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  1. vinnie_boombhats's Avatar
    But I bet she has never questioned if other flower arrangements violate her religious beliefs, like cheating spouses for instance. Which makes her a lying hypocrite.

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    If I am not mistaken, " Thou shalt shaketh thine finger, hypocritically.", is actual first commandment.
    04-08-2015 05:34 AM
  2. Scott7217's Avatar
    But I bet she has never questioned if other flower arrangements violate her religious beliefs, like cheating spouses for instance. Which makes her a lying hypocrite.
    If anyone could provide evidence that the florist in Washington state knowingly condoned cheating spouses, then they might be able to stop the crowd-funding that's going on to help her.

    Without the donations, the florist will simply go out of business.

    The last time I checked, the total amount raised so far was $151,160.
    04-08-2015 04:00 PM
  3. Scott7217's Avatar
    What I don't understand how your religious beliefs intersect with your ability to make money.
    People need to make a living, whether they believe in a religion or not. That being said, some things are more important than money.

    To put it more broadly, should anyone be forced to do business that could potentially benefit a cause they don't believe in? Catering food is a good example.

    A caterer may believe in strict gun control. Would that caterer be required to serve dinner at a convention for the National Rifle Association?

    A caterer may oppose animal cruelty. Would that caterer be required to host a lunch at a pharmaceutical company that tests drugs on cats and dogs?

    A caterer may believe in the political platform for Democrats. Would that caterer be required to handout food at a picnic for the anniversary celebration of the George W. Bush presidential library and museum?

    Perhaps the best thing to do is let the caterer refuse and give the opportunity to someone else.
    04-08-2015 04:39 PM
  4. GadgetGator's Avatar
    If anyone could provide evidence that the florist in Washington state knowingly condoned cheating spouses, then they might be able to stop the crowd-funding that's going on to help her.

    Without the donations, the florist will simply go out of business.

    The last time I checked, the total amount raised so far was $151,160.
    Hmmmm, I guess people value pizza over flowers. Interesting.

    As for going out of business, if donations are the only thing keeping a business afloat, then they have already gone out of business. A florist, or a pizza shop are not charities.

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    04-08-2015 06:46 PM
  5. vinnie_boombhats's Avatar
    Not sure if anyone here is familiar with this, but stifles the goders.

    Dear Dr. Laura:

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When people try to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them:

    a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev.1:9).The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15:19-24).The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    d) Lev.25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

    e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

    f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev.11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

    g) Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

    h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

    i) I know from Lev.11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread cotton/polyester blend. He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev.24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
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    04-08-2015 07:25 PM
  6. GadgetGator's Avatar

    A caterer may oppose animal cruelty. Would that caterer be required to host a lunch at a pharmaceutical company that tests drugs on cats and dogs?
    Since you brought up pharmaceuticals, how about a pharmacist who is against gays? Is it okay for them to deny AIDS medications because they think it's "God's will"? How about if they are against contraception? Should they turn women away who seek birth control or morning after pills?

    How far do you want to slice and dice things?

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    04-08-2015 08:29 PM
  7. Scott7217's Avatar
    Hmmmm, I guess people value pizza over flowers. Interesting.
    Whatever people believe about marriage, the important thing is whom you marry. Cakes, flowers, photos -- none of that really matters.

    People have spent a fortune on fancy weddings only to end up divorced and miserable. I'm sure they would trade all of that for a happy marriage.
    04-08-2015 09:15 PM
  8. Scott7217's Avatar
    Since you brought up pharmaceuticals, how about a pharmacist who is against gays?
    We've covered this before in a previous forum thread, but you can revisit it if you want:

    Conscience Clauses -- Android Central Forums (forum link)
    04-08-2015 09:40 PM
  9. Scott7217's Avatar
    As for going out of business, if donations are the only thing keeping a business afloat, then they have already gone out of business.
    The pizzeria in Indiana is temporarily closed. That's just a natural consequence of getting death threats. However, I do believe that they plan to reopen. They're also getting a financial planner to help manage all the donations they received.

    As far as I know, the florist in Washington state has always been in business.

    By the way, the gay man who sued her admitted that he bought around $4,500 worth of flowers when he was a customer.

    It's possible that if he merely boycotted the florist, she would have lost another $4,500 or more in future purchases. Just because he's getting married doesn't mean that he'll stop buying flowers altogether.

    Instead, the florist has to pay a $1,000 fine, which is less than $4,500.

    On top of that, maybe she'll get a book deal. Maybe people will pay her lots of money to speak at churches and other religious institutions. Maybe Hollywood will film a documentary about her.

    Oh, the last time I checked the crowd-funding for the florist, the total was $153,360.
    04-08-2015 10:26 PM
  10. vinnie_boombhats's Avatar
    How far do you want to slice and dice things?
    Until they are see through. This way it can match their transparent argument.
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    04-08-2015 11:11 PM
  11. GadgetGator's Avatar
    The pizzeria in Indiana is temporarily closed. That's just a natural consequence of getting death threats.

    Oh, the last time I checked the crowd-funding for the florist, the total was $153,360.
    Really? Cut the Cake in Florida didn't close their business after getting anti-gay death threats. Instead, they brought in extra staff to handle things while the owners took care of the threatening calls, hired an attorney and called the FBI in. They have a gofundme too, but it isn't even as high as the florist yet let alone the pizza. So I guess the hierarchy goes something like this:

    Against love Pizza
    Against love florist
    Pro love bakery

    Yup.....the world is really effed up.

