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  1. anon8126715's Avatar
    Maybe I should have been more clear, another black man will not be a presidential candidate frontrunner for the presidency. When it cokes down to it, while women are considered minorities, a black woman will be least likely to be nominated compared to someone like Clinton.

    Posted via Razr M on the Android Central App
    I kind of figured what you meant, but I have also heard some people insist that a white male won't be back in the White House anytime soon. I personally don't believe that a person's gender and race has any bearing on their ability to be President. The way I see it, by the time a candidate makes it to that level, they are already indebted to their donors and will govern from within the pockets of those donors. Thus, I can't help wonder what kind of President we'd actually get if money was taken out of politics all together.
    05-20-2015 10:23 PM
  2. A895's Avatar
    I kind of figured what you meant, but I have also heard some people insist that a white male won't be back in the White House anytime soon. I personally don't believe that a person's gender and race has any bearing on their ability to be President. The way I see it, by the time a candidate makes it to that level, they are already indebted to their donors and will govern from within the pockets of those donors. Thus, I can't help wonder what kind of President we'd actually get if money was taken out of politics all together.
    If they would lower the cost of even running for political office, you would get even more grounded candidates. It cost hundreds of millions to run for President, a few mill just for senate, and up to a million for representatives. That's insane.

    Posted via Razr M on the Android Central App
    05-21-2015 08:04 AM
  3. anon8126715's Avatar
    If they would lower the cost of even running for political office, you would get even more grounded candidates. It cost hundreds of millions to run for President, a few mill just for senate, and up to a million for representatives. That's insane.

    Posted via Razr M on the Android Central App
    I can't wait for voters to flat out reject candidates that are backed by a lot of money. The way I see it, you look at companies like Enron that would pump crazy amounts of money into candidate campaigns, they were part of the reason that California had to do rolling black-outs a few years ago, and helped manipulate the price of electricity before they finally went under. If a company like that is trying to buy candidates, it can't be good for our country.

    Unfortunately, we have a lot of people that are ok with big business buying influence that hurts the middle class. What gets me is that these same people insist they're pro middle class, then scream out that we need less regulation, and we need to give huge tax breaks to companies and the rich. As if they're not gaming the system enough at the expense of our middle class.

    Granted, I think the same people that fight so impassioned towards the special interest groups above do so with a small dose of racism as well. If you talk to some of these people that claim to be all about "Free market!" and change the topic to professional athletes, they tend to change their attitude. They'll either tell you that they don't like sports because they think athletes are spoiled and brash or think that athletes are over-paid. Never mind the fact that these athletes work hard to get to where they are, some people hate seeing these athletes succeed. You can't tell me that it's not racism, why else would you be for the success of some people, but not for the success of others? If you can celebrate the success of some people but not the success of professional athletes, then I reserve the right to call you a racist hypocrite.
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    05-21-2015 11:39 AM
  4. Mooncatt's Avatar
    So are you saying that only blacks and other minorities can be professional athletes? It's an honest question because you speak as if criticizing an athlete's pay is only more racist code talk. When people insinuate that, to me it makes them out to be the true racist for automatically making that connection when there's quite a number of white athletes that make a boat load of money too.

    For the record, I don't have qualms about how much someone makes, regardless of profession. Well...unless you consider being a welfare queen to be a profession. I will point out the hypocrisy of people that despise the rich, but have no problems justifying the "special" rich, such as athletes and actors. I believe that people should be paid based on the value of the work they provide, regardless if it's flipping a burger, throwing a ball, or running a billion dollar company. If you pay employees more than the value of their work, then the business goes bankrupt.
    05-21-2015 02:02 PM
  5. Scott7217's Avatar
    I can't wait for voters to flat out reject candidates that are backed by a lot of money.
    Would it be better to vote for Bernie Sanders then?
    05-21-2015 02:23 PM
  6. anon8126715's Avatar
    Would it be better to vote for Bernie Sanders then?
    I think he has some good ideas. Despite the fact that many people don't care for his ideology, I consider him a good counter-balance to the fascists that are owned by large corporations.

    In an ideal society, what should happen is that we have a few big money candidates, we have a few no-money candidates, and the compromise that should take place would give us decent balance. That balance would be most beneficial to the middle class. Granted, in our climate today, the middle class has been all but wiped out. When people speak of "two Americas", they're referring to the fact that there's no more middle class. It's just the super rich, and everyone else. When people talk about "Wealth distribution", they're talking about trying to bring back the middle class. The problem is that you have the spin doctors on the right that have led people to believe that it's a code for "Socialism".
    05-21-2015 02:36 PM
  7. Scott7217's Avatar
    I think he has some good ideas. Despite the fact that many people don't care for his ideology, I consider him a good counter-balance to the fascists that are owned by large corporations.
    So, if people vote for Hillary Clinton, are they really voting for the corporations?
    05-21-2015 04:20 PM
  8. A895's Avatar
    So are you saying that only blacks and other minorities can be professional athletes? It's an honest question because you speak as if criticizing an athlete's pay is only more racist code talk. When people insinuate that, to me it makes them out to be the true racist for automatically making that connection when there's quite a number of white athletes that make a boat load of money too.

