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11-07-2014 10:05 AM
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  1. Moshe Barash's Avatar
    I just got a OTA update. My question is that since I was rooted (updating unrooted it) and Knox was tripped, how and why did I get the update?
    Also what was changed in the update, besides for losing root access I have not noticed any changes. I also had super su in OTA survival mode.
    10-18-2014 10:16 PM
  2. Bosbouer's Avatar
    It is a good habit to make a screenshot of the device details page as a reference. Makes it easy to compare what was changed.

    More than passing strange that you got OTA if you were rooted. This side of the pond Samsung and the ISP that I'm on does not provide OTAs to rooted devices.
    10-18-2014 11:00 PM
  3. Moshe Barash's Avatar
    Here is the screenshot.
    Attached Thumbnails New update-1413696373541.jpg  
    10-19-2014 12:27 AM
  4. Moshe Barash's Avatar
    After I rooted my tablet whenever I clicked on the OTA update checker it said that I could not get updates because I modified my tablet. When I booted my tablet yesterday I got a notification about the update and I told it to download. When I tried to install it, it failed so I had to install it using samsung kies 3 via my windows 7 PC.
    10-19-2014 12:30 AM
  5. Bosbouer's Avatar
    How does that compare to before the update?

    I use the screenshot "library" to verify what changes took place with updates and on which build I'm on my rooted devices.
    10-19-2014 01:41 AM
  6. Moshe Barash's Avatar
    I do not have a "before screenshot".
    10-19-2014 01:59 AM
  7. dianehelen's Avatar
    Was that the little 103mb update that was out a bit ago? I'm not rooted (yet, but any day now) and there was a small update about a month ago. Wonder if that bit passed the rooting because it was not a major update? But it unrooted you? Huh.
    10-19-2014 07:36 AM
  8. Moshe Barash's Avatar
    Was that the little 103mb update that was out a bit ago? I'm not rooted (yet, but any day now) and there was a small update about a month ago. Wonder if that bit passed the rooting because it was not a major update? But it unrooted you? Huh.
    Yeah, I got the 103mb warning.
    10-19-2014 08:38 AM
  9. dianehelen's Avatar
    Still can't see what that update did or affected.
    10-19-2014 09:40 AM
  10. Dale_M's Avatar
    Here is the screenshot.
    Seems to be the 103mb (bug fix) update....

    Screen shot is same as mine after my update about a month ago...

    Dale
    10-19-2014 10:42 AM
  11. Moshe Barash's Avatar
    Yeah, but how did I get the update since I was rooted.
    10-19-2014 01:20 PM
  12. Raymond Hubbard's Avatar
    What country are you in? The USA got an update several weeks ago and not seem to change much of anything other a few users reported chromecast was fixed.
    10-19-2014 05:16 PM
  13. Moshe Barash's Avatar
    What country are you in? The USA got an update several weeks ago and not seem to change much of anything other a few users reported chromecast was fixed.
    I am in the USA, and I do not have or use chromecast.
    10-19-2014 08:41 PM
  14. Bosbouer's Avatar
    Yeah, but how did I get the update since I was rooted.
    It puzzles me as well. On my two rooted devices when I try the OTA update, the ISP advises that my "Your device has been modified Software updates are not available". On the SM-P605 which is stock the last update was early in September about 180 Mb to JB .4.3.(UI improvement ans security improvements according to the update notice) If you do figure out how you by-passed OTA to allow the update through, I'd be very interested in the method.
    10-20-2014 03:35 AM
  15. Moshe Barash's Avatar
    I have decided to root my tablet again. This makes it 3 times that I have rooted it!
    10-21-2014 07:12 PM
  16. Moshe Barash's Avatar
    I am now rooted again!
    10-22-2014 02:40 AM
  17. dianehelen's Avatar
    I am now rooted again!
    You make it sound so easy, I really wanna try, just have to get passed the fear. The fear of 5 minutes after I do it, something unrelated will break and my warranty is gone. Target date to do it is 11/20 when warranty is gone anyway.

