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  1. Aquila's Avatar
    There can be no doubt that in terms of hardware technology, Android OEMs are years ahead of Apple today. However, Android is not yet capitalizing on that hardware advantage and thus it can appear too similar in end user experience because of the ease of integration that Apple faces versus the multitude of devices that Android must support under it's current business model. If Android OEMs could make the most effective use of even half of their hardware advantages, Apple would easily be left in the dust.
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    02-14-2013 11:41 PM
  2. badbrad17's Avatar
    @badbrad17: Wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Guess what, no device is perfect. Every single thing has flaws. If you want to act like the Note II has no flaws, then by all means, go ahead. Just don't act like a stuck up snob. Seems like you have some first world problems if you have to defend every little flaw so that your device seems perfect.

    @jrog28: Seems like you need to get over yourself and read the entire discussion. If you would have, you would have noticed I do have PowerAmp. Apparently reading is overrated.

    I hope you both realize this is a thread about what another device does better than the Note 2. If it hurts your ego that the Note II isn't perfect, then you might not want to read this thread. You may not recover.



    If you're trying to replicate, note that it only happens when the device is idle. I've yet to see it happen when I'm actively using the device.
    I'm just trying to set realistic standards for what is a real issue and what is not. Your problem is a 12 on a scale of 100 yet you are making it seem like it is a huge deal. I am more than willing to throw the Note 2 under the bus for real problems but this skipping issue can be attributed to pretty much every device you try to Google. Try it. I understand that no device is perfect, that was why I made the comment. And for what it's worth I have a Nexus 4.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
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    02-15-2013 01:37 AM
  3. Eclipse2K's Avatar
    I'm just trying to set realistic standards for what is a real issue and what is not. Your problem is a 12 on a scale of 100 yet you are making it seem like it is a huge deal. I am more than willing to throw the Note 2 under the bus for real problems but this skipping issue can be attributed to pretty much every device you try to Google. Try it. I understand that no device is perfect, that was why I made the comment. And for what it's worth I have a Nexus 4.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    True but it's frustrating to him because he listen to music all day. Skipping g would drive me nuts and each person considers certain issues on different scales. For him this may be a huge deal but for you it may be a small deal.

    Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk 2
    02-15-2013 04:58 AM
  4. nrm5110's Avatar
    If its something that only happens every once in a while and under a load it sounds like the gov on the CPU when screen is off it scales back to the min it needs but when it gets a load suddenly the gov may not be able to scale up fast enough this is common of ondemand because it slowly scales up as it sees its not meeting demand.

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    02-15-2013 07:35 AM
  5. tirith's Avatar
    I was only asking if they were rooted, trying to rule out possibilities.

    I've never encountered the problem myself, although I solely use poweramp anymore.



    Swyped from my Galaxy Note II on the Now Network
    02-15-2013 08:36 AM
  6. anon(5630457)'s Avatar
    There is just no comparison. Apple phones don't keep up with technology. When I bought my Note 2, the Sprint salesman asked me if I wanted the iPhone 5. I laughed at him.

    Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 2.
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    02-15-2013 10:42 AM
  7. tirith's Avatar
    There is just no comparison. Apple phones don't keep up with technology. When I bought my Note 2, the Sprint salesman asked me if I wanted the iPhone 5. I laughed at him.

    Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 2.
    Same thing here... kinda ticked me off, but it was bb not Sprint store. I was like "if I wanted a half par phone, I'd stay with the piece I have"

    Swyped from my Galaxy Note II on the Now Network
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    02-15-2013 12:41 PM
  8. donec's Avatar
    The discussion about getting the skipping fixed should be moved to it's own thread and let this one get back to. What can the new iphone 5 do better than the Note 2?
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    02-15-2013 04:56 PM
  9. alamarco's Avatar
    I believe that it is not accurate to imply that anything requiring root, etc. is not a relevant fix.
    Rooting is not a relevant fix and it has nothing to do with the Android security or the iPhone security. It's about voiding your warranty. You should not have to void your warranty in order to have a properly working device. It's as simple as that. If you could keep your phone under warranty while rooting then sure, it would be a good fix. That will never happen though due to the nature of rooting the issues that can arise if it goes wrong.

    Also, while most of us forum goers usually have the capacity to root, there are a ton of people who do not. Not everyone is computer literate as I'm sure you've experienced quite a few. How are these users going to get the fix if they cannot root due to the inability to do so? It's a not a proper fix if most of your user base can't fix it.

