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  1. Javier P's Avatar
    You mention "free speech spaces" at universities. Shouldn't whole campus have free speech LOL
    A quick comment about that last tweet that I commented where Muslims were blamed for the Australian fires.

    The two adolescents mentioned in that hateful thread had their names and pictures posted. They were arrested in Parramatta/Australia after some fireworks that they were playing with set some grass on fire in a park. The fire was quickly contained and no big damage was done.

    I have no words for people that try to push their hateful and disgusting agenda using such a terrible tragedy as the Australian fires.

    All this information can be easily found, including the police report. I'd recommend you to filter and investigate your information a bit more, for your own peace of mind and for the kind of misinformation that you share.
    01-16-2020 02:12 PM
  2. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Apparently I misunderstood what you were trying to get it. So be it. I will address this, though:

    About healthcare. You say that it's a service and not a right, that's fine, that's your ideological/political point of view. In another place that could make for a good discussion between people with different opinions, like me, but that's not the point. Unless you agree with the OP that public health is a socialist/communist free crap your personal opinion is not related with what I said and even less with the actual and historical facts that I mentioned.
    It is not an ideological opinion. It is a fact that healthcare is a service. Unless you are saying that people are able to get treatments and prescriptions somehow WITHOUT employing the services of others?

    Believing that healthcare services should be a right, or taxpayer funded, that would be an ideological opinion. You talked about the conservatives trying to change definitions, but guess what is happening when people call services like healthcare a "right." Don't get me wrong, I'm not against some forms of government assistance and rules like how you can't be turned away from the ER for emergency issues (the problem of people going to the ER for non-emergent issues is another story). But I'm not so confused as to consider it a right by any definition.

    Most of the redefining of terms seems to come from our political left. Another popular example is their vague made up definition of an "assault weapon." I'm now often seeing that further bastardized into "assault rifles," which is an already existing term with an already established legal definition. Assault weapons are basically defined as a scary looking gun. If you don't believe me, I can point you to some examples of what is and isn't one. An assault rifle is a military rifle with full auto fire capabilities.
    01-16-2020 05:26 PM
  3. Javier P's Avatar
    Apparently I misunderstood what you were trying to get it. So be it. I will address this, though:



    It is not an ideological opinion. It is a fact that healthcare is a service. Unless you are saying that people are able to get treatments and prescriptions somehow WITHOUT employing the services of others?

    Believing that healthcare services should be a right, or taxpayer funded, that would be an ideological opinion. You talked about the conservatives trying to change definitions, but guess what is happening when people call services like healthcare a "right." Don't get me wrong, I'm not against some forms of government assistance and rules like how you can't be turned away from the ER for emergency issues (the problem of people going to the ER for non-emergent issues is another story). But I'm not so confused as to consider it a right by any definition.

    Most of the redefining of terms seems to come from our political left. Another popular example is their vague made up definition of an "assault weapon." I'm now often seeing that further bastardized into "assault rifles," which is an already existing term with an already established legal definition. Assault weapons are basically defined as a scary looking gun. If you don't believe me, I can point you to some examples of what is and isn't one. An assault rifle is a military rifle with full auto fire capabilities.
    Defining the healthcare as a right is related to my first post that you quoted. There, answering to the OP claims, I pointed out that in many countries public healthcare is a constitutional right, with no distinction between right and left ideology, which is a fact. The discussion about if this public service should be cancelled or maintained is a different one, mostly political, that maybe we could open in a different place. So my original point was that the public healthcare services were a constitutional right and not a socialist free crap as stated on the OP.

    About the guns. To be honest that's not a discussion that I want to have here, sorry. Since you didn't mention what I said on my reply I would assume that you agree with me.
    01-16-2020 05:50 PM
  4. Golurk's Avatar
    Well, here in the UK the NHS is far from perfect but from what you guys are saying it’s much better than the US system. The basic principle is great...free healthcare for all British citizens. It is expensive...around $170 billion was spent on the NHS last year by the UK. It also needs to address issues, such as health tourism (non UK citizens getting free healthcare then not paying), increasingly long waiting times, high prices for drugs from pharmaceutical companies, political correctness interfering with doctors etc. But it is still brilliant and one of the few things that all British people truly like.

    I understand that guns is a very touchy subject in the US. Some would say it’s part of your culture. I’m not advocating for a complete ban on private ownership of firearms, but when you have a horrifyingly high-count of school-shootings and innocent kids being gunned down, how does that not make even the NRA lobbyists feel that something should be done. Do 2nd Amendment ‘rights’ trump kids’ rights to not be shot or fear a school shooting?

