1. PsychDoc's Avatar
    Do we continue to beat the drum and try endless investigations to get this monster on something or do we move on and do everything possible to beat the living crap out of him in 2020?

    A couple of things are now clear. This guy is the most despicable human being (I use the term loosely) to ever inhabit the WH. He's also incredibly skilled at getting away with virtually everything he does. His approval ratings will probably soar over the next week or two with these tragically flawed Mueller results and our task in a year and a half becomes even more formidable today than it was 48 hours ago.

    I would caution the Dems to avoid endless and, most probably, fruitless investigations as they will lead nowhere and further fuel the view that Simpleton is a brave American hounded mercilessly by foaming-at-the-mouth adversaries. His poll numbers will just continue to rise if that is the case. There's nothing like a strongman acting as a martyr to inspire his sheeple.

    Instead, we need to let other Americans know that we recognize his overall unfitness for office and let it be known that we offer a more hopeful, yet down-to-earth vision of what our country can and must be.

    The question is who can effectively deliver this message and get this cancer out of office come January 2021. Right now I'm torn between Klobuchar, Biden and Harris. Biden looks like the best bet right now but that may change. I absolutely ADORE Pete Buttigieg but I'm not sure he's electable and right now, and there's simply nothing more important than winning this thing. What will not change is that Democrats need to stop worshiping at the alter of so-called Political Correctness. The endless apology tours over slights so ludicrously slight they're almost humorous is nauseating and has to STOP!!!!!
    03-25-2019 06:31 AM
  2. Mooncatt's Avatar
    The problem with the Muller investigation is that it's not how our legal system is supposed to work. The way it should go is, a crime is committed and investigators work to find out who did it. In this case, it's the reverse. Democrats are investigating Trump, looking for a crime. If you believe so badly that a crime was committed and Trump is the perpetrator, a reasonable person would assume that means you have some information linking the two and should report it to the authorities.

    Like him or not, investigating Trump for two years looking for a crime with no evidence being presented is violating his constitutional rights. So yes, the democrats should just drop it.

    As for the Democrats trying to win the elections, my advice is to be consistent. Every time I turn around, they are changing their terms in political discussions. First it was global cooling, then global warming, and now simply climate change. They keep renaming guns like the AR-15 as assault weapons, assault rifles (which is a defined term for fully automatic rifles not available to the public already), and now weapons of war. I've debated many of them, and it's like trying to nail Jello to a wall. Now that they don't like the results of long established election rules, they are trying to change the rules (I.e. removing the electoral college) to benefit them, rather than coming out with a message that more people would actually vote for. They have become a party of division that insists on putting everyone into a special group. Straight vs gay. White vs black. Rich vs poor. Normal (I refuse to use the term "cis") vs trans. How about just recognize we're all in this together and treat everyone with the same respect?

    Also, stop with the insults. This actually applies to both sides, but I see it more from democrats. If you want to debate someone, debate the topic at hand. If you start insulting the subject (I.e. President Trump) or the person you're debating with, it means you have nothing else substantial to discuss and have pretty much lost the debate.
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    03-25-2019 07:11 AM
  3. TechTimid's Avatar
    Do we continue to beat the drum and try endless investigations to get this monster on something or do we move on and do everything possible to beat the living crap out of him in 2020? I would caution the Dems to avoid endless and, most probably, fruitless investigations as they will lead nowhere and further fuel the view that Simpleton is a brave American hounded mercilessly by foaming-at-the-mouth adversaries. The question is who can effectively deliver this message and get this cancer out of office come January 2021. Right now I'm torn between Klobuchar, Biden and Harris. Biden looks like the best bet right now but that may change. I absolutely ADORE Pete Buttigieg but I'm not sure he's electable and right now, and there's simply nothing more important than winning this thing. What will not change is that Democrats need to stop worshiping at the alter of so-called Political Correctness. The endless apology tours over slights so ludicrously slight they're almost humorous is nauseating and has to STOP!!!!!
    Let me start by saying I am not very politically minded and don't claim to know all the legalities of what is done in Washington, but I do vote, am American born and raised, and want the best for my country and its people. I'm older now, in my 60s, so many things decided may not affect me personally, but it will affect many others.

