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  1. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    So what alternative is there to the current healthcare plan? Here's the problem with the current system, when you're sick, you're in no condition to look for the best value. Providers can charge whatever price they want when your health is involved. And then there's the leverage against employees. If an employee knows that he/she will be covered when they leave their job, they can negotiate more towards their wage. And guess what, higher wages = more buying power for the middle class which equals more taxable sources, which guess what, can go towards paying for healthcare. I'm guessing ok you win ASSUMING you are against the middle class, because I don't understand how lifting the burden of healthcare costs on the middle class is exactly a bad thing.
    I've never lost health care when I left a job. Actually, even if fired they have to let you stay on the plan for 18 months. That is what COBRA accomplished.

    I would say one thing that needs to change is COBRA payments shouldn't be so high, because they are high.

    They already tried the ACA under Romney, when he was governor, that plan was what the ACA was based on.

    Guess what? Everyone has insurance, most can't get appointments, primary care doctors are disappearing, ER visits have skyrocketed and they are mainly for non-emergency issues, and health care costs has gone up.

    You don't throw a bandaid on an artery that is ripped open. You have to fix the problem. A bandaid makes it worse. That is what has happened with the ACA. There was no negotiating with that piece of legislation, it was pushed through with nothing to stop it or change it.

    Government isn't supposed to be in the health care business. Our federal government is already way out of control. They have been overstepping their responsibility since FDR and the New Deal.

    You mentioned the middle class.. What middle class? It has been very quickly disappearing in the last 6 years.
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    05-13-2015 10:39 AM
  2. A895's Avatar
    I've never lost health care when I left a job. Actually, even if fired they have to let you stay on the plan for 18 months. That is what COBRA accomplished.

    I would say one thing that needs to change is COBRA payments shouldn't be so high, because they are high.

    They already tried the ACA under Romney, when he was governor, that plan was what the ACA was based on.

    Guess what? Everyone has insurance, most can't get appointments, primary care doctors are disappearing, ER visits have skyrocketed and they are mainly for non-emergency issues, and health care costs has gone up.

    You don't throw a bandaid on an artery that is ripped open. You have to fix the problem. A bandaid makes it worse. That is what has happened with the ACA. There was no negotiating with that piece of legislation, it was pushed through with nothing to stop it or change it.

    Government isn't supposed to be in the health care business. Our federal government is already way out of control. They have been overstepping their responsibility since FDR and the New Deal.

    You mentioned the middle class.. What middle class? It has been very quickly disappearing in the last 6 years.
    Everyone is talking about government overstep, yet want to hang on to social security for dear life. Social security needs to go honestly. You shouldn't get paid just because you got old. If you get old you were supposed to save before hand. Social security is one of the biggest money pits the government has. Medicare and Medicaid were just Band-Aids. We need universal healthcare though, everyone gets to go doctor regardless of income.

    People act like government got all big and scary, no it didn't its been the same damn size for decades. Its just FUD. Besides the ACA, and the Patriot Act, no major legislation that affects Americans has been passed for decades. And the ACA doesn't provide that the government runs healthcare, that's false, they only have a single portal people can apply to health insurance from and if they qualify they do get federal subsidies to help pay for it. That's it. The insurance still gets paid to the insurance companies themselves. It just helps alleviate the pain applying and in many cases it helps the cost go down.

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    05-13-2015 10:50 AM
  3. A895's Avatar
    Health care isn't the only socialist part.

    Progressives, just another name for socialist and Obama is very much a progressive.

    Where did I say single player health care was the one and only sign of socialism.

    I can help you.. I did not say that. I was asked about health care.
    How is being progressive socialist? So wanting people to be equal in healthcare and as human beings is socialist?

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    05-13-2015 10:51 AM
  4. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Would be a possibility if he was in a country that viewed him as a war criminal. I actually see him as a war criminal. When our soldiers are held and treated the same, we're outraged. There are reasons that we've signed treaties to prevent such acts. Just because our enemies act like savages doesn't mean we should act the same.
    Obama and his war mongering put GWB's to shame.

