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  1. NoYankees44's Avatar
    So we have to take responsibility for poor judgment on an officers side? We have only one guy who had a gun and he's dead. Until cops take responsibility for what they have done and are doing it will continue to be the way it is. And there was BIG social media campaigns, and a lot of peaceful protests.

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    Then by all means, keep condoning violence and approaching the issue with an "us vs them". Let me know when things change...

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    12-26-2014 03:22 PM
  2. A895's Avatar
    Then by all means, keep condoning violence and approaching the issue with an "us vs them". Let me know when things change...

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    Who is condoning violence? Have you not noticed cops are taking cops side and adamantly disregarding what cops are also responsible for? They are the ones who crated the divide.

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    12-26-2014 03:28 PM
  3. NoYankees44's Avatar
    Who is condoning violence? Have you not noticed cops are taking cops side and adamantly disregarding what cops are also responsible for? They are the ones who crated the divide.

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    All cops are paranoid for mostly good reasons. They deal with the worst our society has to offer and risk their lives every day. They are paid to make decisions that I hope I never have to make. One slip up and they loose their lives or get stuffed in jail. The cop's that patrol communities with hi crime rates have it even worse.

    This is not an excuse or apology for them, but rather an explanation for how they are trained. One second is all they have to decide is lethal for is warranted. Make the wrong choice and they are dead. They don't choose as much as they react. They do not want to go to jail for borderline situations when they know that in the heat of the moment it is very easy to misinterpret the situation. Nothing will ever change this aspect of their job.

    To be frank, I don't see either side taking responsibility. I see minorities blindly defending minorities regardless of the facts, and I see cops blindly defending cops. There are far too few exceptions. The cop's have had the unfortunate advantage of the facts being on their side for the most part in the recent cases. The circumstances and actions questionable, but we don't sent people to prison for questionable.

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    12-26-2014 03:46 PM
  4. A895's Avatar
    All cops are paranoid for mostly good reasons. They deal with the worst our society has to offer and risk their lives every day. They are paid to make decisions that I hope I never have to make. One slip up and they loose their lives or get stuffed in jail. The cop's that patrol communities with hi crime rates have it even worse.

    This is not an excuse or apology for them, but rather an explanation for how they are trained. One second is all they have to decide is lethal for is warranted. Make the wrong choice and they are dead. They don't choose as much as they react. They do not want to go to jail for borderline situations when they know that in the heat of the moment it is very easy to misinterpret the situation. Nothing will ever change this aspect of their job.

    To be frank, I don't see either side taking responsibility. I see minorities blindly defending minorities regardless of the facts, and I see cops blindly defending cops. There are far too few exceptions. The cop's have had the unfortunate advantage of the facts being on their side for the most part in the recent cases. The circumstances and actions questionable, but we don't sent people to prison for questionable.

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    So choking a man to death on camera is questionable? What about pulling up and shooting a 12 yo within 2 seconds of stopping? There are couple times where the cop was clearly in the wrong and was exonerated. Unacceptable.

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    12-26-2014 04:55 PM
  5. NoYankees44's Avatar
    So choking a man to death on camera is questionable? What about pulling up and shooting a 12 yo within 2 seconds of stopping? There are couple times where the cop was clearly in the wrong and was exonerated. Unacceptable.

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    The choked man was the worst of all the recent situations by far. Those cops definitely reacted poorly.

    The 12yr old was a complete tragedy. I definitely think that the cop's should have reacted differently. However I am not sure whether or not they should go to jail. They had no idea if it was a real gun or not.

    This changes nothing, but where we're the 12yr old's parents? Why was he playing with an airsoft gun with the orange(which legally makes it a weapon) tip off of it unsupervised in the park?

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    12-26-2014 05:29 PM
  6. A895's Avatar
    The choked man was the worst of all the recent situations by far. Those cops definitely reacted poorly.