    I don't care much for either party, both can be extreme in certain areas and close-minded or rigid in their beliefs. I think it's always important to have some kind of balance of power in government, so one side doesn't go off the deep end and do too much damage. Either side should always be kept in check.

    Investigations by both parties can be overdone, wasn't investigations against H. Clinton constant, and they were always trying to get something on Obama to get him kicked out of office? I think there is some validity of the investigation to see if there was Russian interference, either by computer or otherwise into the last election, or any US election really, that should not continue, although I understand we do the same thing with other countries, not sure what the facts are on that. I think the full report should be available to the public so all who choose to read it can, it's better to have an opinion of what's in there from more than one side of the aisle (Barr).

    The problem with both parties, is that they don't seem to really care about all Americans when they run for office. Whoever runs for president should get out to people across America when they campaign, connect with people of all walks of life, occupations, skin colors, etc.

    The Dems couldn't care less about citizens who own farms and ranches in rural areas, about those who legally and responsibly own firearms whether it be for hunting, protection, collecting or just fun target practice. They don't show much regard to those Americans who weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths, who worked very hard all their lives to have a nice home, own property and make a good life for their families even after they die.

    Republicans don't appear to care much or connect to those in the inner cities, people of color, people who are struggling to pay their bills, etc. They make a fuss over providing financial assistance to citizens who need it, but wallets are wide open to support the military industrial complex. Also, they can't (or won't) separate religion from politics, and I think that's a big problem too.

    When I speak of Democrats or Republicans, I don't claim that my thoughts are of every single individual in each party of course, there are some exceptions and I think those in the middle in each party, not extreme left or right, are more like most everyday citizens.

    Couldn't agree more about the 'over the top' PC movement, enough is enough. I completely agree that nobody should ever use racial slurs or insulting names when it comes to people who are religious or have different sexual preferences, etc. But it's to the point that the PC thing is really excessive, and some of these apologies are not needed and shouldn't be made, Beto comes to mind about his wife and the kids.
    03-25-2019 11:22 AM
  4. trailrunner4L's Avatar
    This post is hilarious!! You're not going to "get him" or beat the crap out of him in 2020. You're going to have your clocked cleaned and then live with it for 4 more years.
    Do we continue to beat the drum and try endless investigations to get this monster on something or do we move on and do everything possible to beat the living crap out of him in 2020?

    A couple of things are now clear. This guy is the most despicable human being (I use the term loosely) to ever inhabit the WH. He's also incredibly skilled at getting away with virtually everything he does. His approval ratings will probably soar over the next week or two with these tragically flawed Mueller results and our task in a year and a half becomes even more formidable today than it was 48 hours ago.

    I would caution the Dems to avoid endless and, most probably, fruitless investigations as they will lead nowhere and further fuel the view that Simpleton is a brave American hounded mercilessly by foaming-at-the-mouth adversaries. His poll numbers will just continue to rise if that is the case. There's nothing like a strongman acting as a martyr to inspire his sheeple.

    Instead, we need to let other Americans know that we recognize his overall unfitness for office and let it be known that we offer a more hopeful, yet down-to-earth vision of what our country can and must be.

    The question is who can effectively deliver this message and get this cancer out of office come January 2021. Right now I'm torn between Klobuchar, Biden and Harris. Biden looks like the best bet right now but that may change. I absolutely ADORE Pete Buttigieg but I'm not sure he's electable and right now, and there's simply nothing more important than winning this thing. What will not change is that Democrats need to stop worshiping at the alter of so-called Political Correctness. The endless apology tours over slights so ludicrously slight they're almost humorous is nauseating and has to STOP!!!!!
    10-25-2019 03:20 PM
  5. PsychDoc's Avatar
    This post is hilarious!! You're not going to "get him" or beat the crap out of him in 2020. You're going to have your clocked cleaned and then live with it for 4 more years.
    So sad that you find this funny. Certainly doesn't reflect well on you. Are you really happy to have this clown represent our country?
    10-25-2019 03:35 PM
  6. trailrunner4L's Avatar
    Absolutely!!!
    So sad that you find this funny. Certainly doesn't reflect well on you. Are you really happy to have this clown represent our country?
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    10-25-2019 06:24 PM
  7. cardboard60's Avatar
    Ask yourself.
    Exactly what has the Democrats done in 3 yrs.
    They spent over 35 million dollars in the Russian investigation.
    And never got to the bottom of it.
    Mueller didnt even do the investigation.

