07-18-2014 04:07 PM
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  1. SteveISU's Avatar
    but do you care to address the problem that the here in the US we pay more for less than the rest of the developed world?

    Simple fact is what we have does not work and really is robbing us blind.
    Other countries' governments negotiate with drug companies and have price controls. In the US it's the insurance companies. The US subsidizes healthcare for the rest of the world (that is a fact) and we're paying for it. On the flip side of that you have countries like the UK who have socialized medicine and rank lower than the Czech Republic as far as available life saving drugs for breast cancer. One would not call the UK a "Poor" nation.
    07-09-2014 12:38 PM
  2. pappy53's Avatar
    The ultimate solution is single payor. Win-win for all.
    Oh yeah, like Medicare and Medicaid. How's that working out?
    07-09-2014 03:50 PM
  3. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Oh yeah, like Medicare and Medicaid. How's that working out?
    Why don't you ask a parent or grandparent and find out? I venture to say they will tell you they prefer it to nothing at all. You tend not to hear seniors, even Republican ones, asking for their Medicare to be taken away.

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    07-09-2014 03:55 PM
  4. pappy53's Avatar
    Why don't you ask a parent or grandparent and find out? I venture to say they will tell you they prefer it to nothing at all. You tend not to hear seniors, even Republican ones, asking for their Medicare to be taken away.

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    I said nothing about taking it away. I am saying that it is a mess now, and I can't imagine what a mess it would be if everyone was on it.


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    07-09-2014 04:10 PM
  5. GadgetGator's Avatar
    I said nothing about taking it away. I am saying that it is a mess now, and I can't imagine what a mess it would be if everyone was on it.


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    How specifically do you think it's a mess?

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    07-09-2014 06:23 PM
  6. Scott7217's Avatar
    All they are asking is that they not be a party to (i.e. Be legally forced to pay for) treatment options the don't agree with.
    Hobby Lobby opposes Plan B emergency contraceptives, but it does pay for regular birth control pills. Women can achieve the same effect of Plan B by taking multiple doses of birth control pills. In this situation, is Hobby Lobby being party to something they are morally opposed to?
    07-09-2014 06:24 PM
  7. pappy53's Avatar
    How specifically do you think it's a mess?

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    Fraud and ridiculous overspending comes to mind.


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    07-09-2014 06:58 PM
  8. Scott7217's Avatar
    This decision says that religion trumps secular law.
    However, there are instances of secular law superseding religion.

    In Miller v. Commissioner (Docket No. 12310-98. 114 T.C. 511 (2000)), John and Faythe Miller refused to use social security numbers for their dependent children on their tax return because they believed such identifying numbers were the Mark of the Beast, as mentioned in Revelations in the Bible. The court ruled against the Millers.

    In Adams v. Commissioner (Docket Nos. 15535-96, 3437-97. 110 T.C. 137 (1998)), Priscilla Adams refused to pay all of her taxes because she believed the money would fund military activities, which would be against her pacifist Quaker beliefs. The court ruled against Adams.

    In United States v. Peister (631 F.2d. 658, 665 (10th Cir. 1980)), Stephen Peister claimed that he took a vow of poverty; therefore, paying income tax would be against his First Amendment right to freedom of religion. The court ruled against Peister.

    If you have a properly written law on the books, the government can go over religious objections. What we see in Hobby Lobby is a weakness in the underlying law, which allows Hobby Lobby to prevail.
    07-09-2014 07:09 PM
  9. Scott7217's Avatar
    Here's to hoping the right wing's little devious plan backfires on them.
    It would be interesting to see what would happen if the US government took over health care. What would happen if conservative Republicans won elections for the presidency and for Congress? Would we see additional restrictions placed on a government-run health care plan?
    07-09-2014 07:22 PM
  10. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Fraud and ridiculous overspending comes to mind.


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    What % of claims do you think are fraudulent?

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    07-09-2014 07:29 PM
  11. pappy53's Avatar
    What % of claims do you think are fraudulent?

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    10-15 %


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    07-09-2014 07:31 PM
  12. Scott7217's Avatar
    Simple fact is what we have does not work and really is robbing us blind.
    This is why there was such a strong push for the Affordable Care Act, even with the exemptions for contraception. Over time, we will see if that was a wise decision when compared to doing nothing.
    07-09-2014 08:12 PM
  13. anon8126715's Avatar
    Healthcare should be handed to the individual. Government and business should stay out of it. Let the employer hand the employee X dollars tax free to buy their own health insurance and if there's any money left over that isn't put into a health savings account, tax it at the normal income rate.
    Sure, because 401K programs are working soo well.... /sarcasm
    07-09-2014 09:02 PM
  14. GadgetGator's Avatar
    10-15 %
    So a 90% success rate is "a mess" to you?

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    07-09-2014 09:42 PM
  15. pappy53's Avatar
    So a 90% success rate is "a mess" to you?

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    It won't even be close to 90% if the whole country is enrolled in it.


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    07-09-2014 10:29 PM
  16. msndrstood's Avatar
    Oh yeah, like Medicare and Medicaid. How's that working out?
    Medicare works just fine for me. I don't see what your problem with it is.
    07-10-2014 09:12 AM
  17. pappy53's Avatar
    Medicare works just fine for me. I don't see what your problem with it is.
    I am glad for you. But just like any other government run program, there is a ridiculous amount of fraud involved. With the exception of Medicare and Medicaid, the government needs to completely stay out of insurance.


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    07-10-2014 09:18 AM
  18. msndrstood's Avatar
    I am glad for you. But just like any other government run program, there is a ridiculous amount of fraud involved. With the exception of Medicare and Medicaid, the government needs to completely stay out of insurance.


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    Your problem is with the government per se. In your eyes, there is nothing the government could ever do right. It doesn't matter if 90% of the population is happy with something that the government has a hand in, in your opinion it's still a failure. Therefore, it is useless to discuss the government in any way, shape or form with you. Is that about right?
    07-10-2014 09:26 AM
  19. pappy53's Avatar
    What government program is 90% of the population happy with?


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    07-10-2014 09:28 AM
  20. msndrstood's Avatar
    We were discussing Medicare in particular.
    07-10-2014 09:47 AM
  21. pappy53's Avatar
    We were discussing Medicare in particular.
    And you think that there is a 90% satisfaction rate?
    07-10-2014 09:50 AM
  22. msndrstood's Avatar
    And you think that there is a 90% satisfaction rate?
    Can you prove otherwise? Everyone I know or associate with that has Medicare is happy with it and doesn't want any changes. If you have different information, please show the class. 😏
    07-10-2014 10:34 AM
  23. Aquila's Avatar
    Thread is re-opened. In order to remain that way, we're going to have to remember the big message on the top of every page and avoid the trolling and try to stay productive and on topic. Checking out the PUPPAH section of the forum rules doesn't hurt either.
    07-11-2014 05:32 PM
  24. pappy53's Avatar
    Can you prove otherwise? Everyone I know or associate with that has Medicare is happy with it and doesn't want any changes. If you have different information, please show the class.
    Can you prove 90%, since you're the one that made that statement?


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    07-11-2014 06:17 PM
  25. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Here... Medicare beneficiaries report higher satisfaction compared to employer sponsored insurance.

    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publ...nrollees-needs

    And it looks like the Medicare fraud rate is indeed 8-10%

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-8-10-percent/

    That he said, she said thing was getting old.
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    07-11-2014 06:37 PM
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