    I personally doubt its what the great American leaders of old, such as Washington and Jefferson, had in mind when they came up with this. It was a necessary measure in a time where the US had no army, so Americans had to arm themselves in order to fight the British. But now that the USA has the best military the world has ever seen? I’d like to see an NRA supporter or lobbyist explain to parents of kids who’ve experienced school shootings (or god forbid, worse) why exactly the right to own a gun matters so much. And that’s before we get to how easy it is to buy one.
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    02-20-2020 06:25 AM
  5. methodman89's Avatar
    Not disagreeing or agreeing, but failing to mention the Access to Emergency Care legislation, nationally, is relevant.
    No one in the US is denied lifesaving care, immediately, regardless of ability to pay.
    Follow up and primary care is a different story.
    02-20-2020 07:20 AM
  6. Mooncatt's Avatar
    ...free healthcare for all British citizens. It is expensive...
    If it's free, how is it expensive? That's one of the main arguments against it here in the U.S. Our political left is trying to make us think it's free, as if doctors would provide services at no cost. They avoid connecting the dots that it is not free, but in fact paid for at what would be a great taxpayer expense. If the general public knew how much their taxes would go up, they would be running those politicians out on a rail. Heck, the reason it's so expensive now is due to over-use of the system (I.e. people going to the doc for every little sniffle, and over proscribed antibiotics), and lack of personal responsibility of one's own health.

    I’m not advocating for a complete ban on private ownership of firearms, but when you have a horrifyingly high-count of school-shootings and innocent kids being gunned down, how does that not make even the NRA lobbyists feel that something should be done. Do 2nd Amendment ‘rights’ trump kids’ rights to not be shot or fear a school shooting?
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    The sign on the left is the current policy in most places around the country. Coincidently, that is also where mass shootings happen. That sign may as well be fish in a barrel, as that's what mass shooters want. The one on the right is what we need. We hear a lot about mass shootings, but mass shootings stopped by armed citizens are not mentioned much in the mainstream media. They will talk about a mass shooting for weeks and advocate greater gun control. A foiled mass shooting thanks to an armed citizen will be lucky to get a mention in the news ticker at the bottom of the screen and no call for gun safety education.
    02-20-2020 12:31 PM
  7. Golurk's Avatar
    If it's free, how is it expensive? That's one of the main arguments against it here in the U.S. Our political left is trying to make us think it's free, as if doctors would provide services at no cost. They avoid connecting the dots that it is not free, but in fact paid for at what would be a great taxpayer expense. If the general public knew how much their taxes would go up, they would be running those politicians out on a rail. Heck, the reason it's so expensive now is due to over-use of the system (I.e. people going to the doc for every little sniffle, and over proscribed antibiotics), and lack of personal responsibility of one's own health.


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    The sign on the left is the current policy in most places around the country. Coincidently, that is also where mass shootings happen. That sign may as well be fish in a barrel, as that's what mass shooters want. The one on the right is what we need. We hear a lot about mass shootings, but mass shootings stopped by armed citizens are not mentioned much in the mainstream media. They will talk about a mass shooting for weeks and advocate greater gun control. A foiled mass shooting thanks to an armed citizen will be lucky to get a mention in the news ticker at the bottom of the screen and no call for gun safety education.
    1. Yes, the NHS is indirectly taxpayer-funded, but its basic principle still stands and is very appealing. The US healthcare isn’t very bad, as @methodman89 points out...but if we’re going to get into how it can be funded without placing too much of a burden on the taxpayer, look no further than Silicon Valley, because comparing some of those companies’ profits and federal taxes is shocking. But that’s not my point...my point was that having a healthcare system similar to the NHS might not be a bad idea.

    2. Why should staff need to be trained and heavily armed? A school where teachers walk around with guns will not make students feel like it is a safe environment. Teachers would probably object to also having to be armed security guards as well. You do make a valid point there though.

    However, my core point that more checks to prevent the wrong people getting their hands on firearms and doing this sort of abhorrent acts wouldn’t go amiss still stands. More checks and restrictions on gun usage and acquisition of firearms would help prevent the violence and reduce the need for such drastic and child-unfriendly measures. Or why not have both (I recognise this is impractical but I want to know what you think)?

    To give you an extreme example, here in the UK, acquiring a gun is very hard, and using it is also very hard due to a near-blanket ban on handguns. There have also been no school shootings in the past 23 years (let’s hope it stays that way). In the USA, there have been 45 school shootings in 2019-20 alone.

