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  1. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Wouldn't that just make people angry at the Republicans? I would think then we would have a whole bunch of people voting for the Democrats during the 2016 presidential election.
    Yeah, well Republicans have never been accused of being the most forward looking people. They always overstep their bounds and then there is a rubber band backlash. Actually both parties do, but Republicans do it more. They get giddy like a kid on Christmas morning and just can't help trying to take their new found power for one too many test drives.

    Anyone expecting cooperation or something different from them this time around should pay attention to the banner behind them during TODAY'S press conference.

    RNC / NRCC / NRSC Joint Press Conference on the 2…:

    That's how they want to start things. Already.
    11-05-2014 08:51 PM
  2. anon8126715's Avatar
    Probably nothing other than getting all the people who stayed home to actually come out and vote. I honestly don't get that phenomena. If people can drag their butts out every four years, why can't they every two? Is it THAT much of a burden? I swear the people in this country are both stupid AND lazy. It's not that time consuming to vote. Doing taxes takes more time and that has to be done every year!

    So now all those young people who stayed home will spend the next two years complaining about the cost of their student loans and their low wages. In fact they will spend more time complaining than an hour of voting would have taken them. They had a chance to change those things and took no action. Not very bright.

    Voting only every four years is like sending an army into battle and then not resupply them and somehow expect that to succeed. Shortsighted to say the least.

    It should be noted that the flip in congress was to be expected as that has happened with every two term president's midterms in our lifetime. Just how things work. I guess people are always unhappy with their presidents by the time year six rolls around no matter who they are or what party. Americans are a fickle bunch. It's a wonder we get anything done at all with such attitudes.

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    I'd have to disagree. Many Democrats that ran were running away from the President and many core Democratic values. The woman that refused to answer whether or not she voted for Obama was pretty typical of the Democrats this year (and most years). They were just outright spineless. If asked if I voted for Obama, I would've flat out said "Yes I voted for him as much as I voted against Mitt Romney and his 'Corporations are people' Mantra.

    The other messages I didn't see were the government shutdown, how the GOP didn't want to extend unemployment benefits, how they didn't want to lower student loan rates, how they were against the fair pay act for women, or how they were against raising the minimum wage. I didn't hear anything about the GOP wanting to cut social security taxes and keep the Bush tax cuts. When you consider how many people don't benefit from GOP policies vs how many that do, I put this squarely on the cowardly and inept Democratic party.

    The other issues I heard about were voter disenfranchisement because of the new voter ID laws. Also, many working class citizens can't exactly take time off from work or are penalized for it. I think many democratic countries have laws in the books that recognize election day and force employers to give their employees time off to vote. I doubt the U.S. will ever have such a law as there's one party in particular that's dead set against the working class.
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    11-05-2014 08:58 PM
  3. anon8126715's Avatar
    Should ACA supporters be worried? If Obama uses his veto, everything should be fine, right?
    I've heard a lot of people are pleased with their "Obamacare" so I can't help wonder how many voters the GOP will alienate if they try to dismantle Obamacare for the what 200th time?
    11-05-2014 09:03 PM
  4. NoYankees44's Avatar
    I've heard a lot of people are pleased with their "Obamacare" so I can't help wonder how many voters the GOP will alienate if they try to dismantle Obamacare for the what 200th time?
    While I don't think beating that dead horse is a good idea, the ACA is definitely not the most popular bill in the world. If that is the stupidest they they do this term, the Reps will be fine.

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    11-05-2014 09:15 PM
  5. anon8126715's Avatar
    While I don't think beating that dead horse is a good idea, the ACA is definitely not the most popular bill in the world. If that is the stupidest they they do this term, the Reps will be fine.

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    I will admit, it's also a tax on the working class as well since there wasn't a single payer option. The GOP forcing the Democrats to go away from a single-payer option is probably something that really hurt the Democrats as well, and then there's the "If you like your doctor" quote, which the GOP really pounded into the voters' heads.

