06-22-2015 04:39 PM
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  1. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    And we were on such a roll. One is more inept than the average politician, and one is just outright more evil than the average politician.

    What I find ironic about Cheney is that he's almost the perfect right wing candidate except for the fact that he has a lesbian daughter and for some reason can be empathetic towards her interests but when it comes to other minority groups, he's cold and indifferent.
    I'm still done with the convo with you on this subject. I thought you understood that. I just didn't want you wasting your time composing several posts to me that I'm not reading.

    Have a nice day.
    05-20-2015 06:11 PM
  2. anon8126715's Avatar
    You certainly have the right to dislike Bush and Cheney, but I will note that your characterization of the Taliban as a terrorist group has not changed. The Taliban massacres civilians, engages in human trafficking, and oppresses those under their rule, especially women.

    What I don't understand is your appeasement of the Taliban.
    Lets see, the Crusades, Slavery, attempting to ban gay marriage and healthcare, and insisting that women be "obedient" to their husbands. Do you have the same appeasement for Christians that he might have for the Taliban?
    05-20-2015 06:11 PM
  3. anon8126715's Avatar
    "Educate yourself" type replies are pretty insulting to say the least. Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they haven't studied up on the issue.

    And now your reply, which follows a trend I see mostly from the left regarding political discourse. Snark and sarcasm doesn't win debates or change anyone's opinions. It just makes you look like a fool if that's what you have to resort to. Heck, the whole idea of "pardoning" GWB that started this thread is evidence of that.
    Are you saying that Scott's post was snark and sarcasm?
    05-20-2015 06:14 PM
  4. anon8126715's Avatar
    I'm still done with the convo with you on this subject. I thought you understood that. I just didn't want you wasting your time composing several posts to me that I'm not reading.

    Have a nice day.
    I don't recall saying you were done with "me" on this topic. I'm sure there are others that agree with your perspective, which is why I replied.

    Most centrists will agree that while Obama has come up short with some of his campaign promises (like a lot of politicians), they would most likely concede that we're better off as a country than we were when Bush left office. Granted, I suspect that while you claim not to be right wing, you're 100% behind the statement made by the GOP chairman, Rush Limbaugh when he said that he wants Obama to fail. To me that was a perfect example of what you claimed you hated, people putting politics ahead of country. Considering Obama put in place the very healthcare plan that was first introduced by Republicans many years ago, but was still fought tooth and nail by the Republicans, that tells me all I need to know about the GOP's strategy. Fortunately, we have much better ways of tracking the failure/success of a president's tenure. History will not vindicate Bush via the revisionists that tried to paint the Reagan years as some sort of golden age. I'm old enough to have lived through those years and it was a struggle, despite what some people would say.
    05-20-2015 06:25 PM
  5. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Are you saying that Scott's post was snark and sarcasm?
    Which one? The last few of his have been ok on that front in this thread.

    And before anyone jumps the gun, I said that trend is *mostly* from the left. I know it happens from every political viewpoint now and then, but it's most prevalent from the left/liberal/progressive/take-your-pick side of things. I personally try to avoid it, which is why you don't see me saying things like making pornographic references to the Tea Party and the like. Or making slurs like "Obummer." I view it like swearing; it says a lot about your ideals if you can't even debate them without resulting to insults.
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    05-20-2015 06:27 PM
  6. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Considering Obama put in place the very healthcare plan that was first introduced by Republicans many years ago, but was still fought tooth and nail by the Republicans, that tells me all I need to know about the GOP's strategy.
    The problem with this point is Romney was making use of his state's right to pursue that sort of plan (assuming of course it was in line with the MA state constitution), which had a lot of problems including doctors leaving the state. Whereas the Federal government didn't have the constitutional authority to enact such a program, specifically the insurance mandates. While I don't like the idea behind the two plans, I do acknowledge the different legalities of them.
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    05-20-2015 06:38 PM
  7. anon8126715's Avatar
    Which one? The last few of his have been ok on that front in this thread.

    And before anyone jumps the gun, I said that trend is *mostly* from the left. I know it happens from every political viewpoint now and then, but it's most prevalent from the left/liberal/progressive/take-your-pick side of things. I personally try to avoid it, which is why you don't see me saying things like making pornographic references to the Tea Party and the like. Or making slurs like "Obummer." I view it like swearing; it says a lot about your ideals if you can't even debate them without resulting to insults.
    You know to some people what you have posted in other threads can be considered "snark and sarcasm", even if it's via proxy.

    Well things like this didn't take long either.