    Again, Obama has taken the worst Bush policies and expanded them and that includes war.

    Obama completely destabilized Egypt, which was the stabilizing force in the Middle East.

    And Libya.. Good God, Libya is destroyed. That is what happens though when smuggling illegal weapons through Libya to militants on Syria so they can topple the Assad regime for you.

    Assad is a bad man, it is up to the people of Syria to get rid of him, we can't not should we do it for them.

    Due to us messing with Syria, ISIS and others have destroyed that country.

    Then there is ISIS in Iraq? Do you even know how much Obama let go on in Iraq to help ISIS grow there?

    I have friends that live in Iraq, I have friends that are Kurds in Iraq, I have friends and family that served in Iraq. Maliki was an Iranian puppet and the new PM, al-Abadi is also an Iranian puppet. Obama knew what Maliki was doing in Iraq and he let him keep on until ISIS gained a foothold. ISIS didn't show up there last year.

    If someone wants to charge GWB with war crimes, there is no way to not charge Obama with even more war crimes.
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    05-13-2015 11:03 AM
  5. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Everyone is talking about government overstep, yet want to hang on to social security for dear life. Social security needs to go honestly. You shouldn't get paid just because you got old. If you get old you were supposed to save before hand. Social security is one of the biggest money pits the government has. Medicare and Medicaid were just Band-Aids. We need universal healthcare though, everyone gets to go doctor regardless of income.

    People act like government got all big and scary, no it didn't its been the same damn size for decades. Its just FUD. Besides the ACA, and the Patriot Act, no major legislation that affects Americans has been passed for decades. And the ACA doesn't provide that the government runs healthcare, that's false, they only have a single portal people can apply to health insurance from and if they qualify they do get federal subsidies to help pay for it. That's it. The insurance still gets paid to the insurance companies themselves. It just helps alleviate the pain applying and in many cases it helps the cost go down.

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    You do realize that people pay their own money into social security, correct?

    Why do you think I support social security? I don't.

    Don't take my money and save it for me, I can do that myself.
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    05-13-2015 11:06 AM
  6. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    How is being progressive socialist? So wanting people to be equal in healthcare and as human beings is socialist?

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    You think that is what Progressives want?

    Obama didn't want people to be equal. He was against gay marriage, made statements about it. When it became a political tool, he changed his view.

    All we have heard from the far left, not the classic Democrats, is taking from those with more and giving to those with less. They are trying to insert government into every aspect of our economic system.

    If we ever had a true free market and true capitalism, that would be mutually beneficial to business and consumer.

    You can not have those things when government is involved in private business. Our government is making it very hard for small business owners and small business has always been the job creators. Until government is banned from interfering in business, we will not have true capitalism, only cronyism.
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    05-13-2015 11:13 AM
  7. A895's Avatar
    Obama and his war mongering put GWB's to shame.

    Again, Obama has taken the worst Bush policies and expanded them and that includes war.

    Obama completely destabilized Egypt, which was the stabilizing force in the Middle East.

    And Libya.. Good God, Libya is destroyed. That is what happens though when smuggling illegal weapons through Libya to militants on Syria so they can topple the Assad regime for you.

    Assad is a bad man, it is up to the people of Syria to get rid of him, we can't not should we do it for them.

    Due to us messing with Syria, ISIS and others have destroyed that country.

    Then there is ISIS in Iraq? Do you even know how much Obama let go on in Iraq to help ISIS grow there?

    I have friends that live in Iraq, I have friends that are Kurds in Iraq, I have friends and family that served in Iraq. Maliki was an Iranian puppet and the new PM, al-Abadi is also an Iranian puppet. Obama knew what Maliki was doing in Iraq and he let him keep on until ISIS gained a foothold. ISIS didn't show up there last year.