    Given that the NRA members and their supporters will make sure that such a ban never even happens, why is it that they can’t meet somewhere in the middle? Handing out more guns isn’t the answer.

    Again, with more checks, you can prevent the wrong people getting guns in the first place, keep schools as fun, kid-friendly environments and law-abiding Americans can still acquire firearms and use them at shooting ranges etc. In theory it keeps everybody happy. Yet for some reason gun lobbyists still object. I must admit it is difficult for me to understand the mind of someone who would object to more checks, which if you think about it, is on the light side of control (not that I disrespect their opinion, as long as it is valid).
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    02-20-2020 12:54 PM
  8. TgeekB's Avatar
    “Free” healthcare isn’t free, no one believes that. What we have now is a free for all with very few limits on what we do. Doctors over prescribe medications and order tests that aren’t necessary because they are afraid of being sued. The healthcare system is out of control and our outcomes are some of the worst in the world.
    A type of socialized healthcare would allow for everyone to practice preventative medicine which could cut down on acute care. Right now people wait to do anything because they can’t afford it, which means they end up in the ED and much sicker. Then they encounter a longer hospital stay. We need to become a healthier nation and focus on preventing diseases.

    As far as guns go I can’t even begin to talk about how backwards and ridiculous it is here. Arm teachers? That’s the answer? How about we become civil and care about others? That’s as far as I’ll go with that.
    02-20-2020 02:12 PM
  9. Mooncatt's Avatar
    but if we’re going to get into how it can be funded without placing too much of a burden on the taxpayer, look no further than Silicon Valley, because comparing some of those companies’ profits and federal taxes is shocking.
    Taxing businesses is taxing individuals. Taxing businesses to pay for healthcare is making individuals pay for healthcare. There is no way to tax a business without that tax coming out of the pocket of one or more individuals. I.e. Higher prices, lower wages, and/or lower investment returns.

    2. Why should staff need to be trained and heavily armed? A school where teachers walk around with guns will not make students feel like it is a safe environment. Teachers would probably object to also having to be armed security guards as well. You do make a valid point there though.

    However, my core point that more checks to prevent the wrong people getting their hands on firearms and doing this sort of abhorrent acts wouldn’t go amiss still stands. More checks and restrictions on gun usage and acquisition of firearms would help prevent the violence and reduce the need for such drastic and child-unfriendly measures. Or why not have both (I recognise this is impractical but I want to know what you think)?
    I wouldn't want to teachers to be required to be armed if they don't want to. I do support arming those that wish to be, and make sure they are trained properly. We have also had military veterans offer to volunteer as armed security.

    Given that the NRA members and their supporters will make sure that such a ban never even happens, why is it that they can’t meet somewhere in the middle? Handing out more guns isn’t the answer.
    The same could be said for the gun grabbers that want to take away all guns.

    Again, with more checks, you can prevent the wrong people getting guns in the first place... I must admit it is difficult for me to understand the mind of someone who would object to more checks, which if you think about it, is on the light side of control (not that I disrespect their opinion, as long as it is valid).
    I have a phrase: Stupid people will do stupid things no matter what regulations you put in place. If guns were banned all together, illegal guns would remain. If you somehow got rid of those too (doubtful), then those people would find other ways of committing mass violence. The only way you could make a school safe would be to basically make it into a prison, with only tightly secured gates leading in and out.

    As a side note, the number of school shootings here is actually often over stated.

    https://mises.org/power-market/it-tu...astly-inflated

    The numbers tend to include shootings that happen near the school, not just ones that happened on school property or even directed at students or faculty. Actual violence against students and faculty is an issue, but not as big as the media would have us believe. Of those that are pertinent to this discussion, the problem is not guns, but broken families, bullies, and such that lead kids to do these things to begin with. That's where we need to address the problem, but that's a whole issue unto itself: Parents stripped of their ability to discipline as they see fit, for fear of having their kids taken by the government, leading kids to think they can get away with literal murder.
    02-20-2020 08:35 PM
  10. Golurk's Avatar
    Taxing businesses is taxing individuals. Taxing businesses to pay for healthcare is making individuals pay for healthcare. There is no way to tax a business without that tax coming out of the pocket of one or more individuals. I.e. Higher prices, lower wages, and/or lower investment returns.


    I wouldn't want to teachers to be required to be armed if they don't want to. I do support arming those that wish to be, and make sure they are trained properly. We have also had military veterans offer to volunteer as armed security.


