07-18-2014 04:07 PM
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  1. Aquila's Avatar
    I don't ask anyone to pay for my cholesterol meds from my obsession with bacon. I'll pay for my own chemo when I get cancer from 30+ years of smoking. I'll never ask anyone to pay a dime to cover the treatments for anything I decide to do.
    What do you do where you have a spare $350,000 a year in disposable income laying around? Or are you planning to go to another country for treatments?
    07-02-2014 07:21 PM
  2. anon8126715's Avatar
    None at all. Until you ask me to foot the bill for your recreational behaviors. I don't ask anyone to pay for my cholesterol meds from my obsession with bacon. I'll pay for my own chemo when I get cancer from 30+ years of smoking. I'll never ask anyone to pay a dime to cover the treatments for anything I decide to do. So please tell me why I or anyone else should pay for someone's recreational activities?
    I'm guessing then that you don't have healthcare insurance? If you do, then you're showing hypocrisy. Healthcare will in fact cover your cholesterol medications, which I guess Hobby Lobby could argue against since they don't believe in gluttony. Cancer, I guess Hobby Lobby can claim that if you were leading a pious and healthy lifestyle, that you wouldn't have contracted cancer and thus they can avoid paying your treatment.

    Your assertion that you shouldn't pay for someone else's recreation is still a farce for a myriad of other reasons. If you were really serious, then that would mean you couldn't drive around on federal roads for leisure, you couldn't go to a publicly owned park. You're either trolling or you haven't thought this all the way through. I'm guessing a little bit of both.
    07-02-2014 07:28 PM
  3. toober's Avatar
    What do you do where you have a spare $350,000 a year in disposable income laying around? Or are you planning to go to another country for treatments?
    I may have misrepresented myself with that statement. What I should have said was that I will rely on the insurance that I have provided for myself to pay for my healthcare if I should get cancer. That is, after all, what I pay them for.
    07-02-2014 07:30 PM
  4. Live2ride883's Avatar
    For those that "assume" ED meds such as Viagra have no other function.

    How Viagra can help to improve your health | Mail Online
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    07-02-2014 07:32 PM
  5. anon8126715's Avatar
    What do you do where you have a spare $350,000 a year in disposable income laying around? Or are you planning to go to another country for treatments?
    I think he just pulled a "Craig T Nelson".....


    07-02-2014 07:34 PM
  6. toober's Avatar
    Your assertion that you shouldn't pay for someone else's recreation is still a farce for a myriad of other reasons. If you were really serious, then that would mean you couldn't drive around on federal roads for leisure, you couldn't go to a publicly owned park. You're either trolling or you haven't thought this all the way through. I'm guessing a little bit of both.
    I am not trolling. I honestly can not understand how someone can say that it's none of my business what goes on in their bedroom and in the next breath tell me I must subsidize it. I don't care what you do or who you do it with until it affects me.
    07-02-2014 07:46 PM
  7. anon8126715's Avatar
    I am not trolling. I honestly can not understand how someone can say that it's none of my business what goes on in their bedroom and in the next breath tell me I must subsidize it. I don't care what you do or who you do it with until it affects me.
    It was already pointed out to you by someone else. You indicated that you don't expect anyone to pay for your cholesterol medications and your cancer treatment, yet you said that you have healthcare that you pay for, which in fact, someone else IS IN FACT PAYING FOR YOUR RECREATION. Do you actually think that you not being responsible by eating a lot of cholesterol and smoking is any different than someone who is having recreational sex? Wow....just wow....

    Employers use healthcare coverage as a method of compensation. They aren't just giving away free healthcare. It's part of an employee's benefits for working for the company.
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    07-02-2014 08:00 PM
  8. Aquila's Avatar
    I may have misrepresented myself with that statement. What I should have said was that I will rely on the insurance that I have provided for myself to pay for my healthcare if I should get cancer. That is, after all, what I pay them for.
    I could have misunderstood it too, not sure. Either way, chemo sucks. I hope you never need it.
    07-02-2014 08:27 PM
  9. Scott7217's Avatar
    For those that "assume" ED meds such as Viagra have no other function.

    How Viagra can help to improve your health | Mail Online
    That was a very thought-provoking article. Thanks for sharing! I did not know Viagra could help in treating:

    - Pulmonary arterial hypertension

    - Infertility in women

    - Congestive heart failure

    - Diabetes

    - Hypoxia at high altitudes

    - Sexual side effects after a hysterectomy or menopause

    - Stroke

    - Heart and lung problems in premature babies

    It's good to know that the drug is useful for more than just erectile dysfunction.
    07-02-2014 09:47 PM
  10. Scott7217's Avatar
    It also is absolutely despicable that a business peddling cheap arts&crafts thinks they're above the ACA.
    This actually makes it easy to go after Hobby Lobby. If people want to buy arts and crafts supplies, they can go somewhere else. Joann Fabric and Craft Stores, Michaels Arts and Crafts, AC Moore, and even Amazon are good alternatives. I'm sure there are a lot of local mom and pop stores that could also work.