    I'm just trying to set realistic standards for what is a real issue and what is not. Your problem is a 12 on a scale of 100 yet you are making it seem like it is a huge deal. I am more than willing to throw the Note 2 under the bus for real problems but this skipping issue can be attributed to pretty much every device you try to Google. Try it. I understand that no device is perfect, that was why I made the comment. And for what it's worth I have a Nexus 4.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    Realistic standard? I understand everyone has different priorities, but for most people, an audio issue is not a 12 on a scale of 100. You're just being stubborn in trying to defend the Note II. If audio was hardly used, then most devices wouldn't come with headphones. I understand some carriers don't provide headphones, but that's just the carrier being greedy. Samsung provides official headphones for a reason.

    As for other devices experiencing the same issue, it's an Android issue. Of course other Android devices will experience the same issue. I stated the iPhone doesn't, and if you Google and replace "android audio skip" with "iphone audio skip" you don't find the same issue. You find a completely unrelated issue in which tracks would skip in a playlist, not the audio skipping. This issue also seems to stem from iTunes converting high bitrates to 128 kbps, which wouldn't be the iPhone itself.

    Hence, why I said the iPhone 5 plays music better than the Note II.

    True but it's frustrating to him because he listen to music all day. Skipping g would drive me nuts and each person considers certain issues on different scales. For him this may be a huge deal but for you it may be a small deal.
    Precisely. Well put.

    If its something that only happens every once in a while and under a load it sounds like the gov on the CPU when screen is off it scales back to the min it needs but when it gets a load suddenly the gov may not be able to scale up fast enough this is common of ondemand because it slowly scales up as it sees its not meeting demand.
    That's exactly what I'm thinking and unless you root, there's no fixing that. I also doubt Google will change how Android behaves anytime soon.
    02-15-2013 05:51 PM
  10. Aquila's Avatar
    The discussion about getting the skipping fixed should be moved to it's own thread and let this one get back to. What can the new iphone 5 do better than the Note 2?
    Agree 100%. Thread high-jack needs to be shipped out.
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    02-15-2013 06:48 PM
  11. friendscatdied's Avatar
    There can be no doubt that in terms of hardware technology, Android OEMs are years ahead of Apple today. However, Android is not yet capitalizing on that hardware advantage and thus it can appear too similar in end user experience because of the ease of integration that Apple faces versus the multitude of devices that Android must support under it's current business model. If Android OEMs could make the most effective use of even half of their hardware advantages, Apple would easily be left in the dust.
    I'm pretty sure the GPU in the iPhone 5 is better than even the Adreno 320 on average, and the CPU is competitive with the S4 Pro...

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    02-15-2013 07:48 PM
  12. Aquila's Avatar
    Specific to the Note 2 vs iP5 comparabilities for this thread, we're talking about a 1.6ghz Quad Core processor backed by 2gb RAM vs a 1.2ghz Dual Core processor backed by 1gb RAM. The computing possibilities in hardware are much more favorable with the Note 2, however it's not being fully utilized which is why the user experience is judged by most of the tech media to be roughly equal. Also, the iPhone 5 was a pretty huge leap over the 4S, which had a 1ghz Dual Core with only .5gb RAM.

    For several generations, Apple refused to improve their processing spec's to current industry standards, which is why I indicated 2 years behind. At current pace, a quad core 2+gb RAM iPhone is probably still a year or two away, when Samsung and LG are talking about the Octa Core chips in their near future. Other OEMs innovate hardware and Apple catches up. That's not new, it's a 3 year old trend that shows no sign of being reversed.
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    02-15-2013 08:01 PM
  13. friendscatdied's Avatar
    Specific to the Note 2 vs iP5 comparabilities for this thread, we're talking about a 1.6ghz Quad Core processor backed by 2gb RAM vs a 1.2ghz Dual Core processor backed by 1gb RAM. The computing possibilities in hardware are much more favorable with the Note 2, however it's not being fully utilized which is why the user experience is judged by most of the tech media to be roughly equal. Also, the iPhone 5 was a pretty huge leap over the 4S, which had a 1ghz Dual Core with only .5gb RAM.

