06-22-2015 04:39 PM
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  1. anon8126715's Avatar
    I've never lost health care when I left a job. Actually, even if fired they have to let you stay on the plan for 18 months. That is what COBRA accomplished.

    I would say one thing that needs to change is COBRA payments shouldn't be so high, because they are high.

    They already tried the ACA under Romney, when he was governor, that plan was what the ACA was based on.

    Guess what? Everyone has insurance, most can't get appointments, primary care doctors are disappearing, ER visits have skyrocketed and they are mainly for non-emergency issues, and health care costs has gone up.

    You don't throw a bandaid on an artery that is ripped open. You have to fix the problem. A bandaid makes it worse. That is what has happened with the ACA. There was no negotiating with that piece of legislation, it was pushed through with nothing to stop it or change it.

    Government isn't supposed to be in the health care business. Our federal government is already way out of control. They have been overstepping their responsibility since FDR and the New Deal.

    You mentioned the middle class.. What middle class? It has been very quickly disappearing in the last 6 years.
    6 years? haha wow, yeah you're not right-wing.... Try "it has been very quickly disappearing since that piece of garbage Reagan took office" and you might be more credible.
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    05-13-2015 06:14 PM
  2. anon8126715's Avatar
    The rich already pay a higher tax percentage than the poor.

    Why do people hate the rich so? If someone can get out there and make a business and get rich, has family money and is rich, more power to them.
    Umm, the rich pay higher taxes because they have inflated their salaries so high. Look at the rich back in the 50s (the time most of you right-wing tea baggers thought was "full of prosperity"), their salaries were 5-10 times higher than their employees' salaries, now they're several hundred times more. And they go from being taxed at almost 80-90 percent to now about what 15-20%?

    Why do you want to shelter the rich so much? If you're not making over $250,000 a year then you're just a puppet that's being played as far as I'm concerned, and you're part of the reason for our lost middle class.

    Finally, talking about "progressive talking points", you're regurgitating tea bagger talking points so I don't see what the point is, other than you closing your mind to his points, which is a typical tea-bagger reaction btw.
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    05-13-2015 06:29 PM
  3. anon8126715's Avatar
    If people are serious about justice, they will go after war criminals no matter where they live.

    In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if President Obama turned George W. Bush over to an international tribunal to answer for war crimes.

    What I don't understand is the delay. You would want a trial as soon as possible to interview witnesses while their memories are still fresh and evidence is readily available.

    I don't see how waiting is better.
    Could it be because all politicians are pretty much part of the same social clique?
    05-13-2015 06:31 PM
  4. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Fair tax lowers taxes on the rich and that isn't right.
    It lowers the tax burden on everyone. Well every legal earner, that is. Those working under the table and illegal aliens would see an increase because they are cheating the system. So what if it lowers the tax burden on the rich if it's untaxing the poor and lowers the cost of living for most people, while making the U.S. the most attractive place to own a business? You're going to let a potential lower tax burden on the rich be the sticking point that keeps you from wanting to help so many?
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    05-13-2015 06:32 PM
  5. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Sales tax rate is different than income. That always varies state by state. Income though should be be fair towards how much you make. Fair tax lowers taxes on the rich and that isn't right.

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    Sigh.. If everyone pays 10% everyone pays the same.

    The rich pay the largest amount of the taxes now.
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    05-13-2015 06:49 PM
  6. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    It lowers the tax burden on everyone. Well every legal earner, that is. Those working under the table and illegal aliens would see an increase because they are cheating the system. So what if it lowers the tax burden on the rich if it's untaxing the poor and lowers the cost of living for most people, while making the U.S. the most attractive place to own a business? You're going to let a potential lower tax burden on the rich be the sticking point that keeps you from wanting to help so many?
    The reason for the issue is some people think the rich are evil and should pay for everyone.
    05-13-2015 06:50 PM
  7. A895's Avatar
    It lowers the tax burden on everyone. Well every legal earner, that is. Those working under the table and illegal aliens would see an increase because they are cheating the system. So what if it lowers the tax burden on the rich if it's untaxing the poor and lowers the cost of living for most people, while making the U.S. the most attractive place to own a business? You're going to let a potential lower tax burden on the rich be the sticking point that keeps you from wanting to help so many?
    So why can't we just have low taxes on less income and high taxes on more income? What's the issue? Why are people defending lower taxes for people who could find that tax money in a couch somewhere?

