be very frightened of people's belief in a higher power because they are fighting harder every day to remove any reference to it from the public view.
    There is also the fact that people don't want religion shoved down their throats all day. Least of all at a public school. "Under God" I can see being removed because this country has many people with different views and religions and making them say something so religious every day isn't right.

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    04-11-2014 01:05 AM
  25. palandri's Avatar
    Maybe some science will help, the next episode of COSMOS: A Spacetime Odyssey is on Sunday at 8pm CST COSMOS: A Spacetime Odyssey
    04-11-2014 10:32 AM
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