    One of the reasons I wish we had a viable 3rd party is because the GOP doesn't legislate in my best interests in any way shape or form, and the Democrats are just too inept and too spineless to govern effectively. To me it's like asking me who would make a better babysitter for my children, Jeffrey Dahmer after a 1 week fast, or Edward Scissor-Hands on cocaine.
    11-05-2014 09:42 PM
  6. Scott7217's Avatar
    It should be noted that the flip in congress was to be expected as that has happened with every two term president's midterms in our lifetime. Just how things work. I guess people are always unhappy with their presidents by the time year six rolls around no matter who they are or what party. Americans are a fickle bunch. It's a wonder we get anything done at all with such attitudes.
    Just to add to what you said, Americans like to switch parties every 2 terms for president:

    2 terms of Bill Clinton (Democrat)
    2 terms of George W. Bush (Republican)
    2 terms of Barack Obama (Democrat)

    It makes me wonder if we're going to get a Republican president next.
    11-05-2014 09:45 PM
  7. anon8126715's Avatar
    Just to add to what you said, Americans like to switch parties every 2 terms for president:

    2 terms of Bill Clinton (Democrat)
    2 terms of George W. Bush (Republican)
    2 terms of Barack Obama (Democrat)

    It makes me wonder if we're going to get a Republican president next.
    I can't imagine who the GOP would get to run in 2016 that would unseat Hillary Clinton as much as I wouldn't mind a no Bush/Clinton 2016 election.
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    11-05-2014 09:56 PM
  8. Scott7217's Avatar
    I can't imagine who the GOP would get to run in 2016 that would unseat Hillary Clinton as much as I wouldn't mind a no Bush/Clinton 2016 election.
    True, Hillary Clinton has a shot at winning the presidency. I wonder if that would balance out what we had when Reagan was around.

    2 terms of Ronald Reagan (Republican)
    1 term of George H. W. Bush (Republican)
    2 terms of Bill Clinton (Democrat)
    2 terms of George W. Bush (Republican)
    2 terms of Barack Obama (Democrat)
    Potentially 1 or 2 terms of Hillary Clinton (Democrat)

    It's been a while since we had 3 consecutive terms of presidents from a single party.
    11-05-2014 10:18 PM
  9. anon8126715's Avatar
    True, Hillary Clinton has a shot at winning the presidency. I wonder if that would balance out what we had when Reagan was around.

    2 terms of Ronald Reagan (Republican)
    1 term of George H. W. Bush (Republican)
    2 terms of Bill Clinton (Democrat)
    2 terms of George W. Bush (Republican)
    2 terms of Barack Obama (Democrat)
    Potentially 1 or 2 terms of Hillary Clinton (Democrat)

    It's been a while since we had 3 consecutive terms of presidents from a single party.
    Do you think Bush I would've had a 2nd term if not for the infamous, "Read my lips" quote?
    11-05-2014 10:21 PM
  10. Scott7217's Avatar
    Do you think Bush I would've had a 2nd term if not for the infamous, "Read my lips" quote?
    It might not have made much difference. People liked Bill Clinton a lot.
    11-05-2014 10:34 PM
  11. GadgetGator's Avatar
    I'd have to disagree. Many Democrats that ran were running away from the President and many core Democratic values. The woman that refused to answer whether or not she voted for Obama was pretty typical of the Democrats this year (and most years). They were just outright spineless. If asked if I voted for Obama, I would've flat out said "Yes I voted for him as much as I voted against Mitt Romney and his 'Corporations are people' Mantra.

    The other messages I didn't see were the government shutdown, how the GOP didn't want to extend unemployment benefits, how they didn't want to lower student loan rates, how they were against the fair pay act for women, or how they were against raising the minimum wage. I didn't hear anything about the GOP wanting to cut social security taxes and keep the Bush tax cuts. When you consider how many people don't benefit from GOP policies vs how many that do, I put this squarely on the cowardly and inept Democratic party.

    The other issues I heard about were voter disenfranchisement because of the new voter ID laws. Also, many working class citizens can't exactly take time off from work or are penalized for it. I think many democratic countries have laws in the books that recognize election day and force employers to give their employees time off to vote. I doubt the U.S. will ever have such a law as there's one party in particular that's dead set against the working class.
    I agree with all those things but I don't care how inept the message is, anyone intelligent should understand that sitting home = a vote for the other party. Republicans seem to understand this and come out no matter what. Dems are living up to that abbreviation and being dims here. While messaging needs to be better, the voters need to be better too.