    For several generations, Apple refused to improve their processing spec's to current industry standards, which is why I indicated 2 years behind. At current pace, a quad core 2+gb RAM iPhone is probably still a year or two away, when Samsung and LG are talking about the Octa Core chips in their near future. Other OEMs innovate hardware and Apple catches up. That's not new, it's a 3 year old trend that shows no sign of being reversed.
    But the Exynos 4 is based on A9 architecture while the A6 is based on A15 architecture. ARM suggests that each new generation can confer a 50% improvement in performance, presumably on average. While the iPhone 5 has less memory, resource management is completely different in iOS (e.g. you can't really multitask) so that's a functionality win for the Note 2 rather than a performance win.

    The A6's SGX543MP3 crushes the Mali-400MP. Honestly the GPU in the Note 2 is the biggest letdown relative to the previous generation but it's more than fine enough for any Android game around (for now).

    Apple kicked it into high gear with the GPUs relative to Android. This is huge since so much of iOS is GPU-accelerated and its games rely on this core advantage.

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    02-15-2013 08:27 PM
  14. Aquila's Avatar
    I can look it up later, but I think the Adreno 320 was ahead on 1080p playback, but behind on everything lower resolution if I remember the comparison correctly.
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    02-15-2013 08:30 PM
  15. badbrad17's Avatar
    True but it's frustrating to him because he listen to music all day. Skipping g would drive me nuts and each person considers certain issues on different scales. For him this may be a huge deal but for you it may be a small deal.

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    I listen to music a lot too. If it's skipping every 5 minutes then fine this is a real issue but that's not what it sounded like. If I got a minor skip every hour then I wouldn't care. You get a skip from blue tooth or wifi not being fast enough so wow... He posted that sooooo many people were having this issue and the iPhone didn't have the same problem yet when I Googled it the iPhone had the same issues, so my point was that it seemed like he was just making more of an issue than it really was.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
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    02-15-2013 09:15 PM
  16. Roflwaffle707's Avatar
    I think I'm going to switch back to a jail broken iPhone 5 until the galaxy s4 comes out. The note is too big and clunky + the camera is terrible.
    03-07-2013 08:17 AM
  17. badbrad17's Avatar
    I think I'm going to switch back to a jail broken iPhone 5 until the galaxy s4 comes out. The note is too big and clunky + the camera is terrible.
    Really? I heard the camera was pretty nice.

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    03-07-2013 09:57 AM
  18. Lodingi's Avatar
    Really? I heard the camera was pretty nice.

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    I too heard the camera was good.
    03-07-2013 10:35 AM
  19. Eclipse2K's Avatar
    I think I'm going to switch back to a jail broken iPhone 5 until the galaxy s4 comes out. The note is too big and clunky + the camera is terrible.
    The camera on the Note II is great especially for a cell phone. And the size is definitely subjective but clunky sounds like an odd way to describe it.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note II
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    03-07-2013 11:16 AM
  20. tirith's Avatar
    It's far from clunky... it's smooth, sure it's big but that's why it's the note...

    And the camera is amazing.

    ~swyped from my galaxy note 2 on the now network
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    03-07-2013 11:30 AM
  21. jlh73's Avatar
    Camera is good except in low light its not so good. Even with the low light setting. And if the flash goes off it gives the pics a blueish tint.

    Sent from my Galaxy Note II
    03-07-2013 05:17 PM
  22. tirith's Avatar
    Because the flash is an ultra bright white led, which at it's frequency, does have a blue tint naturally... same with the headlights in my car.

    I haven't had any issue with low light photos myself, it's the only way for me to get cute photos of my children... while they are sleeping...

    ~swyped from my galaxy note 2 on the now network
    03-07-2013 08:13 PM
  23. Bond32's Avatar
    Although I haven't personally used the ip5, if you consider an un rooted gn2 and stock not jail broken ip5, I really can't imagine there's anything the iPhone can do that the note 2 can't. I'm still curious. Just read through a few pages of this thread and have yet to see anything worth noting that the ip5 can do that the note 2 can't.

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    03-08-2013 10:35 AM
  24. donec's Avatar
    Although I haven't personally used the ip5, if you consider an un rooted gn2 and stock not jail broken ip5, I really can't imagine there's anything the iPhone can do that the note 2 can't. I'm still curious. Just read through a few pages of this thread and have yet to see anything worth noting that the ip5 can do that the note 2 can't.

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    I agree and I think that is the whole point of this thread. If it wasn't it should have been.
    03-08-2013 11:53 AM
  25. indysteve9's Avatar
    With the Note 2, you can snap a picture by voice command if you activate that option. Love it!!!
    03-08-2013 12:53 PM
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