    Without customers, Hobby Lobby won't last very long. They'll be out of business.
    07-02-2014 09:55 PM
  11. Scott7217's Avatar
    The only way to end it I guess is come November.
    I think we can agree that voting is an excellent solution. Make sure to grill the candidates specifically on the Hobby Lobby case. Don't let them weasel out of the question. Demand that they disclose their position on whether the Hobby Lobby decision was a good idea or not. After that, vote based on your conscience.
    07-02-2014 09:59 PM
  12. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I wonder why there wasn't an option for Hobby Lobby to not provide insurance and just give each employee $20,000 a raise more in income or whatever 180% of the median cost of healthcare expenses is for an average family and let them purchase whatever coverage the individual wants and eschew whatever coverage the individual does not want.
    I don't think the ACA allows for this. Once over a certain number of employees, a company is required to provide insurance policies. I know a person that used to do just that with his employees before selling off that business, and he's pretty in tune with this law. As in tune as one can be with this large of a legislation, anyway. I seem to recall him saying something about how the ACA would kill that option.
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    07-02-2014 10:06 PM
  13. Scott7217's Avatar
    When you consider ALL the coverage that they would have to provide to their employees, how convenient of them to have issue with this particular line of drugs.
    Hobby Lobby is fine with paying for 16 out of 20 contraceptives, so we can't say that they condemn the entire line. Here's what they cover FREE OF CHARGE:

    1. Male condoms

    2. Female condoms

    3. Diaphragms with spermicide

    4. Sponges with spermicide

    5. Cervical caps with spermicide

    6. Spermicide alone

    7. Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin (“Combined Pill)

    8. Birth-control pills with progestin alone (“The Mini Pill)

    9. Birth control pills (extended/continuous use)

    10. Contraceptive patches

    11. Contraceptive rings

    12. Progestin injections

    13. Implantable rods

    14. Vasectomies

    15. Female sterilization surgeries

    16. Female sterilization implants

    Source: The Blaze -- Is Hobby Lobby Really Banning Birth Control and Preventing Its Workers From ‘Being Able to Make Their Own Health Care Decisions’? (article link here)
    07-02-2014 10:19 PM
  14. Scott7217's Avatar
    What do you do where you have a spare $350,000 a year in disposable income laying around? Or are you planning to go to another country for treatments?
    Many drug companies are willing to provide financial aid for treatments as long as you have a valid prescription from a doctor. These assistance programs can even help if you have no insurance at all.
    07-02-2014 10:26 PM
  15. SteveISU's Avatar
    Hobby Lobby is fine with paying for 16 out of 20 contraceptives, so we can't say that they condemn the entire line. Here's what they cover FREE OF CHARGE:

    1. Male condoms

    2. Female condoms

    3. Diaphragms with spermicide

    4. Sponges with spermicide

    5. Cervical caps with spermicide

    6. Spermicide alone

    7. Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin (“Combined Pill)

    8. Birth-control pills with progestin alone (“The Mini Pill)

    9. Birth control pills (extended/continuous use)

    10. Contraceptive patches

    11. Contraceptive rings

    12. Progestin injections

    13. Implantable rods

    14. Vasectomies

    15. Female sterilization surgeries

    16. Female sterilization implants

    Source: The Blaze -- Is Hobby Lobby Really Banning Birth Control and Preventing Its Workers From ‘Being Able to Make Their Own Health Care Decisions’? (article link here)

    How exactly do they cover condoms free of charge?
    07-03-2014 10:59 AM
  16. GadgetGator's Avatar
    What actions of today allowed the expansion? Link? Or are we dealing with drugs and their generics in the same class of drugs they are allowed to exclude themselves from providing coverage for.
    And so it begins.. The court has ordered that other cases be revisited opening up that Pandora's box:

    http://m.motherjones.com/politics/20...-contraception

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    07-03-2014 03:16 PM
  17. pappy53's Avatar
    And so it begins.. The court has ordered that other cases be revisited opening up that Pandora's box:

    Supreme Court Broadens Hobby Lobby Ruling to All Forms of Birth Control | Mother Jones

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    I can't believe that people talk junk about Fox News, and then read Mother Jones (the most left-winged publication). Wow. That tells me that they also watch MSNBC( the biggest liars in TV "news").
    07-03-2014 05:24 PM
  18. GadgetGator's Avatar
    I can't believe that people talk junk about Fox News, and then read Mother Jones (the most left-winged publication). Wow. That tells me that they also watch MSNBC( the biggest liars in TV "news").
    Just because it's left wing does not make it wrong. Why would you think that? Even Fox is right about things sometime.