    Apparently the Bunny Ranch officially endorses Hillary now and has a rather amusing catch phrase that I won't repeat here in case it would violate the forum rules. If this is a sign of things to come, it's certainly going to be an interesting race.
    I personally don't mind wearing my big boy pants when it comes to these types of discussions. Then again the same thing goes when I talk about sports. I actually once had a manager that would talk trash about the Dallas Cowboys on a consistent basis. She was a New Orleans Saints fan (living in the Dallas/Fort Worth area mind you). I made one comment about the Saints having Bounty paper towels as their official paper towel (this was shortly after the NFL fined them for their bounties). She acted as if I had just pushed her grand mother down a flight of stairs. I don't understand how some people can try to talk up their point of view, but then when someone challenges that point of view, they get sensitive.
    05-20-2015 06:45 PM
  8. Mooncatt's Avatar
    If you remember the general idea of that thread...

    This is strictly about the candidates, their chances, their gaffes and their debates. Thank you!
    That thread had several posts discussing different items marking this as a potentially exciting race, to which those two you quoted were about. I wasn't debating anything in those, whereas A895 was.
    05-20-2015 07:15 PM
  9. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    I don't understand how some people can try to talk up their point of view, but then when someone challenges that point of view, they get sensitive.
    I'm not sensitive. So you understand where I am coming from.. As an Ambassador at AC and member of the Team here, I won't be getting into a heated discussion. When posts by someone start turning towards personal statements about me, then I'm done with the discussion with that person.

    YMMV, but Team Members here do not engage in heated debates. I am a person, just like you, when there are ad hominems about myself thrown around, if I continue that convo, I can also get upset, so I stop it.

    If you or anyone else have any other statements or questions about why I cut off the discussion on this subject with you or themselves, please pm me.

    Thanks!
    05-20-2015 08:55 PM
  10. A895's Avatar
    "Educate yourself" type replies are pretty insulting to say the least. Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they haven't studied up on the issue.

    And now your reply, which follows a trend I see mostly from the left regarding political discourse. Snark and sarcasm doesn't win debates or change anyone's opinions. It just makes you look like a fool if that's what you have to resort to. Heck, the whole idea of "pardoning" GWB that started this thread is evidence of that.
    I didn't say "educate yourself". I said learn more about Bush's actions and policies and how they affected Obamas presidency so much. But everyone took offense to that. Whatever.

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    05-20-2015 09:05 PM
  11. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I didn't say "educate yourself". I said learn more about Bush's actions and policies and how they affected Obamas presidency so much. But everyone took offense to that. Whatever.
    You used more than two words, yes, but that's essentially what you said.
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    05-20-2015 09:16 PM
  12. anon8126715's Avatar
    I didn't say "educate yourself". I said learn more about Bush's actions and policies and how they affected Obamas presidency so much. But everyone took offense to that. Whatever.

    Posted via Razr M on the Android Central App
    Isn't it funny how you can infer what some people say and they snap at you with ferocity, but when they do the same thing, it's fair play?
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    05-20-2015 10:25 PM
  13. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Educate yourself... (In the general sense, not directly quoting you)

    Learn more about...

    There's no difference. Also, I made the point that it's possible she could have studied up on that issue but had a different opinion.
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    05-20-2015 10:35 PM
  14. A895's Avatar
    You used more than two words, yes, but that's essentially what you said.
    And? What's the issue?

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    05-21-2015 08:05 AM
  15. A895's Avatar
    Educate yourself... (In the general sense, not directly quoting you)

    Learn more about...

    There's no difference. Also, I made the point that it's possible she could have studied up on that issue but had a different opinion.
    Then she could have said that instead of rage quitting. I don't see why everyone gets twisted up if someone challenges them. This is politics. We all have different opinions and words to say. And to even say it was heated is even more wrong because no one raging out or becoming incomprehensible.

    But now we spent several posts on how my discussion etiquette all of a sudden went to far, so there. Let's get back on topic folks.

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    05-21-2015 08:08 AM
  16. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Then she could have said that instead of rage quitting. I don't see why everyone gets twisted up if someone challenges them. This is politics. We all have different opinions and words to say. And to even say it was heated is even more wrong because no one raging out or becoming incomprehensible.

    But now we spent several posts on how my discussion etiquette all of a sudden went to far, so there. Let's get back on topic folks.

    Posted via Razr M on the Android Central App
    Again A895, did you see the post I did above about this? I asked if anyone, and that includes you, have anything to say about or questions about why I cut the convo off with you two, please message me. Did you miss that post?

    So again, if you have anything to say about me not discussing this subject with you, I would prefer you pm me. There was no "rage quitting" at all. Discussing with someone else, me not having this political discussion with you, isn't going to go anywhere.

    Now I am directly asking you.. If you have any questions or discussion about me stopping this discussion with you, send me a message.

    Thanks
    05-21-2015 11:11 AM
  17. anon8126715's Avatar
    Then she could have said that instead of rage quitting. I don't see why everyone gets twisted up if someone challenges them. This is politics. We all have different opinions and words to say. And to even say it was heated is even more wrong because no one raging out or becoming incomprehensible.

    But now we spent several posts on how my discussion etiquette all of a sudden went to far, so there. Let's get back on topic folks.