    The 12yr old was a complete tragedy. I definitely think that the cop's should have reacted differently. However I am not sure whether or not they should go to jail. They had no idea if it was a real gun or not.

    This changes nothing, but where we're the 12yr old's parents? Why was he playing with an airsoft gun with the orange(which legally makes it a weapon) tip off of it unsupervised in the park?

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    It is a 12 year old. It looked clearly like a kid and someone had the gall to say he was 20. That situation makes more angry than the others. What kid doesn't go to the park by themselves at that age? The only issue I have is that people though he had a real gun. It was kid clearly playing the park. What excuse is there for a cop to shoot a kid that quick?

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    12-26-2014 06:05 PM
  7. NoYankees44's Avatar
    It is a 12 year old. It looked clearly like a kid and someone had the gall to say he was 20. That situation makes more angry than the others. What kid doesn't go to the park by themselves at that age? The only issue I have is that people though he had a real gun. It was kid clearly playing the park. What excuse is there for a cop to shoot a kid that quick?

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    Airsoft guns look exactly like real guns. It is impossible to tell the difference from more than 5ft away. The story I read said he raised it when the police yelled to drop it. I could not really tell from the video I remember seeing. They definitely acted quickly. The question is what that poor judgment in the heat of the moment warrants for punishment.

    I don't know where this park was in relation to his home,but I would not let my kids go farther than across the street without me near by. I would never let my kids play with an airsoft gun off of my property. They can still be mildly dangerous. I do not know know of any public park that allows any type of air gun at all. I would NEVER allow my children to own one without the orange tip on it. It is a legal weapon at that point. The fact that the kid had it is a failure on his parent's part.

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    12-26-2014 06:14 PM
  8. GadgetGator's Avatar
    The choked man was the worst of all the recent situations by far. Those cops definitely reacted poorly.

    The 12yr old was a complete tragedy. I definitely think that the cop's should have reacted differently. However I am not sure whether or not they should go to jail. They had no idea if it was a real gun or not.

    This changes nothing, but where we're the 12yr old's parents? Why was he playing with an airsoft gun with the orange(which legally makes it a weapon) tip off of it unsupervised in the park?

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    No parent knows what their 12 year old is up too 100% of the time.

    If not the cop that shot yet him, then someone who hired him should be in jail because there were other problems with this officer, they hired him anyway and put him out and kept him out on the street. It was negligent.

    The choking incident is another one where someone needs to go to jail.

    The incident where the cop shot a guy in a gas station while he was complying with the officers orders is another one that needs prosecution.

    And yet another is the Walmart shooting.

    And still yet another..the guy tasered right in front of his kids and he wasn't even the one driving. Why is an officer hassling a passenger who wasn't the one who broke a traffic law? Why break the glass and taser the guy? I'm pretty sure the cop wouldn't have tasered a 90 year old white grandma sitting in that same seat. But if it's a black man, oh that changes everything!

    Plus, all those incidents were in the last six months! This uneven treatment has got to stop.

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    12-26-2014 06:20 PM
  9. A895's Avatar
    Airsoft guns look exactly like real guns. It is impossible to tell the difference from more than 5ft away. The story I read said he raised it when the police yelled to drop it. I could not really tell from the video I remember seeing. They definitely acted quickly. The question is what that poor judgment in the heat of the moment warrants for punishment.

    I don't know where this park was in relation to his home,but I would not let my kids go farther than across the street without me near by. I would never let my kids play with an airsoft gun off of my property. They can still be mildly dangerous. I do not know know of any public park that allows any type of air gun at all. I would NEVER allow my children to own one without the orange tip on it. It is a legal weapon at that point. The fact that the kid had it is a failure on his parent's part.

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    Poor judgement is exactly why that CIO needs punishment. Are we really going let thus man go free for killing a child? Is society that heartless towards minorities? I have to care about feministic nonsense lately and all this other sjw crap, but no one cares about the multiple black people being shot or killed by cops lately? Unbelievable.