    The same could be said for the gun grabbers that want to take away all guns.



    I have a phrase: Stupid people will do stupid things no matter what regulations you put in place. If guns were banned all together, illegal guns would remain. If you somehow got rid of those too (doubtful), then those people would find other ways of committing mass violence. The only way you could make a school safe would be to basically make it into a prison, with only tightly secured gates leading in and out.

    As a side note, the number of school shootings here is actually often over stated.

    https://mises.org/power-market/it-tu...astly-inflated

    The numbers tend to include shootings that happen near the school, not just ones that happened on school property or even directed at students or faculty. Actual violence against students and faculty is an issue, but not as big as the media would have us believe. Of those that are pertinent to this discussion, the problem is not guns, but broken families, bullies, and such that lead kids to do these things to begin with. That's where we need to address the problem, but that's a whole issue unto itself: Parents stripped of their ability to discipline as they see fit, for fear of having their kids taken by the government, leading kids to think they can get away with literal murder.
    I quoted the number ‘45’ for 2019-20...it’s a far cry from the exaggerated 240 in the link. I’m not saying that the problem is solely guns...but you have to admit that it is part of the problem. More checks and restrictions won’t prevent all shootings, nobody is suggesting that, but it will help to prevent some, and that is a good thing. Why would people bother going through the hassle of acquiring a a gun illegally when they can easily buy one legally? Same with restrictions, although with the banning of fully-automatic weapons things are getting better. I can understand handguns and hunting rifles. But no private US citizen needs or should have a fully automatic military-grade assault rifle. That’s unreasonable.

    Back to healthcare...taxing businesses may mean indirectly taxing individuals, but the principle of the NHS, again, is more appealing. If you pay slightly higher taxes to begin with, you don’t have to go through all the hassle of having to pay for healthcare when you need it, because you already have. And since the payment via taxes is spread out, nobody is going to have the unpleasant surprise of having to foot a $2000 bill after surgery which they can’t afford.

    It’s more sustainable. For example, if a company makes $100 million in profits (not costs) and has to give up another $5 million to pay for the state healthcare, that shouldn’t be harming individuals financially, except for the owner of that company who still has $95 million. On a huge scale this is Facebook, Apple etc.
    02-21-2020 08:59 AM
  11. methodman89's Avatar
    @Golurk
    'Same with restrictions, although with the banning of fully-automatic weapons things are getting better. I can understand handguns and hunting rifles. But no private US citizen needs or should have a fully automatic military-grade assault rifle.'
    What are you referring to? Where can you get any gun that shoots more than 1 round with a pull of the trigger, except to go through an extensive federal background check, get a tax stamp, spend about 25k, and your name gets engraved on it. New ones haven't been allowed for since 86 (Pres Reagan) . The few around are heavily regulated and expensive.
    02-21-2020 09:08 AM
  12. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Part of the gun debate problem here is the gun grabbers' redefining the terms. They equate a semi-automatic to a fully automatic gun (already banned to the general public) as if just as powerful. An "assault weapon" is defined more by looks than by firepower. They use the term "assault rifle" to describe something like an AR-15 (a semi-automatic rifle), even though that term specifically applies to military rifles capable of automatic fire.

    We could get so much more accomplished if people would just be honest with what they are talking about.
    02-21-2020 11:34 AM
  13. Golurk's Avatar

    We could get so much more accomplished if people would just be honest with what they are talking about.
    I agree with you on that one, but also if people on both sides accepted that a compromise is the only solution ever to be found. The ‘gun grabbers’ aren’t trying to stop gun ownership by American citizens. The ‘gun-toting NRA crazies’ don’t want school shootings. They don’t have conflicting interests, but the ways they try to solve the problem are (conflicting).