    All the lawyers doing the investigation were Democrats.
    Now we are in a ukranian investigation.
    The fiser warrant was obtained illegally.

    Buy its o.k.

    Washington is corrupt because of the Democrats.


    Talking about hilary.
    How did she get away selling uranium to the Russians..
    We can't give everybody everything for free.

    If anybody likes socialism.
    Go to Venezuela and live.
    See how the government takes care of you.

    Trump is not a Politician.
    Hes a businessman.
    He has made a lot of improvements for a lot of people.
    If you went to college, or got a trade.
    There are jobs out in the market.
    If you didnt do either.
    Life is going to be tough on you.

    Why should the people who worked have to give everything to people who dont want to work.
    Punish people who has worked hard, so the people we want to party 24/7 can have the same thing as you.

    But you can continue to blame trump .
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    10-28-2019 09:07 PM
  8. trailrunner4L's Avatar
    Drops mic...
    Ask yourself.
    Exactly what has the Democrats done in 3 yrs.
    They spent over 35 million dollars in the Russian investigation.
    And never got to the bottom of it.
    Mueller didnt even do the investigation.

    All the lawyers doing the investigation were Democrats.
    Now we are in a ukranian investigation.
    The fiser warrant was obtained illegally.

    Buy its o.k.

    Washington is corrupt because of the Democrats.


    Talking about hilary.
    How did she get away selling uranium to the Russians..
    We can't give everybody everything for free.

    If anybody likes socialism.
    Go to Venezuela and live.
    See how the government takes care of you.

    Trump is not a Politician.
    Hes a businessman.
    He has made a lot of improvements for a lot of people.
    If you went to college, or got a trade.
    There are jobs out in the market.
    If you didnt do either.
    Life is going to be tough on you.

    Why should the people who worked have to give everything to people who dont want to work.
    Punish people who has worked hard, so the people we want to party 24/7 can have the same thing as you.

    But you can continue to blame trump .
    10-29-2019 03:44 PM
  9. ptkelly's Avatar
    PsychDoc: "Do we continue to beat the drum and try endless investigations to get this monster on something or do we move on and do everything possible to beat the living crap out of him in 2020?

    A couple of things are now clear. This guy is the most despicable human being (I use the term loosely) to ever inhabit the WH."

    Apparently, you are too young to remember worse presidents. Our first socialist president who admired the USSR and Joseph Stalin started us on the path that got us here. That would be the sainted, by the left, Franklin D. Roosevelt. Then there was Lyndon B. Johnson. He gave us Vietnam and 57,000 dead American men because he didn't want to be the first president to lose a war. LBJ was the most evil president in my lifetime. Then we have Bill Clinton. Other than being a sexual predator he was a helluva guy. Barack Obama, the president who hates America and Americans, is still with us.

    As a person I don't think much of President Trump but I also don't know him. But, I approve of most of what he's done as president and wish he would do more and do it faster. As far as the last election, I didn't vote for either crooked monster but think the right crooked monster got elected.
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    11-15-2019 07:36 AM
  10. Golurk's Avatar
    So sad that you find this funny. Certainly doesn't reflect well on you. Are you really happy to have this clown represent our country?
    You know, the Democrats aren’t going to win the 2020 election by insulting everyone who supported Trump in 2016.

    In order to galvanise existing support and win over voters who supported Trump in 2016, not only do the policies and politicians have to appeal, the rhetoric cannot be one of “if you’re weren’t or aren’t with us you’re racist/dumb/ignorant etc”.

    Insulting the very people who you are relying on for potential votes and support (and to win) doesn’t work. I think most Democrat politicians know this, but a large number of their supporters still don’t get it.

    The recent UK election which saw the British equivalent of the Democrats get trashed might also have a warning/point, because many of the Labour politicians had this same divisive “if you voted against us, you’re stupid” rhetoric and not only failed to win more support, but lost a significant part of their traditional base as well.

    BTW: I’m not a Trump supporter or hater, before anyone accuses me of bias.
    12-22-2019 05:30 AM

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