    If someone wants to charge GWB with war crimes, there is no way to not charge Obama with even more war crimes.
    How about we just leave the Middle East alone. I'm tired of hearing news about it and the amount of complaining that comes from both sides of the aisle about it. Everyone in that neck of the woods need to handle that on their own.

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    05-13-2015 12:47 PM
  8. A895's Avatar
    You do realize that people pay their own money into social security, correct?

    Why do you think I support social security? I don't.

    Don't take my money and save it for me, I can do that myself.
    Social Security also comes from the government itself, not only savings. And not every job has social security. But anyone who else I have seen be in favor of cutting down welfare, never say anything about social security.

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    05-13-2015 12:49 PM
  9. A895's Avatar
    You think that is what Progressives want?

    Obama didn't want people to be equal. He was against gay marriage, made statements about it. When it became a political tool, he changed his view.

    All we have heard from the far left, not the classic Democrats, is taking from those with more and giving to those with less. They are trying to insert government into every aspect of our economic system.

    If we ever had a true free market and true capitalism, that would be mutually beneficial to business and consumer.

    You can not have those things when government is involved in private business. Our government is making it very hard for small business owners and small business has always been the job creators. Until government is banned from interfering in business, we will not have true capitalism, only cronyism.
    Let's break this down first, rich people are rich, more taxes doesn't hurt them, I don't care how much bellyaching they do. If I was rich, I wouldn't care about taxes either. It is menial. But the way our current tax system works, and how many Republicans think is that if the rich and any other companies have less taxes they have more money for more jobs.

    Democrats are against this and Obama has accordingly gotten taxes on the rich to go up. Unless you are rich yourself, I see no reason why more taxes on the rich affects anyone personally.

    And furthermore, as far as giving to those with less. That's false as well. Welfare is welfare it hasn't changed under Obama. It isn't like all of a sudden more money went to those in poverty, no it didn't. The gap between rich and poor widens still.

    For small business, they aren't job creators anymore, let me repeat small businesses aren't job creators anymore. The biggest employer on the planet in Walmart. In my hometown the biggest employer was Kodak, neither are small companies. Here in Atlanta, Delta Airlines is the biggest Employer next to AT&T. Those aren't small companies.

    What is happening now with our economy is that big companies are the money makers now and are the big employers. So government is literally catering to big companies all the time.

    And what is happening is that smaller companies, the old mom and pop stores are being pushed out. When it comes to politicians they care about making a career. To make a career, and campaign every election you need money. Companies give money. They get favorable laws and legislation in return.

    No, you shouldn't be concerned about how government fees involved in peoples lives (it really doesn't), but be concerned about how much corporations have so much control on legislation that affects you.

    For example, look at Walmart, they pay their employees minimum wage, so their employees are often on welfare and so because Walmart is so ubiquitous, they spend their food stamps and welfare at Walmart. What happened there? What happened was is that Walmart is being subsidized by the government. Government pays for food and helps walmarts employees because they don't pay them enough and they get to double dip because their employees often shop at Walmart. That is the reality.

    That is an issue and thus is compounded with a lot of companies, such as McDonalds who actually would encourage employees to sign up for welfare.

    Our economy is run by corporations not the small business anymore.

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    05-13-2015 01:06 PM
  10. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Social Security also comes from the government itself, not only savings. And not every job has social security. But anyone who else I have seen be in favor of cutting down welfare, never say anything about social security.

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    Because half of what is paid into social security, is their own money.
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    05-13-2015 01:52 PM
  11. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    I'm not even going through your talking progressive talking points about taxes.

    There should be a flat tax and the IRS gone.

    Small business is still the job creator.

    The largest US employer is not Walmart, it is the Federal Government.

    Obama proudly addressed that fact just a few months ago.
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    05-13-2015 01:55 PM
  12. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    There is a problem with your government when they are your largest employer. Government does not generate income, they only collect taxes.