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    11-06-2014 12:52 AM
  12. GadgetGator's Avatar
    I can't imagine who the GOP would get to run in 2016 that would unseat Hillary Clinton as much as I wouldn't mind a no Bush/Clinton 2016 election.
    I actually don't think Hillary is that great. I used to think she could steamroll over everyone, but after seeing her make mistake after mistake on the campaign trail....er I mean book tour not to mention being saddled with some baggage, I just don't think she is the best choice. I think a populist like Elizabeth Warren could really speak to people and do well.

    On the Republican side, I actually think Jeb Bush, despite the name, actually has a shot to be the nominee. Could he win the whole thing? Maybe. I know that Rand Paul, Chris Christie, Rick Perry, and most of whatever else they trot out couldn't.

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    11-06-2014 01:16 AM
  13. palandri's Avatar
    The Senator who said this on MSNBC last year is who the Democrats need to run in 2016:

    The real issue here, if you look at the Koch Brothers' agenda, is: look at what many of the extreme right-wing people believe. Obamacare is just the tip of the iceberg. These people want to abolish the concept of the minimum wage, they want to privatize the Veteran's Administration, they want to privatize Social Security, end Medicare as we know it, massive cuts in Medicaid, wipe out the EPA, you don't have an Environmental Protection Agency anymore, Department of Energy gone, Department of Education gone. That is the agenda. And many people don't understand that the Koch Brothers have poured hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars into the Tea Party and to other kinds of ancillary organizations to push this agenda.
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    11-06-2014 06:40 AM
  14. NoYankees44's Avatar
    The Senator who said this on MSNBC last year is who the Democrats need to run in 2016:
    This is a better quote than I have seen out of Hillary I guess...

    No knew is going to abolish the protection agencies. These quotes are the same as the people saying that the Democrats are going change us over to socialism and communism or pull the plug on grandma. These types of changes will never foreseeably happen. It is fear mongering. It is the same type of talk that fueled the creation of the Tea Party. When you talk in extremes, you get desperate people willing to go out and work for you for free.

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    11-06-2014 08:57 AM
  15. SteveISU's Avatar
    John Kasich is someone who has the potential and he could likely hand Ohio to the Republicans with the way he's turned that state around and how big his winning margins have been.
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    11-06-2014 09:09 AM
  16. palandri's Avatar
    This is a better quote than I have seen out of Hillary I guess...

    No knew is going to abolish the protection agencies. These quotes are the same as the people saying that the Democrats are going change us over to socialism and communism or pull the plug on grandma. These types of changes will never foreseeably happen. It is fear mongering. It is the same type of talk that fueled the creation of the Tea Party. When you talk in extremes, you get desperate people willing to go out and work for you for free.

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    He's a pretty popular Senator. The people in Vermont seem to like him. Public Policy Polling gives him high marks

    Americans Love Socialism: Bernie Sanders Is The 3rd Most Popular US Senator
    11-06-2014 01:22 PM
  17. anon8126715's Avatar
    I agree with all those things but I don't care how inept the message is, anyone intelligent should understand that sitting home = a vote for the other party. Republicans seem to understand this and come out no matter what. Dems are living up to that abbreviation and being dims here. While messaging needs to be better, the voters need to be better too.

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    I have to be honest, I almost didn't bother to vote, mostly because the Democrats are too spineless to push agenda. They're too quick to bend to the will of the right despite the fact that they won in 2008 and in 2012. What strikes me most is how every Democratic candidate wants to run away from the fight. Attack the GOP on their ideas, challenge a discussion. But the Democrats would rather be reactive than proactive when it comes to the debate. As I stated before, I wish we had a REAL progressive party as an alternative to the GOP, not just "Not the GOP".


    I actually don't think Hillary is that great. I used to think she could steamroll over everyone, but after seeing her make mistake after mistake on the campaign trail....er I mean book tour not to mention being saddled with some baggage, I just don't think she is the best choice. I think a populist like Elizabeth Warren could really speak to people and do well.