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    05-13-2015 06:55 PM
  8. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Umm, the rich pay higher taxes because they have inflated their salaries so high. Look at the rich back in the 50s (the time most of you right-wing tea baggers thought was "full of prosperity"), their salaries were 5-10 times higher than their employees' salaries, now they're several hundred times more. And they go from being taxed at almost 80-90 percent to now about what 15-20%?

    Why do you want to shelter the rich so much? If you're not making over $250,000 a year then you're just a puppet that's being played as far as I'm concerned, and you're part of the reason for our lost middle class.

    Finally, talking about "progressive talking points", you're regurgitating tea bagger talking points so I don't see what the point is, other than you closing your mind to his points, which is a typical tea-bagger reaction btw.
    Actually no, I'm not regurgitating "tea-bagger" points. Nice how you throw a derogatory term out there.

    My views are this..

    Constitution above all.

    Smaller federal government.

    You don't have to agree with my rights, but leave them alone.

    I might not agree with your rights but I'll stand up and support your right to exercise your rights, even if I hate when you are expressing.

    I don't care what you do, as long as it doesn't affect me.

    If we had true capitalism and a true free market, our economy would flourish, salaries for jobs would be very competitive, consumer and business owner would both benefit.

    If I own a private business, the government should stay out of it. I will hire, fire and do business with whomever I want for what ever reasons I choose.
    05-13-2015 06:56 PM
  9. A895's Avatar
    Sigh.. If everyone pays 10% everyone pays the same.

    The rich pay the largest amount of the taxes now.
    As they should. No reason to lower their taxes.

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    05-13-2015 06:56 PM
  10. A895's Avatar
    The reason for the issue is some people think the rich are evil and should pay for everyone.
    You are taking words and putting them where you want. The rich don't have financial issues so what good does it do to lower their faces besides lining their pickets more and increasing the gap between the rich and poor?

    Conservatives do anything to line the pockets of the rich for some reason that escapes me.

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    05-13-2015 06:58 PM
  11. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    6 years? haha wow, yeah you're not right-wing.... Try "it has been very quickly disappearing since that piece of garbage Reagan took office" and you might be more credible.
    Actually you are wrong there. The middle class was doing well under Clinton and since Obama has been in office, it has been basically destroyed.

    What if I told you.. You can dislike Obama and not be a right winger?

    What if I also told you, you don't have to be right or left? Our Founding Fathers were much more moderate. I tend to agree with how our Founding Fathers set things up.
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    05-13-2015 06:58 PM
  12. A895's Avatar
    Actually no, I'm not regurgitating "tea-bagger" points. Nice how you throw a derogatory term out there.

    My views are this..

    Constitution above all.

    Smaller federal government.

    If I own a private business, the government should stay out of it. I will hire, fire and do business with whomever I want for what ever reasons I choose.
    No you are literally quoting several well known Republican talking points. Talking points that are so repeated over and over they ring hallow. Republicans don't want small government and yet want to wage war and spend billions a year on defense and the military.

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    05-13-2015 07:05 PM
  13. A895's Avatar
    Actually you are wrong there. The middle class was doing well under Clinton and since Obama has been in office, it has been basically destroyed.

    What if I told you.. You can dislike Obama and not be a right winger?

    What if I also told you, you don't have to be right or left? Our Founding Fathers were much more moderate. I tend to agree with how our Founding Fathers set things up.
    What if I told you are writing GOP talking points word for word?

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    05-13-2015 07:09 PM
  14. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    So why can't we just have low taxes on less income and high taxes on more income? What's the issue? Why are people defending lower taxes for people who could find that tax money in a couch somewhere?

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    Why should anyone have to pay a higher rate? If they make more money they will still pay more tax dollars.

    What do you not understand about this?

    Everyone paying 10% of their income is fair.

    Someone paying 5% of their income or getting money back when they didn't pay a dime and others paying 25% is not fair.