    For the record, I don't have qualms about how much someone makes, regardless of profession. Well...unless you consider being a welfare queen to be a profession. I will point out the hypocrisy of people that despise the rich, but have no problems justifying the "special" rich, such as athletes and actors. I believe that people should be paid based on the value of the work they provide, regardless if it's flipping a burger, throwing a ball, or running a billion dollar company. If you pay employees more than the value of their work, then the business goes bankrupt.
    Who is this in reference to? I didn't say any of those things. Either way, I have always expressed disgust at how much anyone in the entertainment industry is paid. Same with athletes. But that's just my opinion. And no one said only black can be pro athletes.

    Posted via Razr M on the Android Central App
    05-21-2015 04:35 PM
  9. A895's Avatar
    So, if people vote for Hillary Clinton, are they really voting for the corporations?
    They are voting for someone who is too obvious and they wont see the broad field. Clinton will already make it far based on the fact she is Hillary Clinton.

    Posted via Razr M on the Android Central App
    05-21-2015 04:36 PM
  10. Scott7217's Avatar
    They are voting for someone who is too obvious and they wont see the broad field. Clinton will already make it far based on the fact she is Hillary Clinton.
    So, is Bernie Sanders the better choice over Hillary Clinton?
    05-21-2015 04:58 PM
  11. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Who is this in reference to? I didn't say any of those things. Either way, I have always expressed disgust at how much anyone in the entertainment industry is paid. Same with athletes. But that's just my opinion. And no one said only black can be pro athletes.
    It was in reference to TXGTOU. I didn't quote him because my reply was immediately after the post.
    05-21-2015 05:00 PM
  12. A895's Avatar
    So, is Bernie Sanders the better choice over Hillary Clinton?
    Right now? Yes. Hillary hasn't made her position clear on several issues that I care about. Notably healthcare, environment, and her thoughts on law enforcement in this country. No to mention the economy.

    Posted via Razr M on the Android Central App
    05-21-2015 05:11 PM
  13. A895's Avatar
    It was in reference to TXGTOU. I didn't quote him because my reply was immediately after the post.
    My bad.

    Posted via Razr M on the Android Central App
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    05-21-2015 05:12 PM
  14. anon8126715's Avatar
    So, if people vote for Hillary Clinton, are they really voting for the corporations?
    If people vote for any mainstream politician, they're voting for the corporations. I remember when the BP spill happened, people screamed that Obama was going to go soft on BP. They released that BP donated to both Obama and McCain. Nice that a corporation is so wealthy that they can contribute to ALL candidates and assure themselves a seat at the table regardless of who wins.
    05-21-2015 07:27 PM
  15. anon8126715's Avatar
    So are you saying that only blacks and other minorities can be professional athletes? It's an honest question because you speak as if criticizing an athlete's pay is only more racist code talk. When people insinuate that, to me it makes them out to be the true racist for automatically making that connection when there's quite a number of white athletes that make a boat load of money too.

    For the record, I don't have qualms about how much someone makes, regardless of profession. Well...unless you consider being a welfare queen to be a profession. I will point out the hypocrisy of people that despise the rich, but have no problems justifying the "special" rich, such as athletes and actors. I believe that people should be paid based on the value of the work they provide, regardless if it's flipping a burger, throwing a ball, or running a billion dollar company. If you pay employees more than the value of their work, then the business goes bankrupt.
    Didn't you just recently post that A895 was taking peoples' quotes and turning them into straw man arguments? Are you now providing us with an example? There are more opportunities for minorities in professional sports because performance is much easier to measure. Those opportunities, and the fact that minorities DO DOMINATE the sporting world is why there are a lot of people that despise athletes in general (with Hockey and some other less athletic sports being the exception).

    The racism is pretty obvious. Look at all the outrage over what Michael Vick did. He gets jail time for what he did, while Ben Roethlisberger SEXUALLY ASSAULTS TWO WOMEN and gets a 6 game suspension.

