07-18-2014 04:07 PM
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  1. anon8126715's Avatar
    Rights are set in place by the constitution, and laws have to respect those rights. Laws cannot create or remove rights. So when you talk rights, it's constitutionally based, even if you don't think it is.

    Now let's play hypotheticals. If you believe forcing another entity to pay for a certain drug is a right, then I can only assume you would either be consistent with your thinking and demand companies pay for other rights like guns, or you're being hypocritical and think it's ok to pick and choose which rights are to be obeyed. Which is it?
    This is a stretch even by your standards. So now we're paying for only the things we like/use? If that's the case, I hope you're paying a LOT MORE for using our federal highway system for your large tractor trailer. There's NO WAY I'm using the roads as excessively as you are. I'm probably using the roads about 1/100th as much as you are (not to mention your vehicle weighs several tons more which provides more stress on the roads than my mid-sized sedan). Thus, per your own admission, I am expecting a check in the mail from you to cover the amount of taxes I pay more than you for our national highway system....
    07-02-2014 02:14 PM
  2. Mooncatt's Avatar
    This is a stretch even by your standards. So now we're paying for only the things we like/use? If that's the case, I hope you're paying a LOT MORE for using our federal highway system for your large tractor trailer. There's NO WAY I'm using the roads as excessively as you are. I'm probably using the roads about 1/100th as much as you are (not to mention your vehicle weighs several tons more which provides more stress on the roads than my mid-sized sedan). Thus, per your own admission, I am expecting a check in the mail from you to cover the amount of taxes I pay more than you for our national highway system....
    You're darn skippy. Well, my company does (I don't own my own truck). If you knew all the taxes trucking companies paid in to the highway trust fund and other state usage fees, your jaw would drop. I'm not saying we own the roads, but we pay the majority of their costs.
    07-02-2014 02:18 PM
  3. nolittdroid's Avatar
    Specifically, which constitutional rights do you think are being affected? And once you explain that, can I also count on your support for employers to buy my guns for me, since those are also a constitutional right?
    I like how everyone reinforces the misogyny when they forget their precious constitution was written for white landowners.

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    07-02-2014 02:31 PM
  4. pappy53's Avatar
    hopefully we'll get enough people to vote out these groups that believe in teaching creationism in the classroom.......
    Nothing wrong with teaching it in the classrooms, as 83% of Americans are Christians. It is also taught in the Bible.
    07-02-2014 02:33 PM
  5. anon8126715's Avatar
    3. Your happiness or religious beliefs do not trump those of your employer. If they are in direct conflict, you should find another job before asking someone else to compromise their beliefs.
    haha wow..... The only belief that a company has is to make money. A company has NO CONSCIENCE or MORALS. I'm not so sure why that's such a difficult concept.
    07-02-2014 02:34 PM
  6. pappy53's Avatar
    I like how everyone reinforces the misogyny when they forget their precious constitution was written for white landowners.

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    Tell me how it only benefits whites.
    07-02-2014 02:35 PM
  7. Scott7217's Avatar
    I don't think, regardless of political affiliation or personal beliefs, Christianity shouldn't have some higher priority when it comes to the First Amendment.
    This is why people need to get involved, either through their representatives or through the court system. If a particular religion gets a higher priority, then people need to stand up and change the situation.
    07-02-2014 02:36 PM
  8. toober's Avatar
    Feel free to show me an instance where one corporation is serving jail. Do you have any baby pictures of GM or Exxon?
    I give you the legal definition that all courts must abide by and the best you can come up with is wanting baby pics? I need to vacation in your world. It seems peaceful and free of mind taxing thought.
    07-02-2014 02:36 PM
  9. pappy53's Avatar
    haha wow..... The only belief that a company has is to make money. A company has NO CONSCIENCE or MORALS. I'm not so sure why that's such a difficult concept.
    A company IS it's people. Why is that such a difficult concept?
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    07-02-2014 02:38 PM
  10. Scott7217's Avatar
    First rule of a business is to take care of your employees or else your company fails. Seeing to make sure that they are taken care of regardless of religious beliefs makes sense to me.
    A business that doesn't take care of its employees will eventually lose them to other businesses that will take care of the employees' needs. If Hobby Lobby loses enough employees, then it won't be able to continue operating and go out of business.
    07-02-2014 02:40 PM
  11. Scott7217's Avatar
    So married women who don't want to have children should just stop having sex with their husbands?
    This is one of many options. Abstinence does have the benefit of being very effective in preventing pregnancy.
    07-02-2014 02:44 PM
  12. nolittdroid's Avatar
    As usual, I'm disgusted. I would like you remind you to educate yourselves on the benefits of birth control. The internet would be a good place to start, considering we are on a technology forum.

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    07-02-2014 02:47 PM
  13. nolittdroid's Avatar
    Nothing wrong with teaching it in the classrooms, as 83% of Americans are Christians. It is also taught in the Bible.
    Please stop using the bible as a reference of fact. Honestly, its insulting.

