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  1. anon8126715's Avatar
    Conservatism, IMO is a veiled form of sanctioned racism, when it's practiced externally. I've caught myself a few times trying to practice it externally, when I hear some dope driving in my neighborhood blaring their car stereo, or when I see something that doesn't reconcile with my own code of conduct, I can be a little more judgmental at times. I've seen it on TV numerous times when kids make the news for being kids. You'll hear someone interviewed, "it's just kids being kids" when the person being interviewed can identify with the race of the kids. There's less tolerance when the kids performing the action are not of the same race as the majority in the area. Maybe one day we'll learn to hold the same judgment of people regardless of their skin color, gender, religion, or race. But until that happens, external conservatism will have a negative connotation IMO.
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    04-11-2014 06:36 AM
  2. Evilguppy's Avatar
    It's also a blatant excuse to control others and keep them under foot.
    Restricting women's access to birth control and abortion has nothing to do with protecting the unborn child, knowing fully that when it's born, said child will be denied food stamps, medical care and access to higher education. But it does punish the mother for daring to have a sex life. All under the guise for "conservatism". Conservatism, my foot. Thirst for control is more like it.
    04-11-2014 09:36 AM
  3. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Not just prescriptions, but all routine healthcare costs. If insurance were used only for the unplanned extraordinary incidents and normal office visits were out of pocket expenses, we would see premiums drastically decreased. We would see massive reductions in paperwork done in doctor's offices due to them not having to file every little thing with an insurance company. There would be less overhead at pharmacies for just the same reason. No more keeping track of what plan has what copay. No more wasted time on the phone finding out who is covered under what plan. This plan would increase the productivity and decrease costs which would in turn be passed along to patients. Since routine visits can be better planned for, the savings in premiums should be more than enough to cover the out of pocket expenses. This would have the added benefit of eliminating the debates over what insurance plans should cover. No more long drawn out talks about viagra and birth control. No more debates over gender reassignment. Just insurance being what it was meant to be.

    I do understand that healthcare costs will still be high for some. This is not an issue for insurance companies to deal with and could be addressed with subsidies just like we are doing with food stamps. While I abhor the thought of more government, we already have medicare and medicaid in place to help those that are struggling. There are massive amounts in the medicaid budget that could be saved just by better enforcement of rules that are already in place.
    Okay some of what you say sounds reasonable and makes sense on the surface, but you seem to have a misplaced sense of where the cost is. I don't think cutting routine doctors visits saves on cost. Yes there would be less paperwork for doctors, but if people had to pay full cost for things they would just skip doctors visits and prescriptions leading to higher cost in bad health later. So I see no cost savings here. For the doctors maybe, but there is no guarantee that savings would be passed on to patients. And the overall cost of healthcare would probably be the same financially but worse in terms of people's health. Additionally as you yourself pointed out, many people could not afford full price prescriptions, so you haven't eliminated copays, you've just shifted them around.

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    04-11-2014 09:57 AM
  4. Tall Mike 2145's Avatar
    Anyone who trusts in society, business, or government is a fool. Worse, a tool.

    I trust in individuals, period.
    04-11-2014 11:15 AM
  5. toober's Avatar
    Anyone who trusts in society, business, or government is a fool. Worse, a tool.

    I trust in individuals, period.
    And it's conservatives that are negative?

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    04-11-2014 11:29 AM
  6. msndrstood's Avatar
    And it's conservatives that are negative?

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    I think Tall Mike leans more Libertarian. He'll correct me if I'm wrong.

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    04-11-2014 01:45 PM
  7. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Anyone who trusts in society, business, or government is a fool. Worse, a tool.

    I trust in individuals, period.
    The interesting thing about that statement is that those things are composed of what exactly? That's right. Individuals.

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    04-11-2014 01:51 PM
  8. NoYankees44's Avatar
    I think Tall Mike leans more Libertarian. He'll correct me if I'm wrong.

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    An over simplified view is a Cartesian plane. The horizontal axis is liberal/conservative(left/right) and the vertical axis is libertarian/authoritarian(up/down). You can be libertarian and conservative or liberal and libertarian. The same with authoritarian or vise versa. This is over simplified and each pole could be considered it's own standalone ideology, but in a world where very few are absolutist, it can be a helpful visualization tool.
    04-11-2014 03:46 PM
  9. nolittdroid's Avatar
    I think access to science based education and a reality check is a great way to start.

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    04-12-2014 09:53 AM
  10. anon8126715's Avatar
    I think access to science based education and a reality check is a great way to start.

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    Conservatives don't believe in science.
    04-12-2014 10:51 PM
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