    As far as your attempt at claiming hypocrisy on loathing one form of rich vs another form of rich, let me clue you in (I used 5 words to say "get educated", I hope that's ok) one form of rich is not beholden to ANYONE for setting their pay except for share holders that want the same lifestyle. They're not judged on performance (look at the former HP CEO now running for office as an example) and aren't subject to the same laws of economics that the rest of us are. Meanwhile, the "special rich", if they don't put butts in the stadium seats or the movie theater seats, guess what, their pay suffers for it. At least the "special rich" are judged based on their performance, where the ones you want to champion, I guess you're ok with treating them as royalty.
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    05-21-2015 07:50 PM
  16. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Didn't you just recently post that A895 was taking peoples' quotes and turning them into straw man arguments?
    That was someone else referring to straw man arguments. As for the rest of your point, CEO's and the like don't just get lucky. It takes a lot of hard work and education to even get close to running large companies. If the board of directors are dumb enough to not have more discipline of their CEO and resulting pay structure, that's one thing. But to say the special rich are justified because of physical performance but those based on mental performance are not, is just a pure fallacy. If you think heads of major corporations didn't work hard for the position, then throw some Joe Blow in the seat and watch what happens.
    05-21-2015 11:01 PM
  17. Scott7217's Avatar
    If people vote for any mainstream politician, they're voting for the corporations.
    So, in the end, the corporations win. It's not exactly something I would want, but it might be the reality of the situation.
    05-22-2015 03:40 AM
  18. Scott7217's Avatar
    Right now? Yes.
    I can see why people like Bernie Sanders. He has a shot, so I have no problem with Sanders throwing his hat into the ring.
    05-22-2015 03:43 AM
  19. anon8126715's Avatar
    So, in the end, the corporations win. It's not exactly something I would want, but it might be the reality of the situation.
    IMO Corporations shouldn't be allowed to have nearly as much influence in politics that they have now. One of the reasons that I'm glad that Mitt the nit wit didn't win was that he flat out believed that corporations are people and deserved the rights of person-hood. Then he made that speech about the "47%" that really let you into the mindset of the right wing (even someone that the right insist is "more of a centrist"). If the best candidate of the right wing of 2012 believes that 47% of America is part of the "Moocher class" then what does that tell you about the right wing?

    What I find most humorous about the right wing's take on matters such as this is that they think that hard work is directly related to wealth. I currently work for a company with a wide range of wage earners. To give you an idea of the range of salaries, I see everything from 20 year old Chevys to brand new Lamborghinis parked in the parking garage. If you think the owner of the Lamborghini works that much harder than the owner of the Chevy then you're living quite a sheltered life. As a matter of fact, the owner of the Lamborghini has reserved front row parking (near the Handicapped parking if that tells you anything about the corporate mindset) and if you get into the office before 10am or leave after 3pm, you'll see his parking space empty. Then again, we're all about placating the wealthy and putting them on a pedestal whether or not they are deserving.
    06-03-2015 05:26 AM
  20. Scott7217's Avatar
    Hillary hasn't made her position clear on several issues that I care about.
    You can probably just look at the old debates that Hillary Clinton had with Barack Obama in 2008. That will tell you how she stands on the issues. Otherwise, you'll need to wait until she debates Bernie Sanders.
    06-04-2015 06:08 PM
  21. A895's Avatar
    You can probably just look at the old debates that Hillary Clinton had with Barack Obama in 2008. That will tell you how she stands on the issues. Otherwise, you'll need to wait until she debates Bernie Sanders.
    In just going to wait on the debates. I have checked with, can't remember the name of the site where you can answer a series of questions about politics to see what candidate or possible candidate you are most similar to politically and Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders were the top two for me with Joe being first.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    06-05-2015 04:34 AM
  22. Scott7217's Avatar
    In just going to wait on the debates.
    It will be interesting if Hillary Clinton's opponents use the same arguments that Barack Obama used against her in 2008.
    06-07-2015 03:53 AM
  23. GadgetGator's Avatar
    I'm baaaaack from my three month exile. Had to have some surgeries but seeing good enough to post here again, so yay. Wow..things sure did change while I was gone. More Republicans, more Democrats and Trump! You guys aren't talking about Trump? That, to quote him is "huuuuuuuge". LOL

    So with the first GOP debate this week, what do you all think?
    08-03-2015 06:47 PM
  24. GadgetGator's Avatar
    In just going to wait on the debates. I have checked with, can't remember the name of the site where you can answer a series of questions about politics to see what candidate or possible candidate you are most similar to politically and Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders were the top two for me with Joe being first.

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    You may be in luck. There is strong talk of Joe getting into the race. That will make for a wild ride in both parties!
    08-03-2015 06:49 PM
  25. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I was burned out on Trump from the prior elections. When he started sticking his head up again, I figured it was more of him crying wolf and didn't think he'd formally announce. Now that he has, I'm not really interested in him. Makes me wonder if he'd run the presidency like that. I do think having someone more business minded would help our economy, but that can't be the only quality to look for.
    08-03-2015 10:00 PM
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