    If a non-income generating entity is the largest employer of the country, the people are footing a huge bill and that entity is involved in too much.

    The original job of the Federal Government was to protect the people from attack and to protect our rights, period, end of story.

    "As the Nation's largest employer, the Federal government.. "

    http://www.dol.gov/odep/topics/FederalEmployment.htm
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    05-13-2015 02:01 PM
  13. A895's Avatar
    I'm not even going through your talking progressive talking points about taxes.

    There should be a flat tax and the IRS gone.

    Small business is still the job creator.

    The largest US employer is not Walmart, it is the Federal Government.

    Obama proudly addressed that fact just a few months ago.
    Flat tax is the rest idea. It does nothing but benefit the wealthy. I don't know why people say the IRS should go, they manage taxes. How can you have a tax without someone managing them? If not the IRS who?

    Small business is not the job creator, not as big as it used to be.

    And I was saying WORLDWIDE, Walmart is the largest employer. That other stuff I said about then still stands.

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    05-13-2015 02:19 PM
  14. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Flat tax is the rest idea. It does nothing but benefit the wealthy. I don't know why people say the IRS should go, they manage taxes. How can you have a tax without someone managing them? If not the IRS who?

    Small business is not the job creator, not as big as it used to be.

    And I was saying WORLDWIDE, Walmart is the largest employer. That other stuff I said about then still stands.

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    I'm not interested in worldwide business, we are talking about the US. And as far as worldwide, probably not Walmart, but most of their employees are OUTSIDE the US.

    No one is job creators now, because the government is destroying small business. All large businesses started as small business.

    There is a difference in employees and creating new jobs.

    Flat tax helps everyone. If you pay the same percent, then no one gets a benefit.

    9% of $25K is a lot less than 9% of $500K.

    It would get rid of a lot of taxes paid and it would also allow people to have other income that are tax free.

    The rich already pay a higher tax percentage than the poor.

    Why do people hate the rich so? If someone can get out there and make a business and get rich, has family money and is rich, more power to them.
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    05-13-2015 02:48 PM
  15. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Flat tax is the rest idea. It does nothing but benefit the wealthy. I don't know why people say the IRS should go, they manage taxes. How can you have a tax without someone managing them? If not the IRS who?

    Small business is not the job creator, not as big as it used to be.

    And I was saying WORLDWIDE, Walmart is the largest employer. That other stuff I said about then still stands.

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    Oh and forgot. The IRS is basically a criminal organization and has been for a long time.

    They are also very political and have been used by both parties to attack political enemies.

    They should just go, most should be in jail. I'm personally tired of them taking almost 40% of my income.
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    05-13-2015 02:49 PM
  16. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Fair Tax now!

    That is all.
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    05-13-2015 02:52 PM
  17. Scott7217's Avatar
    Would be a possibility if he was in a country that viewed him as a war criminal. I actually see him as a war criminal.
    If people are serious about justice, they will go after war criminals no matter where they live.

    In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if President Obama turned George W. Bush over to an international tribunal to answer for war crimes.

    What I don't understand is the delay. You would want a trial as soon as possible to interview witnesses while their memories are still fresh and evidence is readily available.

    I don't see how waiting is better.
    05-13-2015 03:50 PM
  18. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    The first thing nessesary is to actually be guilty of war crimes.

    I think the general public doesn't really understand what happens in war..
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    05-13-2015 04:16 PM
  19. Scott7217's Avatar
    The first thing nessesary is to actually be guilty of war crimes.
    True, George W. Bush is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
    05-13-2015 04:33 PM
  20. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    So do people think that torture methods for questioning some isn't happening now or hasn't always happened?

    Torture of those working to kill Americans, plotting to kill Americans, helping to kill Americans, is very, very low on my list of things to be concerned about.

    I'm more concerned about the Taliban 5 that have been released to Qatar, a supporter of terrorism. Releasing them is a crime against humanity.