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    07-02-2014 02:49 PM
  14. Scott7217's Avatar
    And to be clear, there are loads of women who take birth control pills to regulate hormones, to help regulate the way their reproductive cycles operate in general. It's not just about recreational sex.
    This is true, and I'm glad you brought it up. If the patient needs hormone therapy (as opposed to contraception), then I feel that the drugs should be covered. I believe there were 16 drugs that Hobby Lobby was willing to pay for, so those should be able to handle the requirements for hormone therapy.
    07-02-2014 02:49 PM
  15. Scott7217's Avatar
    hobby Lobby has no problem covering Viagra, which IS purely recreational.
    So, if Hobby Lobby dropped coverage for Viagra, would that help solve the issue? I have no problem with that.
    07-02-2014 02:52 PM
  16. anon8126715's Avatar
    How many people still use tobacco knowing exactly what it does to you? Every one of them is hoping to be that rare guy who made it to 85 smoking 2 packs of Pall Mall non-filter.
    I'm willing to bet that Europeans smoke more than U.S. citizens.
    07-02-2014 02:54 PM
  17. nolittdroid's Avatar
    This is one of many options. Abstinence does have the benefit of being very effective in preventing pregnancy.
    I thought a good Christian woman was supposed to submit to her husband? And the Catholics don't believe in birth control, because it prevents procreation...which is it? Abstinence or procreation? You guys should get together and get on the same page because your message doesn't come across as sincere as you think it does.

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    07-02-2014 02:54 PM
  18. anon8126715's Avatar
    Nothing wrong with teaching it in the classrooms, as 83% of Americans are Christians. It is also taught in the Bible.
    you mean 83% IDENTIFY themselves as Christian, and out of that 83% I'm willing to bet that a MUCH LOWER percentage are actually practicing Christians, and an even LOWER percentage of those people ACTUALLY try to hold to Christian Values in their personal lives.
    07-02-2014 02:57 PM
  19. Scott7217's Avatar
    Let's pretend for a minute that Hobby Lobby doesn't buy the vast majority of its base goods from China, a country that, by all accounts, has a colorful history of forced abortion and female infanticide.
    This is another good point. I would also add that if Hobby Lobby buys goods from China, it is financially supporting a country that persecutes Christians.

    Too bad the government didn't press its case using this evidence. It would have challenged Hobby Lobby's sincerity in its religious beliefs, which is a key foundation to the ruling. I think the government could have overturned the decision.
    07-02-2014 02:57 PM
  20. anon8126715's Avatar
    I give you the legal definition that all courts must abide by and the best you can come up with is wanting baby pics? I need to vacation in your world. It seems peaceful and free of mind taxing thought.
    Says the guy that thinks some forms of birth control are for recreational use.... "Yeah I spend about 2 hours at the recreation center, and in between my Pilates and my Yoga class, I pop a couple of birth control pills...." You must be real popular with the ladies.....
    07-02-2014 03:02 PM
  21. Scott7217's Avatar
    We expect that corporations will follow the laws in place to govern corporations, regardless of the principals' religious affiliation because CORPORATIONS AREN'T PEOPLE.
    To be clear, individuals have freedom of religion. Corporations are made up of individuals. Should individuals lose their right to freedom of religion just because they form a group?
    07-02-2014 03:03 PM
  22. pappy53's Avatar
    Please stop using the bible as a reference of fact. Honestly, its insulting.

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    So, people on here can put down creationism and the Bible, but I can't defend it? It looks like 83% of citizens believe it as fact.


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    07-02-2014 03:04 PM
  23. anon8126715's Avatar
    As usual, I'm disgusted. I would like you remind you to educate yourselves on the benefits of birth control. The internet would be a good place to start, considering we are on a technology forum.

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    It reminds me of when Congress brought in a bunch of MEN to do the talking for WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH. What's sad is that they saw nothing wrong with it.

    Hobby Lobby case...-issas-all-men-hearing-womens-birth-control-2.23.12.png
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    07-02-2014 03:06 PM
  24. Scott7217's Avatar
    Let's say pills and the shot make me extremely depressed and my husband is allergic to latex - now what?
    You can choose nitrile, polyisoprene, or polyurethane condoms. Those are perfectly good options. Lambskin condoms are another option, but they do not protect against sexually transmitted diseases.
    07-02-2014 03:11 PM
  25. Scott7217's Avatar
    So, the entire lawsuit was fueled by their "belief" that these birth control methods are abortive. Believing something doesn't make it true.
    Again, this is another point the government could have used in its challenge to Hobby Lobby. I think this would have helped overturn the decision. If Hobby Lobby does not want to fund abortion drugs, and the drugs in question do not cause abortions, I think Hobby Lobby loses its case.
    07-02-2014 03:17 PM
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