    On the Republican side, I actually think Jeb Bush, despite the name, actually has a shot to be the nominee. Could he win the whole thing? Maybe. I know that Rand Paul, Chris Christie, Rick Perry, and most of whatever else they trot out couldn't.

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    Elizabeth Warren would also be my first choice. I think Hillary still has the special interests pushing for her and what this country needs is someone that's not in bed with the special interests, although I wouldn't mind seeing Hillary in office trying to flip the script and try to get an intern to stick a cigar in his......

    He's a pretty popular Senator. The people in Vermont seem to like him. Public Policy Polling gives him high marks

    Americans Love Socialism: Bernie Sanders Is The 3rd Most Popular US Senator
    He has some good ideas and doesn't seem to want to enact policy that is only good for the special interests. I'd vote for a Warren/Sanders or Sanders/Warren ticket.
    11-06-2014 06:13 PM
  18. GadgetGator's Avatar
    I have to be honest, I almost didn't bother to vote, mostly because the Democrats are too spineless to push agenda. They're too quick to bend to the will of the right despite the fact that they won in 2008 and in 2012. What strikes me most is how every Democratic candidate wants to run away from the fight. Attack the GOP on their ideas, challenge a discussion. But the Democrats would rather be reactive than proactive when it comes to the debate. As I stated before, I wish we had a REAL progressive party as an alternative to the GOP, not just "Not the GOP".





    Elizabeth Warren would also be my first choice. I think Hillary still has the special interests pushing for her and what this country needs is someone that's not in bed with the special interests, although I wouldn't mind seeing Hillary in office trying to flip the script and try to get an intern to stick a cigar in his......



    He has some good ideas and doesn't seem to want to enact policy that is only good for the special interests. I'd vote for a Warren/Sanders or Sanders/Warren ticket.
    I think the running away thing is over. At least until people forget. It's been demonstrated not to work.

    As for not voting because Dems are being pulled to the right, well, that doesn't make sense because then the ACTUAL right wins. Which is worse? Also this fails to take into account that Dems pull the right left too. They can't escape talking about the good things of the ACA. They can't escape conversations about minimum wage increases. They don't even talk much about banning same sex marriages anymore because the left has won the conversation on that issue too for the most part.

    So don't discount the efforts of the left and their effect on the right. It's definitely there which is why you and everyone else should keep voting! Never ever give up the Constitutional right that others would love to have in many parts of the world who have no voice at all.

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    11-06-2014 09:00 PM
  19. anon8126715's Avatar
    I think the running away thing is over. At least until people forget. It's been demonstrated not to work.

    As for not voting because Dems are being pulled to the right, well, that doesn't make sense because then the ACTUAL right wins. Which is worse? Also this fails to take into account that Dems pull the right left too. They can't escape talking about the good things of the ACA. They can't escape conversations about minimum wage increases. They don't even talk much about banning same sex marriages anymore because the left has won the conversation on that issue too for the most part.

    So don't discount the efforts of the left and their effect on the right. It's definitely there which is why you and everyone else should keep voting! Never ever give up the Constitutional right that others would love to have in many parts of the world who have no voice at all.

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    I considered it not for the sake of giving up my vote, but to show my displeasure of the Democrats' strategy and their cowardice. I can't believe how much running they did from Obama and while some of his policies weren't that good, I would've flat out said, "We can't push policy we believe is right for the middle class and this country because the GOP oppose our policy. This is our plan for improving things and we won't be able to implement these plans without your vote." It's as if the Democrats wouldn't talk about improving the middle class because their financial backers didn't want that message out there. If you don't want to get your message out for fear of upsetting your financial backers then it lets me know who you're true to, money.
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    11-06-2014 09:48 PM
  20. GadgetGator's Avatar
    I considered it not for the sake of giving up my vote, but to show my displeasure of the Democrats' strategy and their cowardice. I can't believe how much running they did from Obama and while some of his policies weren't that good, I would've flat out said, "We can't push policy we believe is right for the middle class and this country because the GOP oppose our policy. This is our plan for improving things and we won't be able to implement these plans without your vote." It's as if the Democrats wouldn't talk about improving the middle class because their financial backers didn't want that message out there. If you don't want to get your message out for fear of upsetting your financial backers then it lets me know who you're true to, money.
    But it doesn't "show" anyone anything. It only hurts your own self interest. And we all have to live with the consequences. This could affect everything from state laws with GOP governors, to supreme court nominees and their subsequent decisions. How does letting the entrenchment of right wing policies get a left wing person where they want to go? Makes no sense.