    And MSNBC is a very wonky station full of charts, facts and figures. What do you have?

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    07-04-2014 04:48 PM
  19. pappy53's Avatar
    Just because it's left wing does not make it wrong. Why would you think that? Even Fox is right about things sometime.

    And MSNBC is a very wonky station full of charts, facts and figures. What do you have?

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    You are correct about wonky, but facts? Not hardly. They are the network that alters clips and videos, leaving out important info, to make Republicans look bad. On top of that, they have "Rev." Al, the biggest race-baiter on tv. Then, there's Martin Bashir, who had to resign after making very crude remarks about Sarah Palin. And let's don't forget Ed Schultz, who stated on air that he wished that Richard Chaney would die. Great network, huh?
    Give Fox News credit, as they are who broke the news on the VA scandal.
    07-04-2014 05:33 PM
  20. A895's Avatar
    You are correct about wonky, but facts? Not hardly. They are the network that alters clips and videos, leaving out important info, to make Republicans look bad. On top of that, they have "Rev." Al, the biggest race-baiter on tv. Then, there's Martin Bashir, who had to resign after making very crude remarks about Sarah Palin. And let's don't forget Ed Schultz, who stated on air that he wished that Richard Chaney would die. Great network, huh?
    Give Fox News credit, as they are who broke the news on the VA scandal.
    They did one good thing, good for them!

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    07-04-2014 05:46 PM
  21. msndrstood's Avatar
    Hobby Lobby is fine with paying for 16 out of 20 contraceptives, so we can't say that they condemn the entire line. Here's what they cover FREE OF CHARGE:

    1. Male condoms

    2. Female condoms

    3. Diaphragms with spermicide

    4. Sponges with spermicide

    5. Cervical caps with spermicide

    6. Spermicide alone

    7. Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin (“Combined Pill)

    8. Birth-control pills with progestin alone (“The Mini Pill)

    9. Birth control pills (extended/continuous use)

    10. Contraceptive patches

    11. Contraceptive rings

    12. Progestin injections

    13. Implantable rods

    14. Vasectomies

    15. Female sterilization surgeries

    16. Female sterilization implants

    Source: The Blaze -- Is Hobby Lobby Really Banning Birth Control and Preventing Its Workers From ‘Being Able to Make Their Own Health Care Decisions’? (article link here)
    Since Hobby Lobby doesn't want to pay for Plan B 'morning after' pills...

    I would just take 4 regular Birth Control pills, and I am still in control.

    Never underestimate the power of a woman.

    Let's see a man do that with Viagra, lol. 😛

    http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/dose.html
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    07-04-2014 06:10 PM
  22. GadgetGator's Avatar
    You are correct about wonky, but facts? Not hardly. They are the network that alters clips and videos, leaving out important info, to make Republicans look bad. On top of that, they have "Rev." Al, the biggest race-baiter on tv. Then, there's Martin Bashir, who had to resign after making very crude remarks about Sarah Palin. And let's don't forget Ed Schultz, who stated on air that he wished that Richard Chaney would die. Great network, huh?
    Give Fox News credit, as they are who broke the news on the VA scandal.
    That's not true. CNN did. They have been working on the story for years.

    And please, you want to talk about Martin Bashir? Let's talk about all the outlandish things said by Fox personalities. Let's talk about how Ann Coulter even goes after soccer fans now.

    And before you make an accusation about video being altered, you DAMN well better have some proof.

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    07-04-2014 06:50 PM
  23. pappy53's Avatar
    That's not true. CNN did. They have been working on the story for years.

    And please, you want to talk about Martin Bashir? Let's talk about all the outlandish things said by Fox personalities. Let's talk about how Ann Coulter even goes after soccer fans now.

    And before you make an accusation about video being altered, you DAMN well better have some proof.

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    Martin Bashir is a POS. He got banned from TV in his own country.
    Fox BROKE the VA scandal.


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    07-04-2014 06:57 PM
  24. Aquila's Avatar
    My establishment news station is better than your establishment news station!!!

    XTNiT-1060 through spacetime. Android Central Moderator.
    07-04-2014 07:05 PM
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    07-04-2014 07:46 PM
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