    Unfortunately, I don’t see this issue being resolved anytime soon.
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    02-21-2020 01:17 PM
  14. methodman89's Avatar
    @milleniumdroid
    "And the final thing is younger people who want "free stuff" from the government."
    I not only agree, but watched it as my sons acquaintances show this behavior.
    When I b**ch about it though , I use "taxpayer" along with government.
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    02-22-2020 08:27 AM
  15. milleniumdroid's Avatar
    AGREED! And those same free-stuff people (aka entitled snowflakes) also are the ones of the type that would gladly throw hot coffee at a conservative libertarian like Kaitlin Bennet... When will people learn to have a political debate without violence, and when will they learn that NOTHING IS FREE AND YOU HAVE TO EARN IT YOURSELF!
    02-22-2020 03:16 PM
  16. TgeekB's Avatar
    AGREED! And those same free-stuff people (aka entitled snowflakes) also are the ones of the type that would gladly throw hot coffee at a conservative libertarian like Kaitlin Bennet... When will people learn to have a political debate without violence, and when will they learn that NOTHING IS FREE AND YOU HAVE TO EARN IT YOURSELF!
    We will never get anywhere if the childish name calling continues. Putting everyone in a box, as if everyone is exactly the same, is non-sensible. The only way our species will advance is by working together, talking to each other with respect and using our intelligence to work through problems.
    02-22-2020 04:28 PM
  17. Javier P's Avatar
    AGREED! And those same free-stuff people (aka entitled snowflakes) also are the ones of the type that would gladly throw hot coffee at a conservative libertarian like Kaitlin Bennet... When will people learn to have a political debate without violence, and when will they learn that NOTHING IS FREE AND YOU HAVE TO EARN IT YOURSELF!
    And here you are again complaining about political violence. The first time you did it I questioned all your claims and your only reply was a link to a Twitter account filled with lies, racism and crazy conspiracy theories. Now you are back with generic insults, hot coffee and more bigoted references.

    You ignored the facts and questions that I posted above but most of them still apply. It's not a political debate and political or ideological differences are not the issue. Please, read again. You keep posting references to outlets, accounts and people that freely spread lies, anti-science lunacy and every kind of bigotry. This crap can't be considered as political options no matter how hard you try to paint them as political debate. They are dangerous attempts to normalise a supremacist agenda.


    You say that those "entitled snowflakes" should earn what they get in life. I don't like generalising but maybe they were doing just that. Maybe throwing toilet paper and water (yes, again, official statements clearly say that the incident was grossly exaggerated) was their way to stand against hateful speech. Who knows, maybe that's their way to say that bigotry, exclusion and lunacy shouldn't be normalised. Maybe their future depends on that.

    Oh, and talking about exclusion. It always amazes me how much the words 'Liberty' and 'Freedom' are used by this type of "conservative" or "libertarian" people that you keep mentioning. They are 'anti' way too many things for such self-nominated freedom paladins. Anti gays, Muslims, immigrants, democracy, universal suffrage, abortion, Holocaust, American history, vaccines, climate change ... It looks like freedom doesn't count for people or ideas that don't fit their bigoted or religious beliefs, don't you think?

    Just a personal question. Do you agree with the ideas of the people you keep linking and commenting about here?
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    02-23-2020 03:54 PM
  18. TgeekB's Avatar
    He sounds like someone who is just repeating what his parents, Fox News and social media outlets he follows say. I doubt he has any knowledge or experience on the subjects he speaks about. He also sounds extremely young.
    02-23-2020 04:04 PM
  19. gendo667's Avatar
    He sounds like someone who is just repeating what his parents, Fox News and social media outlets he follows say. I doubt he has any knowledge or experience on the subjects he speaks about. He also sounds extremely young.
    He is extremely young.
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    02-24-2020 04:48 AM
  20. TgeekB's Avatar
    He is extremely young.
    Makes sense.
    02-24-2020 04:55 AM
  21. Golurk's Avatar
    He sounds like someone who is just repeating what his parents, Fox News and social media outlets he follows say. I doubt he has any knowledge or experience on the subjects he speaks about. He also sounds extremely young.
    Ok, guys, come on now. Let’s stick by our own principles, ok? Condescension is precisely one of the things that people hate and it doesn’t help with the debate. And we also have to be careful about what we label as ‘hate speech’, because it is used by some to shut down free speech. For example, people are perfectly entitled to being anti-immigrant. You and I may disagree with them, but it is their opinion and it is to be respected. As long as it doesn’t descend into criminal hate speech, encouraging violence and racism etc.

    And Fox News...well, it makes me glad we have the BBC in the UK, for all of its flaws. It may be outrageously right-wing, but there are equivalents on the left as well, such as MSNBC and HuffPost.

    At the end of the day, we are just a bunch of people attempting (I say attempting) to have a civilised debate on US politics, liberals vs conservatives etc. We’re not political analysts, experts or journalists. So we should try not dismiss others’ opinions immediately.

    At the same time, twitter accounts posting things such as conspiracy theories (recently there have been some accusing China of using the Coronavirus as a bio-weapon, which is nonsense) and anti-vax propaganda (because vaccinations are safe, beneficial and proven to be good by all evidence) are dangerous and shouldn’t be used as sources, because what they post about is not only harmful but also 100% untrue. Those are different from controversial or disagreeable opinions.