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    04-09-2015 01:08 AM
  12. anon8126715's Avatar
    If anyone could provide evidence that the florist in Washington state knowingly condoned cheating spouses, then they might be able to stop the crowd-funding that's going on to help her.

    Without the donations, the florist will simply go out of business.

    The last time I checked, the total amount raised so far was $151,160.
    How about she just sell to EVERYONE without offering "condoning" services? Selling to a gay couple for their wedding isn't condoning their sexual orientation, it's SELLING FLOWERS. At the risk of putting my foot in my mouth (I've developed a taste for athletes foot anyways), if I was a florist and a gay couple liked my arrangements, I'd take it as a compliment and nothing more. If you want to deny someone your services/goods then that's fine, but you probably don't need to be in business if you have such prejudices. My opinion is that if you have those kinds of feelings, then what's to say that you're going to do your best for other customers of differing races/religions? "Well, I'm a white florist and I'm doing a Hispanic wedding, but I'm not going to use my BEST flowers, I don't believe they deserve my best".
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    04-09-2015 07:20 AM
  13. Scott7217's Avatar
    Against love Pizza
    Against love florist
    From what I've read, the pizzeria announced that they were going to share the $842,442 with:

    - Disabled children
    - A women’s help group
    - Fire fighters
    - Police trusts
    - Christian churches

    They're also going to give some money to the florist in Washington state.
    04-09-2015 06:07 PM
  14. Scott7217's Avatar
    If you want to deny someone your services/goods then that's fine, but you probably don't need to be in business if you have such prejudices.
    I think a lot of people would agree with you that it's fine to deny someone services and goods.

    Personally, if I didn't like how someone was running their business, I'd take my money elsewhere.
    04-09-2015 06:18 PM
  15. vinnie_boombhats's Avatar
    Hey folks, just spoke with god.

    Now this may come a complete surprise to a vast majority of the species.

    God said, get this, "Go about your lives, mind your own god danmed business!" And here is the kicker, god also said, "That everything was created by god. god does not need anyone's help, with anything, ever!"

    That is all, carry on.
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    04-09-2015 06:20 PM
  16. GadgetGator's Avatar
    From what I've read, the pizzeria announced that they were going to share the $842,442 with:

    - Disabled children
    - A women’s help group
    - Fire fighters
    - Police trusts
    - Christian churches

    They're also going to give some money to the florist in Washington state.
    Are they going to give some of that money to the Florida bakery too? Or are death threats for pro-gay people okay because that's "different"?

    I suspect my next post answers that question......

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    04-09-2015 06:37 PM
  17. GadgetGator's Avatar
    So, I have my answer...it really IS about bigotry and not religion at all. Religion is just an excuse to hide behind.

    Because gays are a special "different" kind of "sin". So flowers for those committing adultery are okay. But not those icky gays.

    Apparently this lady is writing her own version of the ten commandments:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/g...mments/#disqus

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    04-09-2015 06:44 PM
  18. anon8126715's Avatar
    Hey folks, just spoke with god.

    Now this may come a complete surprise to a vast majority of the species.

    God said, get this, "Go about your lives, mind your own god danmed business!" And here is the kicker, god also said, "That everything was created by god. god does not need anyone's help, with anything, ever!"

    That is all, carry on.
    He used his own name in vain so he's going to hell?
    04-09-2015 06:50 PM
  19. vinnie_boombhats's Avatar
    Do you want to what the real problem is with those gays? I mean if you really look at them, it's painfully obvious, what is wrong with them. Nothing, absolutely nothing. I don't think they bleed pink, do they? That might be something you'd want to talk to a specialist about, if that were the case.
    04-09-2015 06:51 PM
  20. vinnie_boombhats's Avatar
    He used his own name in vain so he's going to hell?
    It's the old do as I say, not as I do decree.
    04-09-2015 06:53 PM
  21. anon8126715's Avatar
    So, I have my answer...it really IS about bigotry and not religion at all. Religion is just an excuse to hide behind.

    Because gays are a special "different" kind of "sin". So flowers for those committing adultery are okay. But not those icky gays.

    Apparently this lady is writing her own version of the ten commandments:

    Georgia florist’s religious hypocrisy: She’ll serve adulterers, but gay couples are ‘a different kind of sin’

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    That 1st woman needs to stop serving herself food since Gluttony is one of the deadly sins.
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    04-09-2015 06:56 PM
  22. Scott7217's Avatar
    So flowers for those committing adultery are okay.
    I wouldn't be surprised if some florists refused to sell flowers to adulterers.
    04-09-2015 07:04 PM
  23. Scott7217's Avatar
    How about she just sell to EVERYONE without offering "condoning" services?
    The florist sold about $4,500 worth of flowers to the gay man who sued her, so it's not like she didn't sell a single flower to him.
    04-09-2015 07:44 PM
  24. GadgetGator's Avatar
    I wouldn't be surprised if some florists refused to sell flowers to adulterers.
    Doubtful. Certainly have never heard of a case where someone was denied. How would that even work? Grill everyone as to the nature of their relationship with recipient? Demand proof that that women is your secretary not your mistress? I have never heard of a florist getting that nosey. Because they don't really care. It's only those icky gays that they care about.

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    04-09-2015 08:26 PM
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