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    11-07-2014 07:34 AM
  21. palandri's Avatar
    But it doesn't "show" anyone anything. It only hurts your own self interest. And we all have to live with the consequences. This could affect everything from state laws with GOP governors, to supreme court nominees and their subsequent decisions. How does letting the entrenchment of right wing policies get a left wing person where they want to go? Makes no sense.

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    He only said he considered it, and he's right that there are Democrats that are spineless. The Democrats need more people like Alan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich...etc.. who aren't spineless.

    You're correct when you said, "But it doesn't "show" anyone anything. It only hurts your own self interest. And we all have to live with the consequences....".

    I think we would be better off voting for a platform, rather than a face or a person's religious background.
    11-07-2014 09:00 AM
  22. anon8126715's Avatar
    But it doesn't "show" anyone anything. It only hurts your own self interest. And we all have to live with the consequences. This could affect everything from state laws with GOP governors, to supreme court nominees and their subsequent decisions. How does letting the entrenchment of right wing policies get a left wing person where they want to go? Makes no sense.

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    Because if the Democrats are too cowardly to stand up for their ideals and just want to gloss over policy and claim deniability for their own political sake then they don't deserve to be in office. I understand that it may mean that GOP candidates are swept into office, but I don't want to just give someone my vote because they aren't "that other guy". That's probably the biggest issue with the Democrats, they have no organized platform right now. If you look at some of the Democrats that ran, they were all like, "I'm a gun nut like you, I don't really care for Obamacare either, Yes I think he may be from Kenya". Where's the spine in trying to be "republican lite"?
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    11-07-2014 06:47 PM
  23. anon8126715's Avatar
    He only said he considered it, and he's right that there are Democrats that are spineless. The Democrats need more people like Alan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich...etc.. who aren't spineless.

    You're correct when you said, "But it doesn't "show" anyone anything. It only hurts your own self interest. And we all have to live with the consequences....".

    I think we would be better off voting for a platform, rather than a face or a person's religious background.
    To add to it, I don't want to seem like some partisan hack like a colleague of mine that came in and bragged about how he clicked on the "Straight ticket GOP" button. Do I put every candidate under a microscope? No, but does the Democratic party need to get their message organized if they want people to vote for them? Not just yes, but HELL YES!
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    11-07-2014 06:51 PM
  24. Timelessblur's Avatar
    Let just cut it off here for most of the country the general election is a dog and pony show and the vote is worthless. Unless your state/district is competitive between parties the election was decided in the primaries where only one party gets to vote.
    The candidate in the general does not give a rats *** about the views of the minority party in the district as well they have zero say in them getting elected as the general election is a dog and pony show.

    We need a change in the system and make the general election matter again. It would reduce the extremes getting into Congress because in those single party areas (aka most of the country) they know that winning the primary is all that matters and the more hard core people of each party is who only vote cutting out the moderates completely and the other side. Go to the general well the more extreme guy wins who cares nothing about the views of the minority party in his district.
    We need to make the general matter access the country.
    11-08-2014 10:10 AM
  25. GadgetGator's Avatar
    If you look at some of the Democrats that ran, they were all like, "I'm a gun nut like you, I don't really care for Obamacare either, Yes I think he may be from Kenya". Where's the spine in trying to be "republican lite"?
    Because those people were running in RED STATES where guns are popular and the gun lobby is powerful. So they show they like guns too else the attack ads will read that candidate D is out to get your guns!

    I do agree with you on the other points. But not the gun one.

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    11-08-2014 05:46 PM
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