    Posted via Razr M on the Android Central App
    What's funny is the topic was on pardoning GWB, then someone (whose name shall be omitted as they have rage-quit) tried to insist that Obama was somehow just as guilty as GWB despite hard evidence that shows GWB and Cheney were responsible for the torture that took place (not to mention the fact that Obama has stated with no uncertainty that "Advanced Interrogations" were to be stopped immediately). Me and you question that line of thinking, and somehow we get called out. Interesting.....
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    05-21-2015 12:21 PM
  18. Scott7217's Avatar
    I guess I am the only one who doesn't see the point of further provoking terrorist groups. Not to mention the act of executing 5 people. But that is just me.
    You don't even have to resort to executions to provoke the Taliban. The Taliban is upset over girls who simply want to go to school. Members of the Taliban will throw acid into the faces of female students.

    What would you say to a girl who has been severely injured and permanently disfigured by the Taliban?

    If you have a problem with executions, then perhaps imprisonment may be a better solution to handle Taliban terrorists. At least they won't be able to hurt anyone with acid.
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    05-21-2015 02:21 PM
  19. A895's Avatar
    You don't even have to resort to executions to provoke the Taliban. The Taliban is upset over girls who simply want to go to school. Members of the Taliban will throw acid into the faces of female students.

    What would you say to a girl who has been severely injured and permanently disfigured by the Taliban?

    If you have a problem with executions, then perhaps imprisonment may be a better solution to handle Taliban terrorists. At least they won't be able to hurt anyone with acid.
    That is also a good idea, but what can you do with terrorists? Most would say kill them all.

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    05-21-2015 04:38 PM
  20. Scott7217's Avatar
    That is also a good idea, but what can you do with terrorists? Most would say kill them all.
    Maybe we should ask the girls who had acid thrown into their face by the Taliban. They might be able to tell us what would be the appropriate punishment.

    Honestly, if I met one of those girls, I wouldn't feel right to tell her that we released a member of the group that literally scarred her for life.

    At least you agree that imprisonment is a good idea. If the girls say lock up all the Taliban and throw away the key, I have no problem with that.
    05-21-2015 04:54 PM
  21. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Maybe we should ask the girls who had acid thrown into their face by the Taliban. They might be able to tell us what would be the appropriate punishment.

    Honestly, if I met one of those girls, I wouldn't feel right to tell her that we released a member of the group that literally scarred her for life.

    At least you agree that imprisonment is a good idea. If the girls say lock up all the Taliban and throw away the key, I have no problem with that.
    Problem is.. We had a bunch of Taliban in prison. Several have been released and five were released illegally, when Congress said "no" twice.

    Putting them in prison seems to be no guarantee they will stay.
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    05-21-2015 07:36 PM
  22. anon8126715's Avatar
    Maybe we should ask the girls who had acid thrown into their face by the Taliban. They might be able to tell us what would be the appropriate punishment.

    Honestly, if I met one of those girls, I wouldn't feel right to tell her that we released a member of the group that literally scarred her for life.

    At least you agree that imprisonment is a good idea. If the girls say lock up all the Taliban and throw away the key, I have no problem with that.
    I know this may seem like a radical idea, but what if we tried to figure out why they hate us and use that to diffuse them in that regard? Instead we continue to perpetuate the evil with more evil.

    Not you specifically, but I find it interesting that in a country that claims allegiance to Christianity, many of its people have no problems with killing other people.
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    05-21-2015 08:10 PM
  23. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I know this may seem like a radical idea, but what if we tried to figure out why they hate us and use that to diffuse them in that regard? Instead we continue to perpetuate the evil with more evil.
    I'm pretty sure they hate us simply because we don't believe in their religion and for our freedoms. In their minds, the only solution is destruction or conversion of the U.S.
    05-21-2015 11:03 PM
  24. A895's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure they hate us simply because we don't believe in their religion and for our freedoms. In their minds, the only solution is destruction or conversion of the U.S.
    Have we actually confirmed that? Or is that just the rhetoric we are told? I highly doubt thousands of people only believe this and only this. I think they just don't want the U.S. involved in the Middle East period. Something a lot of people want. And I do know for a fact some people from the Middle East or envious of the U.S. and its rise to being the #1 Superpower in a couple hundred years. Compare that to few hundred years or more the Middle East was the cream of the crop and they are now considered third world. That would cause some understandable resentment.

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    05-22-2015 02:04 AM
  25. Scott7217's Avatar
    Problem is.. We had a bunch of Taliban in prison. Several have been released and five were released illegally, when Congress said "no" twice.
    It's certainly a problem, especially if former prisoners decide to go back to the Taliban and continue to fight.

    We would probably continue to monitor anyone who is released. If they elect to become enemy combatants, we would have to eliminate them, probably via a drone strike.
    05-22-2015 03:31 AM
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