    Because of these incidents and even more incidents (search cop or police on Worldstarhiphop.com or liveleak), I dread facing a cop anytime in the near future because I am black. I already have an innate distrust of cops from experience and from what I have witnessed. But all this stuff lately is really making me question why the hell is this country so messed up.

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    12-26-2014 06:51 PM
  10. A895's Avatar
    Does ALL of your posts have to be about race?
    "Created December 26, 2014"

    Does not check out.

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    12-27-2014 06:52 AM
  11. palandri's Avatar
    "Created December 26, 2014"

    Does not check out.

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    December 26 is Boxing Day! Boxing Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    We don't have it in the states because it would be considered too socialistic for a mandate that employers give gifts to their workers.
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    12-27-2014 08:17 AM
  12. A895's Avatar
    December 26 is Boxing Day! Boxing Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    We don't have it in the states because it would be considered too socialistic for a mandate that employers give gifts to their workers.
    The way some Republicans talk you would think America is already becoming a socialist country.

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    12-27-2014 08:27 AM
  13. GadgetGator's Avatar
    So, I have an even worse opinion of the NYC PD after seeing the antics at the funeral today.

    I didn't mind them turning their backs on the mayor the other day. I thought it had no basis and was disrespectful, but still it was their way of protesting and that's fine.

    However, I draw the line at funerals. So when a bunch of them did the same thing today, I feel they crossed a line. A funeral is not the proper venue for a protest or political statement.

    Ironically, the officer whose funeral they were at seemed like a very upstanding guy who wouldn't do such a thing at someone's funeral. So I want to ask those officers a question: "If the guy whose funeral you are at it wouldn't do it, then why are YOU?"

    I was willing to give them some slack before, but no longer. The officers that showed such disrespect at a funeral need to be fired.

    Fired.

    Fired.

    Fired.
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    12-27-2014 03:32 PM
  14. anon8126715's Avatar
    "Created December 26, 2014"

    Does not check out.

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    Don't you love it when someone creates an extra account because they're too cowardly to post under their real account?

    You see the same type of racist-cowardice when you read the comments section of some news websites. I guess all those "we don't have racism anymore" people don't bother reading what people type in those comments sections when they feel that it's an anonymous post and they can really say what's on their mind. All one has to do is check the comments section of ANY news story about race in the U.S. to see that we obviously have a lot of people that have bigoted views in this country. My personal take is that it's an outlet for insecure people that have no way to vent in real life. It's where the neutered go to try to capture some of the manhood that has escaped them in real life. I guess I can see why so many of them also align themselves with gun nuts. Anything to try to maintain that semblance of manhood.......
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    12-27-2014 05:01 PM
  15. anon8126715's Avatar
    So, I have an even worse opinion of the NYC PD after seeing the antics at the funeral today.

    I didn't mind them turning their backs on the mayor the other day. I thought it had no basis and was disrespectful, but still it was their way of protesting and that's fine.

    However, I draw the line at funerals. So when a bunch of them did the same thing today, I feel they crossed a line. A funeral is not the proper venue for a protest or political statement.

    Ironically, the officer whose funeral they were at seemed like a very upstanding guy who wouldn't do such a thing at someone's funeral. So I want to ask those officers a question: "If the guy whose funeral you are at it wouldn't do it, then why are YOU?"

    I was willing to give them some slack before, but no longer. The officers that showed such disrespect at a funeral need to be fired.

    Fired.

    Fired.

    Fired.
    That is indeed sad. Instead of going to mourn a fallen fellow officer, they thought it was more important to send a message. No better than those Westboro Baptist Church nuts IMO.
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    12-27-2014 05:03 PM
  16. palandri's Avatar
    I thought the turning of their backs today at the funeral was way out of line.
    12-27-2014 05:40 PM
  17. A895's Avatar
    I thought the turning of their backs today at the funeral was way out of line.
    Same here. What is their beef with the mayor really about?