    Let's use your logic.. You should pay the tax burden of people that make less than you.

    Is that fair? Why should you have to carry someone else just because you have more money than them?

    That is socialism at its finest.
    05-13-2015 07:14 PM
  15. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    As they should. No reason to lower their taxes.

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    And why should the rich pay a higher percentage?

    A flat rate and the rich will still pay the most taxes of any.

    Why do you think you have the right to take something from anyone?
    05-13-2015 07:16 PM
  16. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    No you are literally quoting several well known Republican talking points. Talking points that are so repeated over and over they ring hallow. Republicans don't want small government and yet want to wage war and spend billions a year on defense and the military.

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    No actually I am not.

    I didn't quote anyone.

    I want a small government.

    I want gay marriage.

    I want the Constitution adhered to.

    I want a true free market and true capitalism.

    I want term limits.

    I want lobbyists outlawed.

    I think pot should be legal.

    I think non-violent crimes should focus on rehabilitation.

    I want my gun rights left alone.

    I want people that have illegal gun charges to get a serious sentence, not a slap on the wrist.

    I want government to limit welfare.

    I want any welfare for anyone that is able-bodied to focus on job training and helping them to start small businesses.

    I want the government to give small businesses tax breaks and other incintivites to small business owners.

    I want all the tax breaks for huge companies to stop.

    Sorry, I don't fall into the left or right category.

    The far left always calls me a tea bagger as has been done here. The far right always calls me a liberal.

    I am neither, I am much more moderate than anything.

    Equality isn't just about marriage, it also means everyone gets the same tax rate and no tax breaks. It is fair for EVERYONE.
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    05-13-2015 07:24 PM
  17. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    What if I told you are writing GOP talking points word for word?

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    I would tell you that you are incorrect. The GOP thinks I'm too liberal.
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    05-13-2015 07:25 PM
  18. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I want a true free market and true capitalism.

    I want the government to give small businesses tax breaks and other incintivites to small business owners.

    I want all the tax breaks for huge companies to stop.
    I agree with a lot of your views, but do you see the hypocrisy (intended or not, I don't know) in these three statements? You can't be truly free market while using the government to promote one business over another. This also goes against your flat tax support, which is basically what our current system started out as.

    That's why I support the Fair Tax over a flat tax. The Fair Tax eliminates all corporate taxes, putting all of them on a better footing. You could still give businesses incentives, but they would be listed on the expense side of the budget. A $10,000 small business tax credit and a $10,000 government grant to the same business is the same result in the end. Only with the latter, it can't be hidden in a complicated tax code and is more open to public scrutiny.

    I believe government shouldn't be in the business of picking winners and losers, and the Fair Tax is the best tax plan right now that end.
    05-13-2015 08:22 PM
  19. A895's Avatar
    Why should anyone have to pay a higher rate? If they make more money they will still pay more tax dollars.

    What do you not understand about this?

    Everyone paying 10% of their income is fair.

    Someone paying 5% of their income or getting money back when they didn't pay a dime and others paying 25% is not fair.

    Let's use your logic.. You should pay the tax burden of people that make less than you.

    Is that fair? Why should you have to carry someone else just because you have more money than them?

    That is socialism at its finest.
    You don't know the definition of socialism. That isn't socialism. And why shouldn't the rich pay more taxes? You still haven't given a reason besides, "it isn't fair". They can handle it, what's the issue?

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    05-14-2015 05:35 AM
  20. A895's Avatar
    And why should the rich pay a higher percentage?

    A flat rate and the rich will still pay the most taxes of any.

    Why do you think you have the right to take something from anyone?
    Oh, come on. "Wah, wah, wah, I'm rich and I pay taxes, my god, I won't be able to buy that mansion this year". Lol. Everyone pays taxes, so what?

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    05-14-2015 05:37 AM
  21. A895's Avatar
    No actually I am not.

    I didn't quote anyone.

    I want a small government.

    I want gay marriage.

    I want the Constitution adhered to.

    I want a true free market and true capitalism.

    I want term limits.

    I want lobbyists outlawed.

    I think pot should be legal.

    I think non-violent crimes should focus on rehabilitation.

    I want my gun rights left alone.