    They should have been executed.
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    05-13-2015 04:40 PM
  21. A895's Avatar
    I'm not interested in worldwide business, we are talking about the US. And as far as worldwide, probably not Walmart, but most of their employees are OUTSIDE the US.

    No one is job creators now, because the government is destroying small business. All large businesses started as small business.

    There is a difference in employees and creating new jobs.

    Flat tax helps everyone. If you pay the same percent, then no one gets a benefit.

    9% of $25K is a lot less than 9% of $500K.

    It would get rid of a lot of taxes paid and it would also allow people to have other income that are tax free.

    The rich already pay a higher tax percentage than the poor.

    Why do people hate the rich so? If someone can get out there and make a business and get rich, has family money and is rich, more power to them.
    You think it is fair that someone who is a millionaire parts the same tax rate as someone who barely makes $20K?

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    05-13-2015 04:43 PM
  22. A895's Avatar
    So do people think that torture methods for questioning some isn't happening now or hasn't always happened?

    Torture of those working to kill Americans, plotting to kill Americans, helping to kill Americans, is very, very low on my list of things to be concerned about.

    I'm more concerned about the Taliban 5 that have been released to Qatar, a supporter of terrorism. Releasing them is a crime against humanity.

    They should have been executed.
    I don't executing them would have been too effective is someone wants to retaliate.

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    05-13-2015 04:44 PM
  23. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    You think it is fair that someone who is a millionaire parts the same tax rate as someone who barely makes $20K?

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    So you don't understand how percentage works?

    If there is a flat rate, you all pay the same percentage. You make more money, the if 10% is the rate, you pay more dollars than someone paying 10% on less money.

    It is just like sales tax. You pay the same percentage, the amount you pay, varies on the cost of the item.

    We don't have flat percentage rates now. The more you make the higher percent you pay.

    Going back to sales tax, that is like saying, if you buy a $10 item you pay 8% sales tax, but in you buy a $500 item, you should pay 30% tax rate.

    No, all should be 8%.

    With a flat rate, deductions wouldn't exist and people wouldn't have to pay death, gift, etc tax and everyone's dollar amount they paid would be different, but the percent would be the same.

    You think it is fair to pay a higher sales tax rate on higher priced items because you can afford a higher priced item?

    Everyone pays the same sales tax rate, income tax should be the same. It is based on percentage.
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    05-13-2015 04:50 PM
  24. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    I don't executing them would have been too effective is someone wants to retaliate.

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    Sure it is effective. They should execute as many of them as they can. There are ways to stop this, we have done it in the past. But again, it takes a long time, it takes keeping Americans in the place and it generally takes a generation and takes things the public doesn't have the stomach for.

    Even without the above, executing them is much better than returning high ranking soldiers back to the fight.
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    05-13-2015 04:55 PM
  25. A895's Avatar
    So you don't understand how percentage works?

    If there is a flat rate, you all pay the same percentage. You make more money, the if 10% is the rate, you pay more dollars than someone paying 10% on less money.

    It is just like sales tax. You pay the same percentage, the amount you pay, varies on the cost of the item.

    We don't have flat percentage rates now. The more you make the higher percent you pay.

    Going back to sales tax, that is like saying, if you buy a $10 item you pay 8% sales tax, but in you buy a $500 item, you should pay 30% tax rate.

    No, all should be 8%.

    With a flat rate, deductions wouldn't exist and people wouldn't have to pay death, gift, etc tax and everyone's dollar amount they paid would be different, but the percent would be the same.

    You think it is fair to pay a higher sales tax rate on higher priced items because you can afford a higher priced item?

    Everyone pays the same sales tax rate, income tax should be the same. It is based on percentage.
    Sales tax rate is different than income. That always varies state by state. Income though should be be fair towards how much you make. Fair tax lowers taxes on the rich and that isn't right.

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    05-13-2015 06:14 PM
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