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    12-27-2014 06:27 PM
  18. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Same here. What is their beef with the mayor really about?
    It sounds like basically the Mayor is anti-police (or dislikes them at the least) and ran his campaign on being against them.
    12-27-2014 07:15 PM
  19. GadgetGator's Avatar
    Same here. What is their beef with the mayor really about?

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    I don't get it either. They keep talking about his comment regarding teaching his biracial son to listen to police and not to give them trouble. How horrible!

    That's not "siding with the protesters" or "throwing police under the bus". That's just citing real life experiences.

    I haven't heard them mention anything other than this one comment, so it makes no sense to me.

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    12-27-2014 07:22 PM
  20. GadgetGator's Avatar
    It sounds like basically the Mayor is anti-police (or dislikes them at the least) and ran his campaign on being against them.
    Examples?

    I have seen absolutely nothing that would indicate this.

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    12-27-2014 07:23 PM
  21. anon8126715's Avatar
    It sounds like basically the Mayor is anti-police (or dislikes them at the least) and ran his campaign on being against them.
    Actually, it's that he's pro 4th amendment, which I think it's kind of disgusting that the NYPD has a problem with it. He campaigned against the "stop and frisk" policy that was implemented before him. I don't know why anyone would have a problem with stopping such a policy that's an affront to the American way of life.


    Oh and the litmus test for a law such as "Stop and Frisk" would be using that policy on Wall Street or any affluent neighborhood. I guarantee you that there would be numerous lawsuits if this policy was carried out in more than just poor neighborhoods.
    12-27-2014 08:39 PM
  22. JnEricsonx's Avatar
    I hate to say it, but as I understand it, any gun training is more about if you have to shoot, you shoot to put someone DOWN, not wound. That means center mass and head shots. I think there's a technique called the Mozambique Drill, in which its 2 center mass shots, 1 head shot in quick succession. Lets face it folks, guns, when not being used on paper targets, are things that are designed to put a piece of metal through someone at well over 2000 feet per second in some cases, that is meant to be LETHAL force. In fairness, I'll double check some of this with my sister's husband, who is a NYC FBI agent, as to in at least the FBI's case, what's their gun training.
    12-27-2014 09:20 PM
  23. palandri's Avatar
    Mozambique Drill? In quick succession? That sounds like something from a Hollywood movie. Heads shot with a pistol at 40ft? Either one hand or two hands. Good luck!

    I qualified with a rifle and pistol in the military and I know the limitations.
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    12-27-2014 09:58 PM
  24. anon8126715's Avatar
    I hate to say it, but as I understand it, any gun training is more about if you have to shoot, you shoot to put someone DOWN, not wound. That means center mass and head shots. I think there's a technique called the Mozambique Drill, in which its 2 center mass shots, 1 head shot in quick succession. Lets face it folks, guns, when not being used on paper targets, are things that are designed to put a piece of metal through someone at well over 2000 feet per second in some cases, that is meant to be LETHAL force. In fairness, I'll double check some of this with my sister's husband, who is a NYC FBI agent, as to in at least the FBI's case, what's their gun training.
    The problem is that too many officers are shoot first ask questions later. I remember when that was actually a Hollywood cliché and not SOP for police departments. I understand that police work IS a dangerous profession, but it seems like more officers are making the mistake of shooting to kill as a first resort. Either they're not being trained correctly (which is quite plausible given that training is the first thing entities cut when making budget cuts) or this has always been the case and was just generally under reported. I would hope it's the former and not the latter, but considering how many horror stories one reads about police officers that would plant evidence and beat false confessions out of people, I don't know anymore.
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    12-27-2014 10:15 PM
  25. Scott7217's Avatar
    In two words: Police Unions.
    If the union is protecting corrupt cops, it's basically aiding and abetting its members who have no qualms about beating up and shooting ordinary citizens.

    Perhaps the police union should be declared an illegal organization and disbanded. Would that be a step in the right direction?
    12-29-2014 04:32 AM
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