    I want people that have illegal gun charges to get a serious sentence, not a slap on the wrist.

    I want government to limit welfare.

    I want any welfare for anyone that is able-bodied to focus on job training and helping them to start small businesses.

    I want the government to give small businesses tax breaks and other incintivites to small business owners.

    I want all the tax breaks for huge companies to stop.

    Sorry, I don't fall into the left or right category.

    The far left always calls me a tea bagger as has been done here. The far right always calls me a liberal.

    I am neither, I am much more moderate than anything.

    Equality isn't just about marriage, it also means everyone gets the same tax rate and no tax breaks. It is fair for EVERYONE.
    No one is complaining about our current tax system except conservatives because they have been advocating for the rich for some reason. It does no good for the common man for someone who makes more than them to get tax breaks. Period.

    I disagree on the guns rights, we need to clamp down on gun rights ASAP. People need to come to the 21st century, there isn't a need for everyone to carry a gun or really need one. A lot of countries have outlawed guns period or restricted them and have a much lower gun crime rate. And giving illegal gun holders a longer sentence is frivolous. That's like giving someone with a dime bag a longer sentence. Laws like that hurt minorities more than anyone.

    There is no such thing as a true free market and capitalism. And how do you want less government but want more government intervention in small business?

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    05-14-2015 05:46 AM
  22. A895's Avatar
    I would tell you that you are incorrect. The GOP thinks I'm too liberal.
    No, you definitely said a few GOP talking points. You don't come off as liberal in any sense.

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    05-14-2015 05:46 AM
  23. Mooncatt's Avatar
    You don't know the definition of socialism. That isn't socialism. And why shouldn't the rich pay more taxes? You still haven't given a reason besides, "it isn't fair". They can handle it, what's the issue?
    Then what is your definition of socialism? While you're at it, why do you think the rich should pay higher tax rates? And "because they can afford it" isn't a reason. Just because something can be done, doesn't mean it should be done.
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    05-14-2015 06:02 AM
  24. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    I agree with a lot of your views, but do you see the hypocrisy (intended or not, I don't know) in these three statements? You can't be truly free market while using the government to promote one business over another. This also goes against your flat tax support, which is basically what our current system started out as.

    That's why I support the Fair Tax over a flat tax. The Fair Tax eliminates all corporate taxes, putting all of them on a better footing. You could still give businesses incentives, but they would be listed on the expense side of the budget. A $10,000 small business tax credit and a $10,000 government grant to the same business is the same result in the end. Only with the latter, it can't be hidden in a complicated tax code and is more open to public scrutiny.

    I believe government shouldn't be in the business of picking winners and losers, and the Fair Tax is the best tax plan right now that end.
    Giving tax breaks for small businesses isn't promoting one over the other. In Atlanta, GA they did an incentive program there. Property tax breaks for people that rented empty buildings to local individuals at a lower rent cost and other things to help grow back the once thriving city that was dying, to build back the economy and downtown there.

    It worked and worked well. Helping small businesses grow will help the economy. Because of all the breaks big business has gotten for so long for now and all the things against small businesses, they don't have a chance right now.

    Now this could be done at the state level, if States will do it.

    Hindering small business hurts innovation, business growth, job creation and the economy.

    Imagine if Apple had started in a garage right now. With the hostile environment toward small business, they never would have made it.

    Look at all the job creation from.tjat small business. There are so many companies like Apple that started as a small business and grew to monsters and created thousands of jobs.

    Until our economy gets back on track, small business will need incentives. While big businesses may have a lot of employees, they don't add to the work force, small business does. When the economy gets better, and there is less hostility to small businesses, small business owners won't need any incentives.

    In my city, we have a lot of local programs to help small business, we handle it at the city, county and state level. Everyone doesn't do that.
    05-14-2015 06:44 AM
  25. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    No, you definitely said a few GOP talking points. You don't come off as liberal in any sense.

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    I never claimed to be liberal.

    Yeah, thinking gay marriage should be legal, pot should be legal and none violent offenders should be focused on rehabilitation are all such big GOP views, right? The GOP is out there fighting for those things all the time, huh?
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    05-14-2015 06:48 AM
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