    Do you back up everything before you do this, or just trust that your data, pics, etc will be ok?
    10-22-2014 07:21 AM
  18. Moshe Barash's Avatar
    You make it sound so easy, I really wanna try, just have to get passed the fear. The fear of 5 minutes after I do it, something unrelated will break and my warranty is gone. Target date to do it is 11/20 when warranty is gone anyway.

    Do you back up everything before you do this, or just trust that your data, pics, etc will be ok?
    I make sure to back everything up, however I am not at all worried about losing my data, I just belive that it is better to be safe than sorry.
    I have never had anything break by the way.
    10-22-2014 03:27 PM
  19. sure why not's Avatar
    Do you back up everything before you do this, or just trust that your data, pics, etc will be ok?
    Nothing to be afraid of.
    Rooting just allows you access to modify root directories of the device.
    It is that you can now make a mess of the operating system if you go in and play around with it.
    Just be SURE to flash the correct file for your device. (600, 601, 605)
    How to Root Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) - Android Central

    What Is A Nandroid Backup and How Exactly Does It Work?

    The first thing you should do once rooted is to mirror the entire system (Nandroid)
    This allows you to recover to a image of your device just as it was, media, settings, everything.

    Backup, backup, backup....
    It's been the same since personal computers came on the scene in the '80's
    This process is essentially the same as flashing the BIOS on a PC.

    Otherwise your only choice is a factory reset if things go wrong.

    I rooted both my Android devices within hours of owning them.
    My iPhones before that.
    It's never been a problem.
    10-23-2014 04:51 AM
  20. dianehelen's Avatar
    Oh ya, I know what rooting is and does, I've rooted linux tablets and my old palm pre and I helped my son root/jailbreak his iphone. I'm not concerned about the rooting perse having a problem, just the murphy's law of some unrelated need for the warranty, after it's voided. And with this tablet being so expensive, I've hesitated taking the chance before the warranty is done. But I'm getting close ;-)

    I'm about at the tipping point of annoyance of seeing the Samsung app update notice at least a few times a day, that I just keep X'ing to close.
    10-23-2014 06:02 AM
  21. sure why not's Avatar
    Sorry.
    It seemed like you had some basic questions about backing up and a fear that it would cause the tablet to break.

    Maybe I'm just reckless?
    I certainly disabled a whole bunch of bloatware and allowed many things in multiwindow, fixed the SD card R/W, etc...
    10-23-2014 06:13 AM
  22. dianehelen's Avatar
    not a problem :-). Too much info is always better then not enough. I've rooted my S4 because if I needed it replaced, I'd just use my insurance and pay the deductible. But I never got the sq trade warranty on the tablet, so I'd have to pay the whole replacement cost. But like I said, I'm getting closer every day. The lack of being able to add any app to multi window also frustrates me
    10-23-2014 08:52 AM
  23. Dale_M's Avatar
    Quick superficial read seems to say you have to be "rooted" to use 'Online Nandroid'.....How does that help us that want "full" system backup prior to rooting....

    Dale
    10-23-2014 11:10 AM
  24. dianehelen's Avatar
    Quick superficial read seems to say you have to be "rooted" to use 'Online Nandroid'.....How does that help us that want "full" system backup prior to rooting....

    Dale
    I don't think you can. In order to do a backup of this level you need root super user access/permissions to be able to have control of all apps, systems, data and R/W access
    10-23-2014 01:24 PM
  25. sure why not's Avatar
    Quick superficial read seems to say you have to be "rooted" to use 'Online Nandroid'.....How does that help us that want "full" system backup prior to rooting....
    It doesn't.
    AFAICT, it is just a way to mirror your device into the cloud.

    And that is another one of the advantages of rooting.
    Being able to recover the entire device to where you had it, rather than factory reset.

    The update has been sitting on my tablet for a while now.
    I'm waiting to hear what it does and what (if any) bugs it has before I choose to install.
    10-24-2014 03:54 AM
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