    Phew...ok, my angry lecture is over.
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    02-24-2020 12:21 PM
  22. Javier P's Avatar
    Ok, guys, come on now. Let’s stick by our own principles, ok? Condescension is precisely one of the things that people hate and it doesn’t help with the debate. And we also have to be careful about what we label as ‘hate speech’, because it is used by some to shut down free speech. For example, people are perfectly entitled to being anti-immigrant. You and I may disagree with them, but it is their opinion and it is to be respected. As long as it doesn’t descend into criminal hate speech, encouraging violence and racism etc.

    And Fox News...well, it makes me glad we have the BBC in the UK, for all of its flaws. It may be outrageously right-wing, but there are equivalents on the left as well, such as MSNBC and HuffPost.

    At the end of the day, we are just a bunch of people attempting (I say attempting) to have a civilised debate on US politics, liberals vs conservatives etc. We’re not political analysts, experts or journalists. So we should try not dismiss others’ opinions immediately.

    At the same time, twitter accounts posting things such as conspiracy theories (recently there have been some accusing China of using the Coronavirus as a bio-weapon, which is nonsense) and anti-vax propaganda (because vaccinations are safe, beneficial and proven to be good by all evidence) are dangerous and shouldn’t be used as sources, because what they post about is not only harmful but also 100% untrue. Those are different from controversial or disagreeable opinions.

    Phew...ok, my angry lecture is over.
    Agreed, on all accounts. You should have seen me when I felt that anyone was being condescending because my age. Grrrrr, I got really furious. Question my points not how old I am Never abandoned a dialectic fight because of that though and, more important, never lost the humility to recognise when I was wrong.

    And about immigration. Oh boy, this is probably one of the biggest problems the so called first world countries need to face, for good. Very urgent, very complex and there isn't an easy or perfect solution. We'll all need good politicians from every side of the spectrum that can agree on long lasting compromises, and even after that they will need to be fine tuned as the situation changes. Very, very difficult task. Anyone of us have our own ideas about this issue but I hope that most of us could agree that racism and any kind of supremacism should be banned from the negotiation table.
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    02-24-2020 01:47 PM
  23. milleniumdroid's Avatar
    He is extremely young.
    Turning 20 next month to be exact
    02-24-2020 03:41 PM
  24. TgeekB's Avatar
    Ok, guys, come on now. Let’s stick by our own principles, ok? Condescension is precisely one of the things that people hate and it doesn’t help with the debate. And we also have to be careful about what we label as ‘hate speech’, because it is used by some to shut down free speech. For example, people are perfectly entitled to being anti-immigrant. You and I may disagree with them, but it is their opinion and it is to be respected. As long as it doesn’t descend into criminal hate speech, encouraging violence and racism etc.

    And Fox News...well, it makes me glad we have the BBC in the UK, for all of its flaws. It may be outrageously right-wing, but there are equivalents on the left as well, such as MSNBC and HuffPost.

    At the end of the day, we are just a bunch of people attempting (I say attempting) to have a civilised debate on US politics, liberals vs conservatives etc. We’re not political analysts, experts or journalists. So we should try not dismiss others’ opinions immediately.

    At the same time, twitter accounts posting things such as conspiracy theories (recently there have been some accusing China of using the Coronavirus as a bio-weapon, which is nonsense) and anti-vax propaganda (because vaccinations are safe, beneficial and proven to be good by all evidence) are dangerous and shouldn’t be used as sources, because what they post about is not only harmful but also 100% untrue. Those are different from controversial or disagreeable opinions.

    Phew...ok, my angry lecture is over.
    If I sounded angry I apologize, I am far from it. I was giving my opinion and would have said so if he was that far to the left. What I have learned from life is is we need to move more towards the middle, towards each other rather than run to one side or the other. Our current government is an example of how not to be. I only hope we begin to work on dropping the name calling, separation and hate.
    As far as age and social media I stick by my words. Young people, without the experience life gives you, believe everything they read (right or left) on social media. Look at what Russia and others are doing (proven) to negatively influence people and create separation. Learn, think for yourself, get out and meet people different from you. That is the only way we will advance in a positive manner.
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    02-24-2020 04:00 PM
  25. Javier P's Avatar
    Turning 20 next month to be exact
    Cool! And do you prefer that we consider this fact when we post any reply to your comments or not? You know that this is a two-way street situation, right?
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    02-24-2020 05:38 PM
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